Insights Into Teens: Episode 148 ”Mental Health Stigma and Teens”

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Insights Into Teens: Episode 148 “Mental Health Stigma and teens”
My intelligent and caring co-host Madison Whalen

Summary
Many of our podcasts often conclude with the suggestion to seek professional help if the techniques we discuss on the show aren’t effective for you. The actual act of getting that level of help can in itself be a challenge. There has long been a stigma surrounding mental health, both in teens and adults. Thankfully that has gotten significantly better over the years, but taking that first step to seek help is challenging and that’s what we’ll be discussing on this week’s episode of Insights Into Teens.

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https://www.destinationsforteens.com/destinations-blog/mental-health-stigma-and-teens/
https://bit.ly/3NHk46L

What is Mental Health Stigma
Sometimes, it can be difficult to spot symptoms of mental health conditions, especially in teens and young adults.
While mood changes are a characteristic of maturation and puberty, mental health disorders create invasive symptoms that interfere with your daily life.

Without proper treatment, mental health disorders can cause disabling symptoms, which can impact academics, social life, and relationships.
Mental health stigma and teens is an unhealthy combination, as fears about reaching out for help can outweigh a teen’s desire to get better.
Conditions like depression can cause you to isolate yourself from friends and loved ones, while anxiety can make it difficult to interact with others.

20% of teens and adolescents struggle with a mental health disorder.
Some of the most common mental health disorders that afflict teens include:
Depression and Major Depression Disorder
Anxiety disorders
Mood disorders
PTSD
Eating disorders

Mental health stigma and teens struggling with their emotional wellbeing can create significant barriers to recovery.
Since many mental health conditions can get worse without treatment, neglecting emotional needs can make it difficult to live a healthy life.
Struggling with depression, for instance, can lead to losing interest in hobbies and avoiding friends and family members.

Teens may also struggle with communicating their emotions, especially if intense emotions occur without a direct cause.
Other times, mental health stigma and teens experiencing anxiety can make it hard to reach out for help.
Things like expressing difficult emotions, or asking for help, can trigger anxiety symptoms, which is why it’s important to offer support to your teen if they’re struggling to find ways to cope with overwhelming or troubling emotions.

Common Types of Stigma Surrounding Adolescent Mental Health
https://www.stonewaterrecovery.com/adolescent-treatment-blog/4-common-stigmas-surrounding-adolescent-mental-health/
https://bit.ly/3wCs41Q

At the core of stigma is a sense of feeling that someone is different from you and that the difference is negative.
Common types of public mental health stigmas surrounding adolescent mental health include:

The misconception that “Teenagers Have Nothing to Be Depressed or Anxious About”
Teenagers are at a phase in life when they are discovering a lot about themselves.
While they might not have gone through a lot in life, that is not reason enough to assume that they have nothing to be depressed about.
In any case, teens have to deal with school, friendships, relationships, and even part-time jobs.
Besides, teens experience emotions more intensely than adults, making them susceptible to developing depression.

Teens with Mental Health Disorders Act a Certain Way for Attention
It can be easy to conclude that a teen is faking a mental disorder and seeking attention.
In the real sense, the mental problem may not get the kind of attention they may want.
After all, the prevalence of mental health stigmas and misconceptions among teens is less likely to make a healthy teenager pretend to have a mental disorder.

Teens with Mental Health Disorders Are Prone to Violence
It is possible for someone struggling with mental health disorders to be violent.
However, it does not mean that all of those who suffer from mental health conditions are unquestionably violent.

Teens Don’t Suffer from Mental Health Disorders, Just Moodiness.
Due to hormonal changes in adolescence, teenagers are often moody.
However, this does not mean that teenagers cannot suffer from mental health disorders.
When a teenager exhibits behaviors beyond normal teenage moodiness, it could be a sign of a mental health disorder.

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https://bricolagebehavioral.com/stifling-the-stigma-with-teen-therapy/
https://bit.ly/3wtO8Nj

How Mental Health Disorders are Treated

When you notice symptoms of a mental health disorder, early treatment is essential.
Much like a physical ailment you might suffer from the first step in the treatment process is obtaining a diagnosis, after which the focus becomes centered on developing an effective treatment plan.
Like medical conditions, it can take time to find the right combination of therapies to alleviate and reduce symptoms of a mental health condition.

There are different types of treatments to mental health disorders from counseling and behavioral therapy to prescription medication and alternative herbal approaches, it all depends on your diagnosis.
Understand that it may take a few attempts to discover which treatments work best.
Mental health disorders are usually treated with both medication and therapy.
Therapeutic techniques, like cognitive and dialectical behavioral therapy, work by helping you identify and change negative thoughts, feelings, and behaviors.

Understanding triggers is another important part of recovery.
Triggers can be people, places, or things that aggravate symptoms.
Learning how to cope with them healthily is central to mental health treatment.
Holistic therapies, like meditation and Yoga, improve mood and decrease stress, making them an excellent way to handle triggers healthily.

Stifling the Stigma with Teen Therapy

Anxiety finds all of us at some point or another.
For children and teens, this can be even more disruptive to their everyday lives.
Teens experience heightened emotions regularly throughout adolescence and while growing up.

Today more than ever before, teens are constantly surrounded by their peers whether in person or on their phones.
Socially, teens are more involved with their friends constantly through the use of the internet and social media.
This can add a lot of extra stress when it comes to fitting in during these formative years
School can provide its own host of stressors.
These include class presentations, overly long standardized tests, group projects, online zoom meetings, and so much more.

Teen Therapy as a Solution

The stigmas that surround mental illness have existed as long as anyone can remember.
However, more recent generations have been taking a stand to stamp out those stigmas in greater numbers.
Today’s teens tend to value mental well-being more than most of the generations that come before them.

More than 1 in 5 adults in the U.S. will experience mental illness.
When it comes to teens, at least 17% will experience a mental health disorder
Over 50% of all lifetime mental illnesses begin by age 14
When it comes to teens experiencing mental illness, only 50% of those diagnosed get help in the form of treatment.
So, we know that a large portion of teens are impacted by mental illness and that, from that portion, a smaller group is formally diagnosed.
Additionally, of that group, only 50% actually find help and treatment.
The question is: why are teens resistant to therapy?

Stigmas Still Exist

It turns out, despite efforts to remove stigmas around finding help for mental well-being, most teens are reluctant when it comes to treatment.
A lot of teens feel reluctant to attend therapy sessions, even when encouraged by peers or family because the understanding of therapy is still vague and stereotypical.
When most of us think of therapy, we will start to imagine a room with a long couch and an upright office chair where we will sit with someone as they ask us repeatedly “and how did that make you feel?”.
The truth is that meeting with a therapist is a vastly different experience, especially one trained to utilize up-to-date practices.
Sometimes a teens only experience comes from meeting with their school counselor.
School counselors are a great resource for teens and can provide some really informative insight to parents who may be ready to seek help but aren’t sure how to approach their parents.
That all being said, a school counselor won’t replace having a therapist to talk to on a regular basis.

Aside from stigmas surrounding seeking care, teens today may also be more open with their friends about mental health.
This can be good, but can also have some unexpected negative consequences.
On one hand, speaking about their experiences with depression and anxiety with people they feel “get it” can provide a sense of comfort and self.
On the other hand, these friends may also not be in treatment and they may feel that if their friend doesn’t “need” treatment, then they shouldn’t either.

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Ways Teens Can Ask for Mental Health Help?
https://www.talkspace.com/blog/teen-mental-health-help/
https://bit.ly/3loxiZM

When you’re a teen experiencing mental health challenges, a majority of the struggle for help is mustering the courage to actually ask for it.
Unfortunately, there’s still a lot of stigma surrounding mental illnesses, despite how common they are.
In fact, 20% of teens ages 13 through 18 have some sort of mental health condition.
That’s one in five teens!
Still, the ever-present stigma can make it harder to ask for help or tell somebody about what you’re going through, because you might feel embarrassed or scared of what people might think of you.

However, mental health conditions — and life in general — are tricky.
When we’re struggling, it can be really hard to overcome obstacles by ourselves.
Sometimes, we need a little extra help to get by and live our best lives.
Here are some tips for teens seeking help with mental health.

Reach out to a trusted adult
I know it’s scary, but one of the best things you can do is to tell an adult what you’re going through.
It doesn’t necessarily have to be a parent if you don’t feel comfortable opening up to them just yet.
You can reach out to a teacher, coach, or other relative who you feel close to, if you prefer.
You also don’t have to tell them all the details of what you’re going through, if you don’t want to.
You can simply start the dialogue by saying
“Can I talk to you about some hard things I’ve been dealing with?” or
“I’ve been having a really hard time lately, and I think I might want to go to a therapist.”
They’ll be glad you reached out to them for help and can support you in taking the next steps.
If you’re too shy to bring it up in person, you can send the person a text or write them a note or email.

Use school resources
Many high schools and middle schools have some kind of counselor, whether it be a guidance counselor, psychologist, or social worker.
These professionals are trained to help students with any problems they might face.
Their offices are safe spaces to discuss what you’re going through.
Ask to schedule an appointment to chat.
Depending on the school, your counselor might recommend an outside therapist, or they may be able to set up regular appointments to talk with you.
Don’t be shy when reaching out and asking them for help.
It’s literally their job to help students!

Join a teen support group
Support groups and group therapy sessions can be really helpful to assist you in feeling less alone.
In group settings like this, you’ll meet other teens who are going through the same or similar things that you are.
These groups will be hosted and moderated by a professional therapist or psychologist to keep everything safe and healthy.
In these groups, you’re not only getting help from a mental health professional, but also from peers who get it.

Call a hotline or write in a chat
If you’re feeling suicidal or like you want to hurt yourself, do not hesitate to call a hotline.
Operators are trained to help people in crisis mode and help talk you through things when you feel like you’re at a point of no return.
The National Suicide Prevention Hotline is available and can be called 24/7.
There are also specialized helplines for specific issues such as the National Eating Disorder Association’s helpline, and Love Is Respect’s helpline, which is for people in abusive relationships.
If you’re feeling too nervous to talk out loud on the phone, you can use a chat service on your phone or computer, such as Crisis Text Line, where you can connect with a crisis counselor over text.
All of these services are free and confidential.
However, these aren’t long-term solutions and are not meant to provide you with long-term treatment.

Know there’s nothing to be ashamed of
Asking for help isn’t something to be ashamed or embarrassed of!
In fact, you should be proud of yourself for asking for help, because it means you’re brave enough to take the first step in getting better and make a change in your life.
If you were feeling sick with a bad cough, you wouldn’t be ashamed to ask an adult to take you to the doctor, right?
You simply feel something’s wrong, and you want to get help to feel better.
Look at asking for mental health care the same way you’d look at seeing the doctor for a physical problem.

Remember to help yourself, too
One of the greatest things you can do for your mental health is to take good care of yourself — both emotionally and physically.
You may be surprised at the positive effect that some lifestyle changes can have on you.
For example, make sure you eat breakfast before school, exercise regularly, and get enough sleep.
Staying away from drugs and alcohol is crucial.
Also, to take care of yourself emotionally, make sure you treat yourself to some self care.
This can be something as simple as journaling about your feelings, taking a relaxing bath, or going for a run to clear your mind.

Asking for help is the first step to overcoming your obstacles and facing your mental health issues head on.
You don’t have to go through this alone…all you have to do is ask for help.

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00:00:01:11 – 00:00:41:03
Michelle
Insightful podcast informative host insights into things, a podcast network Welcome to Insights into Teens. A podcast series exploring the issues and challenges of today’s youth. Your hosts are Joseph and Madison Wayland, a father and daughter team making their way through the challenges of.

00:00:41:03 – 00:00:42:15
Michelle
The teenage years.

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Joseph
Welcome to Insights into Teens. This is episode one 48. Mental Health, Stigma and Teens. I’m your host Joseph Wayland, and my intelligent and caring co-host, Madison Whalen.

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Madison
Hi, everyone.

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Joseph
How are you doing today, Matty?

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Madison
I I’m fine, I guess.

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Joseph
Wow. That’s a stunning investment.

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Madison
Yeah.

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Joseph
Any issues we need to discuss?

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Madison
Mainly just, you know, the typical physical stuff, you know?

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Joseph
I see. I see. Understood. Anything exciting at school this week? You did have your band practice canceled this week, so that was interesting.

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Madison
Yeah.

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Joseph
Anything else?

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Madison
My head turned in my math project that was pretty cool, you know?

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Joseph
When do you get graded on that?

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Madison
Probably after the 27th, because that’s when every everyone does do like you turn it on before.

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Joseph
So tell us about it, because this was an interesting little project you did. I wish we had a copy of it and they could take a picture of it.

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Madison
So basically it was supposed to be based on a certain geometry topic we discussed. And I had gotten special parallelogram Right. So basically I had talked about the rhombus, the rectangle and the square.

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Joseph
And what did you theme yours on.

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Madison
SpongeBob.

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Joseph
And you did a really good job. I was. I was very impressed with your final product. I really was.

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Madison
Yeah, I was actually pretty impressed as well.

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Joseph
Hopefully you get a good read on it. I think you deserve it.

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Madison
Thanks.

00:02:28:28 – 00:02:56:06
Joseph
So but that is not what we’re talking about today. What we aren’t talking about today is that many of our podcast often conclude with the suggestion to seek professional help if the techniques we discuss on the show aren’t effective to you. The actual act of getting that level of help can itself be a challenge. There’s long been a stigma surrounding mental health, both in teens and in adults.

00:02:57:05 – 00:03:39:21
Joseph
Thankfully, that has gotten significantly better over the years. But taking that first step to seek help is challenging, and that’s what we’re going to be discussing. On this week’s episode of Insights into Teens. But before we do that, I would like to invite our listening and viewing audience to subscribe to the podcast You can find audio versions of this podcast listed as insights into teens and video as well as audio can be found listed as insights into things for all of our podcast, and we can be found on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Google, Stitcher, pretty much anywhere you get a podcast these days and also invite our audience to give us your feedback on how we’re doing

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Joseph
Give us your SO show suggestions. Relate your personal stories. If you’ve got any personal stories related through the topics that we talk about, we love to hear about them. You can email us comments at insights into things dot com. You can find us on Twitter and insights on this were things we’re on Facebook dot com slash Insights into Things podcast.

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Joseph
We’re also at Instagram dot com slash insights into things we can get links to all those and more on our official website at W WW dot insights into things dot com. Are we ready.

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Madison
I guess we have to be.

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Joseph
Wow. I love that confidence there thing. Here we go.

00:04:26:18 – 00:04:55:22
Joseph
So this research comes to us from a website called Destinations for Teens dot com and the first question is really what is mental health stigma? They say sometimes it can be difficult to spot symptoms of mental health conditions especially in teens and young adults. While mood changes are characteristic of maturation and puberty, mental health disorders create invasive symptoms that interfere with your daily life.

00:04:56:17 – 00:05:22:21
Madison
Without proper treatment, mental health disorders can cause disabling symptoms that which can impact academics, social life and relationships. Mental health stigma in teens is an unhealthy combination, as fear is about reaching out for help can outweigh a teen’s desire to get better. Conditions like depression can cause you to isolate yourself from friends and loved ones, while anxiety can make it difficult to interact with others.

00:05:23:17 – 00:05:43:20
Joseph
20% of teens and adolescents struggle with a mental health disorder. Some of the most common mental health disorders that affect teens include depression and major depression disorder, anxiety disorders, mood disorders, PTSD or post-traumatic stress disorder, and the eating disorder.

00:05:44:14 – 00:06:06:09
Madison
Mental health stigma. And teens struggling with their emotional well-being can create significant barriers to recovery. Since many mental health conditions can get worse without treatment. Neglecting emotional needs can make it difficult to live a healthy life. Struggling with depression, for instance, can lead to losing interest in hobbies and avoiding friends and family members.

00:06:07:10 – 00:06:39:28
Joseph
Teens may also struggle with communicating their emotions especially if intense emotions occur without a desired call. A director calls. Other times, mental health, stigma, and teens experiencing anxiety can make it hard to reach out for help. Things like expressing difficult emotions or asking for help can trigger anxiety symptoms which is why it’s important to offer support to your teen if they’re struggling to find ways to cope with overwhelming or troubling emotions.

00:06:40:15 – 00:07:11:25
Joseph
So it’s worth noting that as a kid, when I was your age, mental health really was not something we talked about. It wasn’t in the forefront. It wasn’t something that that really people addressed to kids unless the kids were and I’m going to use a probably an insensitive term, but this is what we refer to them. They were disturbed.

00:07:12:17 – 00:07:42:25
Joseph
You know, these were the kids who were the ones that they were unable to stay in class with with the rest of the group. So they would wind up going off into their own separate study groups. And usually it was these groups were for kids who had developmental disorders. There was very little talk about some of the more common things that everyone goes through, depression, anxiety and stuff like that.

00:07:44:17 – 00:08:13:03
Joseph
So when you found out that a friend of yours or something you went to school with was going for some kind of counseling the immediate thought was, oh, well, well, you know, he’s he’s got real problems. You know, he’s, you know, whatever whatever the term was at the time, you know, he’s all he he needs to be medicated or or they’re going to put him in the funny form, you know, it was all stuff like that because nobody really understood it.

00:08:14:01 – 00:08:35:05
Joseph
And I’ve noticed nowadays that there’s a lot more, at least, if not understanding it, discussion about it. What’s your impression of how kids your age actually deal with these kind of mental health issues? Because depression wasn’t a mental health issue if you were suffering from depression? When I was a kid, you were just saying you had to get over.

00:08:36:07 – 00:08:40:06
Joseph
And that’s really not the case. How was it how was it nowadays in your eyes?

00:08:40:21 – 00:09:16:19
Madison
Well, now I kind of see it as a lot of people tend to speak out about it or they tend to say like they have something else going on. And you also tend to see a lot more of the mental of mental health disorders getting identified and people relating that they have that. You have people nowadays coming out and saying they directly have depression or they are getting counseling and like it’s I definitely think it’s a lot more open than especially when it was when you were a kid.

00:09:17:09 – 00:09:50:20
Madison
Everyone’s a little more open about it. And even if some people don’t entirely understand it. Again, like you said, people do discuss it more often. And the topic of therapy has been a larger topic. In fact, the largest teen topic we were going to discuss on this podcast at the very start was depression. And like I also it was around the time that I was also kind of having a lot of mental changes.

00:09:50:20 – 00:10:00:09
Madison
And nowadays people do speak out about it. And it’s sad that teens do go through this, but that it can lead to something more serious later on.

00:10:01:02 – 00:10:21:23
Joseph
Yeah, and that’s kind of the take that I have on it now is it’s treated like almost like it’s a physical ailment, which really it is. It has to be taken seriously like that and it has to be treated. You have to look at the symptoms. You have to figure out the cause of it just as if you had an illness or an injury or something.

00:10:21:23 – 00:10:41:25
Joseph
Like that. And to me, at least, it’s a relief to see that people are being a little bit more clinical about it and it’s less, oh, that’s like my crazy uncle. We don’t talk about him because he’s in the institution type thing where it’s like it was a black mark before or you tried not to talk about it, you didn’t want to address it.

00:10:41:25 – 00:11:04:05
Joseph
It was it was that skeleton in the closet that nobody wanted to address because oh my goodness, a family member of mine has a mental illness that means the whole family is going to go crazy. Like, that was really kind of a stigma that we had when I was a kid. So you didn’t address it, and nowadays it’s because it’s treated clinically.

00:11:04:25 – 00:11:17:26
Joseph
There’s a lot more support out there. There’s a lot more help out there. And that’s that’s sort of what I want to talk about today. But there’s still some stigmas. What are some of the common types of stigma that are still out there?

00:11:18:08 – 00:11:47:04
Madison
So this comes from a website called Stonewall Recovery dot com. At the core of stigma is a sense of feeling that someone is different from you and that the difference is negative common types of public mental health stigma surrounding adolescence, mental ill adolescent mental health include the misconception that teenagers have nothing to be depressed or anxious about. Teenagers are out of faith in life when they are discovering a lot about themselves.

00:11:47:20 – 00:12:12:17
Madison
Well, they might not have gone through a lot in life that is not reason enough to assume that they have nothing to be depressed about. In any case, teens have to deal with school friendships, relationships and even part time jobs because teens experience emotions more intensely than adults, making them susceptible to make weight besides teens. I’m sorry.

00:12:12:19 – 00:12:13:08
Joseph
That’s okay.

00:12:13:26 – 00:12:21:10
Madison
Besides, teens experienced emotions more intensely than adults, making them susceptible to developing depression.

00:12:23:03 – 00:12:52:25
Joseph
Another misconception that they have is that teens with mental health disorders act a certain way just for attention. It can be easy to conclude that a teen is faking a mental disorder and seeking attention. In the real sense, the mental problem may not get the kind of attention that they want. After all, the prevalence of mental health stigmas and misconceptions among teens is less likely to make a healthy teenager pretend to have a mental disorder.

00:12:53:25 – 00:13:10:17
Madison
There’s also the misconception that teens with mental health disorders are prone to violence. It is possible for someone struggling with mental health disorders to be violent. However, it does not mean that all of those who suffer from mental health conditions are under unquestionably violent.

00:13:11:07 – 00:13:32:13
Joseph
And the last one they talk about is another misconception. I think really this is probably one of the biggest one that that’s thrown around by parents these days, and it’s one you have to be careful about, and that’s that teens don’t suffer from mental health disorders. It’s just moodiness because they’re teens due to hormonal changes in adolescence, teens are often moody.

00:13:33:02 – 00:13:53:01
Joseph
However, this does not mean that teenagers cannot suffer from mental disorders when a teenager exhibits behaviors beyond normal teenage moodiness. It could be a sign of a mental disorder. So it’s one of those things where you yeah, it could be moodiness, but you really need to keep an eye on it and make sure that that’s all it is.

00:13:53:29 – 00:14:13:15
Joseph
That doesn’t mean you just leave and go after to do their own thing. You kind of have to be there to ask, make sure everything’s okay. And sometimes you have to be that annoying parent. You kind of feel out the details and see how it is and what I think is kind of interesting is that all four of these really are misconceptions.

00:14:14:06 – 00:14:41:03
Joseph
So the stigmas that a lot of people have about seeking mental help, you know, are misconceptions. These are these are things and some of these are carryovers from when I was a kid. You know, they’re not real. It’s not the stigmas aren’t based on reality. They’re based on some kind of fictitious image we have of either the perception of the teen or the perception of their behavior.

00:14:41:23 – 00:14:49:01
Joseph
What do you think? Do you think any of these stigmas are real or do you think that you know there are things that that need to be overcome?

00:14:49:22 – 00:15:16:02
Madison
I mean, yeah, this a lot of these are things that really need to be overcome, like saying that teens don’t have anything to be depressed or anxious about. Well, the amount of stress they get from school, the stress they can get from their parents, and just the overwhelming feeling of them discovering a lot about the world and kind of feeling like a lot and kind of finally learning a lot more of the dark sides about the world.

00:15:16:02 – 00:15:43:13
Madison
And again, with them being with teens, being really very and having much more intense emotions than adults. Yeah. You it’s that one really isn’t true because there’s a lot of that teens are anxious about. They’re anxious about their future. They’re told this is around the time when they start to finally decide who they are as a person. And obviously that would end up causing them to be really anxious.

00:15:43:14 – 00:15:52:28
Madison
They start learning a lot more about the world and realize there’s a lot of bad in the world that have kind of been shielded from them until this point.

00:15:53:16 – 00:16:28:12
Joseph
Yeah, it’s interesting that you mention that because we did one of the big topics that we talked about, one of the longest hard-hitting topics that we talked about early on was depression. And after we went through depression, we did a series of a bunch of other ones. And I think we just kind of discovered that your depression was, if nothing else, the result of anxiety from various pressures that you were going through at the time, compounded by the mood swings that you were having when you were going through those hormonal changes.

00:16:29:04 – 00:16:57:19
Joseph
So those stressors exist and they exist for every teen out there. Some teens put more stress on themselves than others. You know, you have some teens who are perfectionists and they put pressure on themselves because of that. You have teens who are overachievers who feel that there’s a demand for them to produce more. Then you have teens who are the ones that are involved in everything.

00:16:58:18 – 00:17:27:27
Joseph
You know. You know, the kids who are every every season, they have a different event or multiple events, extracurricular activities that they, you know, participate in. And they’re getting straight A’s and they’re all on a roll and they’re doing, you know, five other things all of these things. And it’s not it’s not bad. I’m not saying that that’s a bad thing, but all of these things generate their own types of stressors that the kids are susceptible to.

00:17:29:07 – 00:17:32:20
Joseph
What are some of the stresses that you’re dealing with right now, today?

00:17:34:06 – 00:18:08:26
Madison
Well, I guess it’s a lot of mine is the perfectionist aspect I stress about getting perfect days. I stress when I have a test and I don’t know if I’m going to get 100 on it and anything less than that. I don’t feel like I did well enough I constantly put pressure on myself to get those straight A’s, get the best grades I can, and when I don’t, I I, I just, I completely beat myself up about and I feel horrible.

00:18:09:05 – 00:18:40:23
Joseph
And every one of those things that you put on yourself is compounded by the fact that school is putting demands on you. Mommy and daddy are putting demands on your friends are putting demands on you. You’re extracurricular activities are. And all this stuff causes stress and stress itself leads to mental disorders. So that’s a real danger. And we can’t just dismiss it by saying, kids, well, you don’t have to put food on the table and you don’t have to put a roof over your head.

00:18:40:23 – 00:18:58:17
Joseph
And it’s like, okay, you have different stresses than I do as an adult. It doesn’t make them any less of a danger of mental health. So parents have to kind of recognize that. But even though they’re different stresses, they’re still stresses that can cause mental health issues.

00:18:59:12 – 00:18:59:20
Madison
Hmm.

00:19:00:02 – 00:19:08:13
Joseph
So we’re going to take a quick break. And we’re going to talk come back and talk about how mental health disorders are treated. We’ll be right back.

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Welcome back to Insights in the Teens. Today, we’re talking about mental health, stigma and teens. And now we’re going to talk about how mental health disorders are treated and this comes to us from pardon me if I botched this pre-college behavioral dot com.

00:20:36:26 – 00:20:40:05
Joseph
Sure. That sounds good. And I would have done all right.

00:20:40:24 – 00:21:07:14
Madison
So when you noticed symptoms of a mental health disorder, early treatment is essential, much like a physical ailment, you might suffer from. The first step of the treatment process is obtaining a diagnosis. Afterwards, the focus becomes centered on developing an effective treatment plan. Like medical conditions. It can take time to find the right combination of therapies to alleviate and reduce symptoms of a mental health condition.

00:21:08:17 – 00:21:42:25
Joseph
There are different types of treatments to mental health disorders, from counseling and behavioral therapy to prescribed medication and alternative herbal approaches. It all depends on your diagnosis. Understand that it may take a few attempts to discover which treatments work best. Mental health disorders are usually treated with both medication and therapy. Therapeutic techniques like cognitive and dialectical behavioral therapy work by helping you identify and change negative thoughts, feelings and behaviors.

00:21:43:22 – 00:22:04:13
Madison
Understanding triggers is another important part of recovery. Triggers can be people, places, or things that aggravate symptoms. Learning how to cope with them healthily is central to mental health treatment. Holistic therapies like medication, meditation and yoga provide mood.

00:22:04:23 – 00:22:09:08
Joseph
Know they may provide mood, but they also improve mood.

00:22:10:08 – 00:22:15:15
Madison
Improve mood and decrease stress, making them an excellent way to handle triggers healthily.

00:22:15:26 – 00:22:42:02
Joseph
So I want to take a quick aside here. One of the things that a lot of people don’t know is, is who to go to. So a lot of times people talk about how I have a therapist that I talk to or I have a friend who’s a psychiatrist or, you know, the company offers a psychologist and there’s a there’s confusion about what these people what roles these people do.

00:22:42:17 – 00:22:57:17
Joseph
And I did a little quick research that I threw together here that I just wanted to go over very quickly. And what’s the difference between a psychologist, a psychiatrist and a therapist? Sounds like the start of a joke, right? Yeah. Psychiatrists in psychiatry still walk into a bar.

00:22:57:17 – 00:22:59:11
Madison
And a psychiatrist and a psychiatrist.

00:23:00:26 – 00:23:35:02
Joseph
So psychologists, psychiatrists and therapists oftentimes many people confuse these terms frequently assuming they’re synonymous. However, they all mean different things. But people in these professions strive for the same outcome to improve people’s lives. A therapist is more of a general term and refers to anyone who has had some level of training in psychotherapy. This can include psychologists, master level, level counselors, or psychiatrists, to name a few.

00:23:35:22 – 00:24:06:08
Joseph
It’s important to know the term therapist is not regulated by any type of licensing or credentialing board, so anyone can call themselves a therapist. Listed below, blah, blah, blah. Some helpful tips. So a licensed master therapist, a licensed master level therapist, is someone who also has an advanced degree in psychology, and typically they spend about two additional years in graduate school to earn their masters degree.

00:24:07:01 – 00:24:47:18
Joseph
Once their undergraduate degree is complete advanced. The advanced degrees can include specialties as a master’s degree in clinical psychology, counseling, psychology, marriage, etc., etc.. A psychologist, a psychologist is someone who has an advanced degree of PhD or physical whatever in psychology, specifically a doctoral degree in clinical counseling or school psychology. This advanced degree typically consists of six to seven additional years of formal education after a bachelor’s degree is completed.

00:24:48:00 – 00:25:22:05
Joseph
Most psychologists received a degree from a school accredited by the American Psychological Association because such accreditation is a requisite for state licenses Many psychologists conduct research and or provide psychotherapy. They can diagnose disorders or problems, independent in their clients, and the additional years of education and training often result in more experience with advanced top line interventions for clients And the last one is a psychiatrist.

00:25:22:17 – 00:25:51:24
Joseph
Psychiatrist as someone who also has an advanced degree. But they went to medical school for the degree to learn how to prescribe medications for psychiatric conditions. While psychiatrists are not expected to provide psychotherapy, due to their scope of practice. Many are able to provide very brief, supportive psycho psychotherapy to their clients, depending on the training history So you go kind of it’s a graduated scale.

00:25:51:24 – 00:26:21:03
Joseph
So you go from a therapist who could really be anybody, just a good listener. I guess is really what you’re looking for there to a licensed master level therapist, so that there they have a level of accreditation and then you go to a psychologist who’s got even more training and experience. And then a psychiatrist is someone who has the training but has the ability to prescribe medications for these conditions.

00:26:21:29 – 00:26:29:04
Joseph
I just wanted to put that out there because this was always something that kind of confused me and always had me scratching my head. Questions.

00:26:29:15 – 00:26:30:17
Madison
No, I think I’m good.

00:26:30:19 – 00:26:53:16
Joseph
Okay. Back to the show. Yeah. So stifling the stigma with teen therapy, anxiety finds us all at some point or another. For children and teens, this can be even more disruptive to their everyday lives. Teens experience heightened emotions regularly throughout adolescence, and while growing up.

00:26:54:11 – 00:27:16:19
Madison
Today more than ever, teens are constantly surrounded by their peers whether in person or on their phones. Socially, teens are more involved with their friends constantly through the use of the Internet and social media. This can add a lot of extra stress when it comes to fitting in during these formative years. School can provide its own host of stressors.

00:27:16:27 – 00:27:24:07
Madison
These include class presentations, overly long standardized tests, group projects, online Zoom meetings, and so much more.

00:27:25:19 – 00:28:02:28
Joseph
So team therapy as a solution. The stigmas that surround mental illness have existed as long as anyone can remember. However, more recent generations have been taking a stand to stamp out those stigmas in greater numbers. Today’s teens tend to value mental well-being more than most of the generations that come before them. And I’m thankful for that because if I was trying to tackle some of these issues when I was a kid, but doing it as a parent I would be completely out of touch with with any ability to do anything for you at this point.

00:28:02:28 – 00:28:05:27
Joseph
So I’m very thankful for where we are today.

00:28:06:05 – 00:28:47:13
Madison
Yeah, So going with some statistics, more than one in five adults in the US will experience mental illness when it comes to teens. At least 17% will experience a mental health disorder. Over 50% of all lifetime mental illnesses begin by the age of 14. When it comes to teens experiencing mental illness, only 50% of those diagnosed get help in the form of treatment So we all know that a large portion of teens are are impacted by mental illness and that from that portion, a smaller group is formally diagnosed.

00:28:47:25 – 00:28:56:07
Madison
Additionally of that group, only 50% actually find help in treatment. The question is why are teens resistant to therapy?

00:28:57:00 – 00:29:24:26
Joseph
And I think the answer is stigmas still exist. Despite all the advancements that we’ve made. It turns out despite efforts to remove stigmas around finding help for mental well-being, most teens are reluctant when it comes to treatment. A lot of teens feel reluctant to attend therapy sessions, even when encouraged by peers or family, because the understanding of therapy is still vague and stereotypical.

00:29:25:24 – 00:29:52:00
Joseph
When most of us think of therapy, we start to imagine a room with a long couch in an upright office chair where we sit with someone and they ask repeatedly. How did that make you feel? The truth is that meeting with a therapist is a vastly different experience, especially one trained to utilize up to date practices. Sometimes a teen’s only experience comes from meeting with their school counselor.

00:29:52:26 – 00:30:10:26
Joseph
School counselors are great resource for teens and can provide some really informative insight to parents who may be ready to seek help but aren’t sure how to approach their parents. That all being said, a school counselor won’t replace having a therapist to talk to you on a regular basis.

00:30:11:20 – 00:30:37:19
Madison
Aside from stigma surrounding seeking care, teens today may also be more open with their friends about mental health. This can be good, but can also have some unexpected and unexpected negative consequences. On one hand, speaking about their experiences with depression and anxiety with people they feel get it can prove a sense of comfort and can can provide a sense of comfort and health.

00:30:38:24 – 00:30:47:07
Madison
On the other hand, these friends may also not be in treatment, and they may feel that if their friend doesn’t need treatment, they the nation either.

00:30:47:20 – 00:31:16:18
Joseph
So the stigma of of the couch, you know, lay on the couch and you’re going to ask questions and ask how it makes you feel and all that stuff that’s very stereotypical. What it really is, is that counselors, in order for you to get any benefit from a counselor or a therapist or a psychologist or whatever, you have to be comfortable and you have to want to open up.

00:31:17:16 – 00:31:38:08
Joseph
If if it’s if they’re pulling at you to get information out of you, you’re never going to really get any benefit from it. So the idea is most of these people that you’re going to go see are going to try to provide a comfortable environment, a comfortable place to sit. If you’re uncomfortable, you’re sitting in a metal chair and you’re fidgeting because you’re uncomfortable.

00:31:38:28 – 00:32:02:24
Joseph
You’re not going to want to talk about things. You’re not going to want to solve problems. You’re going to get annoying, right? Mm hmm. Though Jen usually provides some kind of gentle background music to relax you. They may have incense going, they may have fountains. You know, the typical things that that human beings key on to relax and to unwind and to not be stressed out.

00:32:03:19 – 00:32:26:00
Joseph
Everybody. Well, most people I don’t say everybody. Everyone that I know who goes to the doctors are nervous always white coats. And that’s what we like to call it. So when you go to see a therapist will say it’s the same type of thing. You’re going to walk in there and you’re going to be nervous, you’re going to be tense.

00:32:26:00 – 00:32:54:24
Joseph
You’re you’re not going to want to open up. And therefore, no one job there is to get you to calm down and to get you to feel comfortable. And they get you to talk about things that you don’t normally talk about. Because if you did you wouldn’t be in their office to begin with, because a lot of times the things that you talk about with a counselor are things that that you try to avoid because they’re stressors or they depress you or whatever.

00:32:54:24 – 00:33:15:13
Joseph
They’re things that people tend to push down to the bottom of their emotional scale and not pay attention to but the things that need to be done. So the first thing a counselor is going to do is trying to get you to calm down and relax and unwind And your first session might have nothing to do with any of the issues that you’re experiencing.

00:33:16:17 – 00:33:35:08
Joseph
It very well could just be let’s get to know each other let’s get let’s have some common ground that we can work on. Let’s get you to the point that you can trust me. You understand it. Everything that we talk about here is in confidence. There’s nothing to worry about. That’s a lot of what they’re doing right off the bat.

00:33:36:21 – 00:34:01:12
Joseph
And it’s to overcome these stigmas because people walk in with these preconceptions of what a counselor is going to do. Now, that’s after kudos to these people. They’ve already taken that big step of going to see a counselor. A lot of people don’t walk into a therapist’s office the first time willing to open up. But the fact that they walk into that therapist’s office is a huge win for them.

00:34:02:12 – 00:34:24:16
Joseph
So the counselors are generally going to be very gentle with you. They’re going to want to ease you into it. Nobody’s sticking electrodes on you or sticking you with needles or any crazy stuff like that. They’re there to help you. And they’re going to be a lot more gentle than your general practitioner. Is when they take your blood pressure and they’re sticking this thing in, nodding in, taking your temperature and all that.

00:34:24:16 – 00:34:32:11
Joseph
So the experience of talking to a therapist is is much less invasive than I think people realize.

00:34:34:16 – 00:34:45:26
Joseph
You’ve talked to your school counselor. Tell us a little bit about the experience, not the details, but the overall experience. How did you find it? Was it relaxing? Was it stressful? Was it scary? What did you feel?

00:34:47:15 – 00:35:10:14
Madison
I was originally kind of not entirely willing to go because my main idea was just I was going to miss class. I, I didn’t know. I didn’t think I really needed it. I would just talk about when I got home or something. But when I first went in there, she was very inviting. She tried to get she started getting some ground with me.

00:35:10:19 – 00:35:27:13
Madison
We ended up at some point, we ended up having a talk about how we’re both left handed. And both of us kind of had that common ground of, well, what that was. She even complimented my nails one time and really she got common ground with me and I started to get more comfortable around her.

00:35:27:23 – 00:35:45:18
Joseph
And that’s pretty much the same experience that I had when I went to the counselor the last time you know, they they sat me down in a comfortable chair and we just sat there, you know, we talked for the first session. We didn’t talk about any of the issues, didn’t talk about any of the problems, didn’t talk about why I was there, really.

00:35:46:06 – 00:36:30:22
Joseph
It was just get to know me. And she was taking notes the whole time and she would ask questions I would make a statement and she would ask questions. And it was very conversational. It wasn’t I didn’t feel like I was being psychoanalyzed or anything like that. I felt like I was have a conversation, you know? So I think it’s important for people to understand that it’s not a painful experience to go And I think if people understood that and they overcame that initial stigma of going, once you go chances are you’re going to realize that most of those misconceptions that we talked about in the first segment are all falsehoods, you know, all the stuff

00:36:30:22 – 00:36:57:23
Joseph
all the reasons people don’t want to go, all the the bad feelings that people have about them. They’ll usually win up evaporating after that first session. And then after that, you know, your next sessions after that can start to actually be therapeutic. You know, don’t walk in there. Expecting to have a miracle happened on the first day because the first day that you go to talk to anybody that you don’t know.

00:36:57:25 – 00:37:30:17
Joseph
I mean, you’ve never met these people before in your life. Probably they need to sort of get a baseline and they need to get you to calm down and open up and to trust them. And once that happens, usually you see progress after that. But you have to be willing to just like if you go to the doctors, if you’re not willing to listen to what the doctor is telling you, you know, if you’ve got an illness and you’re not going to take the medicine, you’re not going to, you know, do the rest and sleep and do all the things that the doctor tells you to do, don’t expect to get better.

00:37:31:09 – 00:37:53:17
Joseph
It’s no different when you go to a counselor or they’re going to tell you what they think you need to do to get better. And you need to sort of take that advice saying, we’re going to take our last break here. We’ll be right back. And we will talk about ways teens can ask for mental health help. Got to put the Hellboy in there.

00:37:53:17 – 00:37:57:08
Joseph
Otherwise, it seems kind of ambiguous. Yeah. We’ll be right back.

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00:39:08:04 – 00:39:18:28
Madison
Welcome back to Insights in the Teens. Today, we’re talking about mental health stigma and teens. And now we’re going to discuss ways teens can ask for mental health help.

00:39:18:29 – 00:39:20:26
Joseph
Now, you know, I was meant to help at the end.

00:39:20:27 – 00:39:50:09
Madison
Yeah, I can understand that. And this comes to us from talk space.com. So when you’re a teen experiencing mental health challenges, a may or a majority of the struggle for help is mustering the Kurds to actually ask for it. Unfortunately, there’s still a lot of stigma surrounding mental illnesses. Despite how common they are. In fact, 20% of teens ages 13 through 18 have some sort of mental health condition.

00:39:50:20 – 00:40:05:21
Madison
And that’s one in five teens. Still, the ever present stigma can make it a harder to ask for help or tell anybody about what you’re going through. Because you might feel embarrassed or scared of what people might think of you.

00:40:06:05 – 00:40:28:00
Joseph
However, mental health conditions and life in general are tricky when we’re struggling. It can be really hard to overcome obstacles by ourselves. Sometimes we need to look a little extra help to get by and live our best lives. Here are some tips for teens seeking help with mental health and helps you put the help in front of it.

00:40:28:01 – 00:40:28:17
Madison
Yes.

00:40:29:11 – 00:40:55:20
Joseph
Reach out to a trusted adult. I know it’s scary. One of the best things you can do is tell an adult what you’re going through. It doesn’t necessarily have to be a parent if you don’t feel comfortable opening up to them just yet. You can reach out to a teacher or coach or other relative who you feel close to, or if you prefer You also don’t have to tell them all the details of what you’re going through if you don’t want to.

00:40:56:12 – 00:41:13:26
Joseph
You can simply start the dialog by saying something like, Can I talk to you about some hard things I’ve been dealing with? Or I’ve been having a really hard time lately. I think I might want to go to a therapist. They’ll be glad you reached out to them for help. I can support you in taking the next steps.

00:41:14:23 – 00:41:20:08
Joseph
If you’re too shy to bring it up in person. You can send the person a text or write them a note. Or an email.

00:41:20:29 – 00:41:50:20
Madison
You can also use school resources. Many high schools and middle schools have some kind of counselor, whether it be a guidance counselor. So colleges or social worker. These professionals are trained to help students with any problems they might face. Their offices are safe spaces. To discuss what you’re going through as to schedule an appointment to chat depending on the school, your counselor might recommend an outside therapist, or they may be able to set up regular appointments to talk with you.

00:41:51:08 – 00:41:57:20
Madison
Don’t be shy when reaching out and asking them for help. It’s literally their job to help students.

00:41:58:22 – 00:42:21:24
Joseph
You can also join a teen support group. Support groups and group therapy sessions can be really helpful to assist you in feeling less alone in group settings. Like this. You’ll meet other teens who were going through the same or similar things that you are. These groups will be hosted in moderated by a professional therapist or psychologist to keep everything safe and healthy.

00:42:22:19 – 00:42:29:07
Joseph
In these groups, you’re not only getting help from mental health professionals, but also from peers who get it.

00:42:30:09 – 00:42:55:14
Madison
You could also call a hotline or write in a chat. If you’re feeling suicidal or like you want to hurt yourself, do not hesitate to call a hotline. Operators are trained to help people in crisis, in crisis mode, and help talk you through things when you feel like you’re at a point of no return. The National Suicide Prevention Hotline is available and can be called 24 sevenths.

00:42:56:05 – 00:43:24:26
Madison
There are also specialized helplines for specific issues such as the National Eating Disorder Association’s helpline and Love is Respects Helpline, which is for people in abusive relationship types. If you’re feeling too nervous to call, if you’re feeling too nervous to talk out loud on the phone, you can use a chat service on your phone. Or computer, such as Crisis Text Line, or you can contact with a crisis counselor over text.

00:43:25:23 – 00:43:35:09
Madison
All of these services are free and calm and confidential. However, these aren’t long term solutions and are not meant to provide you with a long term treatment.

00:43:36:08 – 00:43:59:13
Joseph
No, there’s nothing to be ashamed of. Ask for help isn’t something to be ashamed of or embarrassed. In fact, you should be proud of yourself for asking for help because it means you’re brave enough to take the first step in getting better and make a change in your life. If you were feeling sick with a bad cough, you wouldn’t be ashamed to ask an adult to take you to the doctor, right?

00:44:00:11 – 00:44:13:00
Joseph
You simply feel something’s wrong and you want to get get help to feel better. Look at asking for mental health care the same way you’d look at seeing a doctor for a physical problem.

00:44:13:28 – 00:44:40:15
Madison
Remember to help yourself to one of the greatest things you can do for your mental health is to take good care of yourself, both emotionally and physically. You may be surprised at the positive effect that some lifestyle changes can have on you. For example, make sure you eat breakfast before school, exercise regularly, and get enough sleep. Staying away from drugs and alcohol is crucial also to take care of yourself emotionally.

00:44:40:21 – 00:44:51:18
Madison
Make sure you treat yourself to some self-care. This can be something as simple as journaling about your feelings, taking a relaxing bath or going for a run to kill to clear your mind.

00:44:53:04 – 00:45:23:05
Joseph
Asking for help is the first step to overcoming your obstacles and facing your mental health issues head on. You don’t have to go through this alone. All you have to do is ask for help. One of the things we’ll do is we’ll put a post-credit marker on the podcast when we post it, and we’ll put all those the numbers for all those helplines on there for folks so that you actually have those I meant to put those in here, and I never went back and looked up the numbers to include them in here.

00:45:24:06 – 00:45:50:01
Joseph
But I think really the gist of it is you need to ask for that help. You need to recognize you need the help and you need the courage. It takes courage to ask for help any time you need help for anything, whether it’s mental health, a project for school, lifting, something doesn’t really matter what it is. It always takes a certain level of courage to recognize that you can’t do it yourself and that you need help We’re going to take a quick break.

00:45:50:02 – 00:45:54:17
Joseph
We’re going to come back and then we’ll get your closing remarks. All right. We’ll be right back.

00:46:00:23 – 00:46:36:16
Madison
All right. So to everyone out there, I just wanted to say that while we have definitely gone a long way from most of the generations before us, there’s still plenty of stigmas of mental health that we still need to combat I know when I when the topic first came up for us, I was very hesitant to seek out therapy because I didn’t originally feel like it was something that I should have had because I didn’t think it was something because I thought it was for.

00:46:36:20 – 00:47:04:16
Madison
It was really when it got to its worst and thanks to one of my counselors helping me realize that. Well, go. If you had if you broke your leg, you’d go to the doctor. So basically, all we’re trying to do is get people to maybe have help them have the courage to seek out help when they need it, because really there’s not going to be harm in trying to get help.

00:47:04:28 – 00:47:08:13
Joseph
Well, absolutely. Very sage words, as always.

00:47:08:13 – 00:47:08:29
Madison
Thank you.

00:47:09:11 – 00:47:27:06
Joseph
And I’ll say, you know, when I was growing up, mental health was something where you didn’t talk about it. You just grin and bear it. If you felt bad about something, you just you got over it. And physical injuries were the same way. All you fell down and scraped your leg. Well, all right. Just walk it off. You’ll be fine.

00:47:27:27 – 00:47:47:02
Joseph
And Society for fortunately, has evolved quite a bit. You know, in the in the 30 some years since I was at that level too. So fortunately things are much better now. When I when I went to the therapist, I always had a combative attitude when I first started until I got in there and realized that it was for the better.

00:47:47:20 – 00:48:13:10
Joseph
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Joseph
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Joseph
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00:49:06:14 – 00:49:15:18
Madison
And don’t forget to check out our other two podcasts, insights and Entertainment hosted by you in Miami and in Cincinnati tomorrow. Our monthly podcast hosted by you and my brother Sam.

00:49:15:28 – 00:49:17:13
Joseph
And that’s it. Another one in the books.

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Madison
By.

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Joseph
Everyone, by.