Insights Into Teens: Episode 138 ”The Great Debates: Controversial Topics Part 2”

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This week we’re continuing our little debate on some controversial topics. Last week we had a series of categories and in the interest of time only got through a few questions in each category. This week we’re going to pick up where we left off and see if we can get through the remaining questions.

Show Notes

INTRO THEME]
[INTRODUCTIONS]
Insights Into Teens: Episode 138 “The Great Debates: Controversial Topics Part 2”
My calm and centered co-host Madison Whalen

Summary
This week we’re continuing our little debate on some controversial topics. Last week we had a series of categories and in the interest of time only got through a few questions in each category. This week we’re going to pick up where we left off and see if we can get through the remaining questions.

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[TRANSITION]

[SEGMENT 1]

Education

Should cell phones be banned in schools?

Should students have to wear uniforms in schools?

Personal Decisions

Is it ok for teens to keep secrets from their parents?

Should teens be allowed to vape if they are not allowed to smoke?

[AD1: SSE]

[SEGMENT 2]

Public Policies

Is Immigration beneficial or harmful for the United States?

Should police officers be charged with excessive force in cases of brutality?

Politics

Should the government be responsible for guaranteeing protection of privacy?

Should military service be mandatory for all citizens?

[AD2: ENTERTAINMENT]

[SEGMENT 3]

Religion

Are Muslims discriminated the most compared to other religious groups?

Can you be good without God?

Relationships

Should same-sex marriages be legal?

Should LGBTQ people be allowed to adopt children?

Medical

Should vaccination against COVID-19 be mandatory?

Should euthansia be legalized?

Can obesity be regarded as a disease?

Should pharmaceutical companies be banned from overcharging on life-saving medications?

Can intelligence be inherited?

[TRANSITION]

[CLOSE]
Closing thoughts shoutouts

[OUTRO AND CREDITS]

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Transcription

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Narrator
Insightful podcasts. By informative host.

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Narrator
Oh. Insights into things.

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Narrator
A podcast.

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Narrator
Network.

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Narrator
Welcome to Insights into Teens, a podcast series exploring the issues and challenges of today’s youth. Your hosts are Joseph and Madison. Weil is a father and daughter team making their way through the challenges of.

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Narrator
The teenage years.

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Joseph
Welcome to insights into teams, this is episode 138, The Great Debates, Controversial Topics, Part two. I’m your host, Joseph Whelan, and my calm and centered co-host Madison Rayland.

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Madison
Hi, everyone.

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Joseph
How are you doing today, Mary?

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Madison
I’m doing as far as I can be.

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Joseph
That doesn’t sound particularly good the way you put it. Everything OK.

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Madison
Yeah, I’ve been feeling off this week, but, you know, I’m starting to get a bit better.

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Joseph
A little bit of a funk.

00:01:29:03 – 00:01:29:14
Madison
Kind of.

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Joseph
Yeah, yeah, we all get that way. It’s unavoidable. Sometimes this time, you know, with with COVID and all that stuff going on, it’s kind of even more relevant, I guess. But even under ideal circumstances, we all get into a funk eventually.

00:01:44:18 – 00:01:44:29
Madison
Yeah.

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Joseph
Doing OK. Other than that.

00:01:47:07 – 00:01:48:03
Madison
Yeah, so far.

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Joseph
How was your week this week?

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Madison
It’s been going all right despite, you know, the funk. But yeah, so far things have been going all right and with school and everything. So, yeah.

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Joseph
OK. So last week, we kind of started down.

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Narrator
The.

00:02:07:19 – 00:02:22:24
Joseph
Great debate path with some controversial topics. I think it went well. I think it was a very interesting discussion. It was a very good discussion we had last week. So what we did was we took each of our typical three segments.

00:02:22:24 – 00:02:38:24
Joseph
We broke it down into different categories and we asked some questions. So this week, we’re going to continue our little debate on some of those controversial topics. Last week, in the interest of time, we only got through a few questions in each category.

00:02:38:24 – 00:02:57:07
Joseph
I didn’t want to monopolize the entire discussion on one category. So this week we are going to pick up where we left off and see if we can get through the remaining questions already. Before we do that, though, I would invite our listening and viewing audience to subscribe to the podcast.

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Joseph
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00:03:20:17 – 00:03:32:24
Joseph
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Narrator
We’re.

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Joseph
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00:03:54:06 – 00:03:55:00
Joseph
Shall we get into it?

00:03:55:08 – 00:03:56:06
Madison
Yes, Richelle.

00:03:56:09 – 00:04:17:14
Joseph
Here we go. So the first category that we had and we’re going to get in the same category list that we did last week. first category is going to be education. Now I’ve paired these categories all down to two questions per category, which is what we went through last week.

00:04:17:14 – 00:04:30:05
Joseph
So we should be good on time. The first question, and this is one that we kind of ran into a bit of a debate at your school this year. Should cell phones be banned in schools?

00:04:31:13 – 00:04:55:22
Madison
OK, so. I think people kind of just need to meet it halfway, like I agree that we shouldn’t be allowed to have cell phones during class. It’s just a distraction and using our cell phones, we shouldn’t be doing that in class, but completely banning them.

00:04:55:23 – 00:05:19:17
Madison
I don’t think is what we should be doing like during lunch and like certain free periods. I think they should be allowed to be on their phones because I do think that like while a lot of people definitely don’t like cell phones, I think when used in proper circumstances and in proper ways, it can help teens.

00:05:19:18 – 00:05:38:09
Madison
And also you never know when they’re going to need their phones, they are going to need them at some point. Like if there’s an emergency, for example, like I’m not going to cut basically. So with my school, we originally had it where cell phones were banned at the beginning of the year.

00:05:38:10 – 00:05:58:28
Madison
No cell phones whatsoever. And basically, if there was any need to call a home, you would like just go down the guidance and get them to call your parents. But if there’s like an emergency where you can’t go down the guidance and like you really need to get in contact with someone, you’re kind of going to need

00:05:58:28 – 00:06:18:21
Madison
your phone for that. And. And like that that can be there. There are like extreme examples of that, but like there are also some things that like you might need to use your phone in school like a specific example I had was that I had to get to my Gmail account for my one class, and I couldn’t

00:06:18:21 – 00:06:33:05
Madison
do that unless, like, I confirmed it on my phone. I wasn’t allowed to have my phone, so I couldn’t do that. And ironically, the very next day, they announced that we were allowed to have our phone. So. Yeah, yeah, that was kind of ironic.

00:06:33:05 – 00:06:54:08
Madison
But needless to say, there are certain uses that say that phones are used for in school, and it’s also kind of just a way for the kids to just wind down after, you know, stressing. And I know that like my school did it because they wanted the kids to talk to other people and like, that’s good.

00:06:54:08 – 00:07:02:09
Madison
But I feel some kids are better just. Using their phones to de-stress, but like not during class.

00:07:03:11 – 00:07:24:23
Joseph
And I I kind of agree with you, probably for different reasons. As a parent in a society where we have so many. I’m going to go dark here and say so many school shootings. You never know when it’s going to happen to you, whether it’s that, whether it’s some kind of lockdown.

00:07:24:23 – 00:07:40:23
Joseph
We’ve had situations in our area here where we’ve had police actions in the area here. They’ve even chasing criminals and stuff like that. And the schools wound up going into lockdown sometimes. So it’s not always, you know, an active shooter situation.

00:07:42:04 – 00:07:56:16
Joseph
But as a parent, I want my kid to be able to have that tool of communication. And really, what it boils down to is discipline. Your kids have to be disciplined in how to use their devices.

00:07:56:21 – 00:07:57:02
Narrator
Yeah.

00:07:57:12 – 00:08:10:06
Joseph
No matter how you cut it, a cell phone is a privilege. And and it’s up to the parents to teach the kids how to behave properly with that privilege.

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Narrator
Yeah.

00:08:11:00 – 00:08:22:17
Joseph
You know, if you are texting friends or playing on social media or playing video games, whatever it is, there’s a time and place for it. Mm-Hmm. And I’m going to sound like my dad here when I say, you know, get off the phone, you know?

00:08:23:11 – 00:08:37:21
Joseph
But there are times in school that you have that free time to do that stuff with. And I think the concern that I had about your school was that kids were using these at inappropriate times and not getting disciplined for it.

00:08:38:16 – 00:08:49:16
Joseph
And if you’re going to impose a rule, but not. Follow up, follow through with it with with monitoring and disciplinary action. Then there’s no point in having the rule.

00:08:49:23 – 00:08:50:05
Narrator
Yeah.

00:08:51:07 – 00:09:07:28
Joseph
So I think there is a purpose. There is a utility for having them in schools, whether it’s for entertainment, value or de-stressing or whatever. There’s a purpose to having them there, just like there’s a purpose to having having them at my work.

00:09:08:21 – 00:09:27:01
Joseph
You know, I’m one of the few people at my work that can carry them onto our manufacturing floor because of my position with the company. But even people that are on the manufacturing floor who can’t have their phones on the floor have them at lunch and they can communicate with their family.

00:09:27:01 – 00:09:41:19
Joseph
They can watch videos and do whatever they want with them on their own time. And I think the same situation applies to schools, so I think I agree with you 100% there that they should be allowed, but they should be allowed in a controlled manner.

00:09:41:25 – 00:09:42:06
Narrator
Yeah.

00:09:43:12 – 00:09:51:10
Joseph
So the next thing that we have in the last one in this category is and you’ve never experienced this, but your brother did.

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Narrator
Hmm.

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Joseph
Should students have to wear uniforms in school?

00:09:56:02 – 00:10:12:20
Madison
Okay, so. I’ve you that there’s pros and cons to uniforms like like I feel a lot of people think like all the kids don’t really have to think about what they’re going to wear, like everyone looks the same, you know, something like that.

00:10:12:21 – 00:10:37:05
Madison
And like, I can definitely see the benefits to it. But I feel that in proper ways, kids should be allowed to express themselves. And one large way is through clothing. And while yes, and a lot of negative stuff can come from clothing like inappropriate clothing and, you know, like, Oh, you’re not wearing expensive clothing, so you’re like

00:10:37:12 – 00:10:58:01
Madison
, you’re worth your worth is basically determined by that. Like, I get like the negatives and uniforms can probably solve that. But I think it’s just partly do I feel like it’s just like again, in proper ways, kids should kind of be allowed to express themselves like.

00:10:59:17 – 00:11:18:26
Madison
I feel like kids should just. Clothing is a way to express themselves, and teens kind of need an outlet for them to express themselves and again, putting restrictions on your clothing is. I definitely think, should be happening so that nothing inappropriate is worn or anything.

00:11:19:15 – 00:11:36:03
Madison
But I don’t think that just telling kids to wear a certain outfit or requiring it should really be something that should happen because again, it’s kind of just about the individuality and expressing themselves and stuff like that.

00:11:37:17 – 00:11:54:26
Joseph
Here, I think I’m going to disagree a little bit with you. Like, I understand the need for for kids to express their individuality. It’s part of growing up. It’s part of that development process. As a kid who came from.

00:11:54:26 – 00:11:55:12
Narrator
A.

00:11:57:18 – 00:12:11:04
Joseph
Poor family. You know, we we did not have, you know, we live paycheck to paycheck because my dad didn’t make a lot of money. My mom didn’t work. And every year, when we had to buy school clothes, it was a struggle.

00:12:11:20 – 00:12:12:27
Joseph
It was a struggle having to.

00:12:13:18 – 00:12:13:28
Narrator
Gave him.

00:12:13:28 – 00:12:17:19
Joseph
The funds to buy them and getting the sufficient amount of.

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Narrator
Clothes.

00:12:18:26 – 00:12:23:12
Joseph
And as a result, the clothes that I wore were not name brand clothes, typically.

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Narrator
And.

00:12:26:16 – 00:12:46:20
Joseph
Going to school in something that was not a mean brand, designer clothing. You know, I mean, I’m talking jeans, you know, no one was wearing, you know, cardigans or anything like that. But like, I couldn’t even afford a name brand like a Lee gene or a Wrangler gene or something like that, it was it was an off

00:12:46:20 – 00:12:59:27
Joseph
brand gene and it causes stigmatism. You know, you’re stigmatized because of that, and kids look at you differently is as a result of that, and uniforms negate that right off the bat.

00:13:00:01 – 00:13:00:19
Madison
Well, yeah.

00:13:01:23 – 00:13:20:22
Joseph
The other thing is, you don’t have to worry about kids wearing inappropriate clothes. You don’t have to worry about the controversy of a dress code. You don’t have to worry about parents. Don’t have to worry about going out and buying the latest and greatest expensive clothing because everyone wears the same thing.

00:13:21:29 – 00:13:42:05
Joseph
And usually, the uniform is usually a shirt, shoes, pants and a sweater, I think, or a jacket or something. And a lot of times that stuff can be used year after year. You can even there’s even situations where you can rent that uniform and not have to go out and pay for.

00:13:42:05 – 00:13:42:17
Narrator
It, or.

00:13:43:06 – 00:14:00:11
Joseph
You can get a discounted cost and stuff. So. It’s not a status symbol anymore. It’s not a disciplinary thing anymore because everybody’s wearing the same thing and it is a way of stifling your individuality. I could see certainly see that as being one of the detriments to it.

00:14:01:08 – 00:14:04:05
Joseph
How would you feel if you had to wear a uniform in school?

00:14:05:19 – 00:14:14:25
Madison
Come? I personally probably wouldn’t like, despite the fact I probably wouldn’t be allowed to wear a hoodie which.

00:14:15:06 – 00:14:15:12
Narrator
That.

00:14:15:12 – 00:14:17:01
Joseph
Usually not in the uniform code.

00:14:17:06 – 00:14:41:24
Madison
Yeah, which would be like the only real like downfall for me. I guess I wouldn’t be all that upset with it because I normally just wear. Pants and a shirt in general, although like the shoes and like, the fact I can wear a hoodie might be the only problems I have because I don’t know how comfortable the

00:14:41:24 – 00:15:00:06
Madison
shoes would be. And I kind of like a certain type of shoe now. And yeah, now we’re being able to wear a hoodie would kind of not really be nice because I prefer hoodies over like sweaters. I guess so.

00:15:00:07 – 00:15:07:19
Joseph
Well, and that’s one of the other problems. one of the other detriments to uniforms is I’ve yet to see a school uniform that’s actually comfortable.

00:15:08:13 – 00:15:08:27
Narrator
You know.

00:15:09:08 – 00:15:33:29
Joseph
And a lot of times, at least in. So Sam went to Catholic school early on in his his school career, and they the boys wore pants and the girls wore dresses. And if you don’t like wearing a dress, you’re kind of beat at that point in time, if that’s what the dress code is.

00:15:34:09 – 00:15:46:26
Joseph
Yeah. So it was kind of one of those. It’s a non-degree like they didn’t give you options. Like if they gave you options, it’d be one thing. You could wear one of three different styles, but you don’t get that everyone is expected to stick to the one style.

00:15:47:02 – 00:15:47:13
Narrator
Yeah.

00:15:48:02 – 00:15:50:20
Joseph
So, all right. So we’re kind of a push on that one.

00:15:51:00 – 00:15:51:11
Madison
Yeah.

00:15:51:18 – 00:15:56:01
Joseph
So you’d be OK with it if you had to, but it’s it’s not preferred.

00:15:56:08 – 00:15:56:19
Madison
Yeah.

00:15:57:15 – 00:16:15:13
Joseph
So the next one we have is next category we have is our personal decisions. So the first question we have here is, is it OK for teens to keep secrets from their parents? OK, and if that’s a secret, you don’t have to tell me.

00:16:16:21 – 00:16:17:02
Narrator
Oh.

00:16:17:13 – 00:16:41:08
Madison
Goodness. OK, so I definitely agree that there are certain things teens shouldn’t keep secret secrets about like. Some really depressing thoughts about like harming themselves, harming others or stuff like that. Then I like, that’s definitely something I feel that needs to be addressed no matter what.

00:16:41:09 – 00:17:07:14
Madison
And yes, if you keep very harmful secrets like if you’re smoking or doing drugs or something like that or doing risky behavior. Yeah, keeping that a secret from your parents is not really something that should be happening. But I do think that parents kind of need to respect some teens privacy like there are certain things teens are

00:17:07:23 – 00:17:25:21
Madison
like would be OK for teens to keep from their parents like some like if they don’t feel comfortable talking to their parents about certain mental health things going on, but they feel comfortable talking with someone else, then it’s kind of OK to not really mention it to your parents and really just kind of talk with the person

00:17:25:21 – 00:17:38:23
Madison
that you feel more comfortable with, or if it’s just like little harmless secrets, like certain hobbies, you don’t want your parents, you don’t really want to tell your parents about or just like little special tidbits you kind of keep to yourself.

00:17:39:07 – 00:17:56:12
Madison
I definitely think that, like parents really need to stop being so overprotective, like certain parents need to be a little less overprotective of their teens. Because, like, I know that a big thing is that like some parents don’t even allow their kids to have a door to their room, which OK, that is kind of extreme.

00:17:56:20 – 00:18:18:27
Madison
Like, you’re not even allowing your kids that privacy. So I know secrets. Not all aren’t always like a privacy thing, but I definitely think privacy is a big impact, has a big impact when it comes to secrets. So while I definitely think there are certain things that shouldn’t be kept from your parents that you need to let

00:18:18:27 – 00:18:34:17
Madison
them know so that they can help you, or so you can stop doing these be like really bad and harmful behaviors. I still think that some parents need to respect their teens privacy with a little less harmful things or just things they don’t feel comfortable telling their parents about.

00:18:35:12 – 00:18:51:28
Joseph
Right? I think that’s fair. I think. I think the parents probably need to have as open a dialog with their kids as possible because there are a lot of difficult topics that you need to discuss with your kids.

00:18:51:28 – 00:18:52:05
Narrator
That.

00:18:53:04 – 00:19:10:16
Joseph
If your kids aren’t comfortable talking to you, you’re never going to be able to communicate. And communicating with your kids is vital in order to ensure that they’re taken care of and the, you know, grow up to be decent human beings.

00:19:11:13 – 00:19:27:02
Joseph
I also understand the fact that you need to have your own space, you need to have your own privacy. So I don’t as a parent, I wouldn’t expect you to be forthcoming with with everything that you weren’t comfortable with.

00:19:27:02 – 00:19:47:28
Joseph
But also as a parent, it’s our job to make sure that. If there are issues that that those issues are not harmful to you, so any time you know mommy or I pray and we seem like we’re invading your privacy, it’s not out of malice, it’s for your own good.

00:19:48:08 – 00:19:48:19
Madison
Yeah.

00:19:49:12 – 00:19:51:08
Joseph
So it’s important to keep that in mind, too.

00:19:51:19 – 00:20:08:27
Madison
Yeah. And kind of parents need to find that balance where they’re not like completely like a helicopter parent watching over the kids and not even allowing them to have a door to their room. Right? That’s definitely the extreme example, but you also don’t want to be so careless that your kid can end up harming themselves or others

00:20:09:00 – 00:20:12:02
Joseph
. Absolutely. As with anything in life, it’s a balance.

00:20:12:10 – 00:20:12:19
Narrator
Mm hmm.

00:20:13:15 – 00:20:28:19
Joseph
So the next one last question in this category here is about bad habits or habits, whether they’re better, not interpretive. Should teens be allowed to vape if they’re not allowed to smoke?

00:20:30:20 – 00:20:44:20
Madison
No, both are really bad, and I don’t feel that vaping is any better than smoking, and I don’t think any kid should be doing any thing related to either vaping or smoking or anything dealing with that kind of stuff.

00:20:45:08 – 00:20:46:27
Joseph
OK, well, that settles that.

00:20:46:27 – 00:20:49:27
Madison
Then I know that I wasn’t moving.

00:20:49:27 – 00:20:50:02
Joseph
Right.

00:20:50:02 – 00:20:55:09
Madison
Along. I’m sorry. I wasn’t really able to make an entire debate about that. But like.

00:20:56:03 – 00:21:00:27
Joseph
Some things aren’t debatable. I mean, you feel very strongly about this, and I I respect that.

00:21:01:09 – 00:21:21:15
Madison
Yeah, it’s just like smoking in general. No real benefits. Vaping is kind of the same thing, and I’ve heard about all the negative side effects that come from it, and there’s really nothing that makes it better than smoking.

00:21:21:15 – 00:21:25:03
Madison
And I feel like they’re kind of on the same level of don’t do this.

00:21:25:04 – 00:21:40:29
Joseph
Well, what’s interesting is that the vaping kind of came out as an alternative way to quit smoking, where you could use what they term as e-cigarettes and you could put a chemical compound in the cigaret that would vaporize it.

00:21:41:29 – 00:21:52:19
Joseph
And that would help to wean you off of the nicotine addiction of smoking. And then it turned out that people just started using that instead of cigarets because they thought they were healthier.

00:21:53:00 – 00:21:53:11
Narrator
Yeah.

00:21:53:22 – 00:22:17:10
Joseph
And then people started putting additional chemicals in there. They started putting. Certain oils in there that had. Narcotic effects. And what they’re finding now, now that it’s been out long enough to do studies on it is that vaping has its own kind of.

00:22:18:18 – 00:22:32:03
Joseph
Very brutal damage that it does to the lungs, depending on what kind of compounds that you’re trying to vape, some of these things are not meant to be ingested into the lungs. They’re they’re meant like, for instance, you know, CBD oil.

00:22:32:28 – 00:22:56:26
Joseph
You know, there are there are people that that vape CBD oil to get the THC, not CBD, but it’s basically oil that has marijuana oil in it. THC is the chemical compound, and the problem is while they get that euphoric feeling from the drug compound, the solution.

00:22:57:00 – 00:22:57:19
Narrator
That it’s.

00:22:58:22 – 00:23:16:04
Joseph
Diluted into is not something that it’s something that’s very harmful to the lungs. And what people are finding is causing lung disease in teenagers now because of the fact that you’re you’re ingesting an oil into your lungs and it’s coating the inside of your lungs.

00:23:16:14 – 00:23:16:23
Narrator
Mm-Hmm.

00:23:17:11 – 00:23:31:25
Joseph
So I totally agree with you vaping. If you were using it under the direction of a doctor to quit smoking, that’s one thing. If you’re doing either of these things recreationally, it’s not a good thing.

00:23:32:01 – 00:23:32:14
Madison
Yeah.

00:23:32:22 – 00:24:00:24
Joseph
So that was all we had for these two categories. We’re going to take a quick break and we’ll come back and we’ll talk about public policies and politics. Oh boy. Right back. For over seven years, the second Sith empire has been the Premiere Community Guild in the online game.

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00:24:55:01 – 00:25:14:23
Joseph
Welcome back to Insight in the teens and hour part two of our great debates of controversial topics. I’m going to talk about public policies. So question number one is is immigration beneficial or harmful for the United States?

00:25:17:01 – 00:25:43:05
Madison
I guess it can technically be considered as both. Well, one, you’re getting more people into the country and I guess diversifying the country, more, helping the people and also expanding the population. There can also probably come home to that with expanding the population, having to get more food out and maybe higher inflation or something.

00:25:45:03 – 00:25:46:18
Madison
I definitely think like.

00:25:47:01 – 00:26:07:02
Joseph
Just to clarify. Well, my perspective on the question here is legal immigration, not illegal immigration. So should the borders be open for legal immigration, for people to come and refugees, for instance, or people that are just relocating due to the United States from other countries?

00:26:07:21 – 00:26:20:07
Joseph
Not the really controversial debate about illegals that are crossing the border without being processed correctly from immigration. So that might change your answer there.

00:26:20:12 – 00:26:41:23
Madison
OK, well. People that are legally put immigrated into the United States, I feel like they would still. B pretty much beneficial because like one, we’re well. Yeah, I would.

00:26:45:26 – 00:26:47:12
Joseph
Haven’t really given it much thought.

00:26:49:03 – 00:26:55:12
Madison
I don’t know, I guess a fully I don’t fully understand, like I understand what it’s asking.

00:26:55:12 – 00:27:04:11
Joseph
It’s just so all right, let’s it’s worthwhile to have a discussion about that. So this country itself was is basically built on immigrants.

00:27:04:17 – 00:27:04:27
Narrator
Yeah.

00:27:04:27 – 00:27:22:03
Joseph
You know, everything that we’ve done here has been, you know. People that have come from other countries and unfortunately, some of the things we’ve done to the indigenous people as a result of that. Yeah, but. Nowadays that immigration there, you don’t see.

00:27:22:03 – 00:27:22:14
Narrator
The.

00:27:23:02 – 00:27:34:28
Joseph
The waves of immigrants coming over from from Europe to flee famine and oppression and stuff like that. The immigrants that you have coming to us now.

00:27:35:11 – 00:27:35:21
Narrator
Are.

00:27:35:21 – 00:27:54:09
Joseph
You know, they’re coming here for work, they’re coming here for education like they always have. But you’re having a good deal of people coming in as refugees from war torn countries or people that are coming in from countries that have had natural disasters and can’t support their people.

00:27:55:11 – 00:28:07:20
Joseph
So what you have is you have a lot of people that are coming into the country now who aren’t. May or may not be able to support themselves. OK, so that’s one thing.

00:28:08:20 – 00:28:08:27
Narrator
You.

00:28:08:27 – 00:28:17:07
Joseph
Have people that might not be coming in who are educated and ready to come in to take important high paying jobs. You have people are coming.

00:28:17:07 – 00:28:17:17
Narrator
In.

00:28:18:08 – 00:28:37:04
Joseph
A lot of times with absolutely nothing. They they had to leave everything behind. You know, we look at the people that escape the Taliban in Afghanistan, and a lot of those people had to find homes and a lot of different countries took them in the United States being one of them.

00:28:37:25 – 00:28:51:10
Joseph
But when they arrived here, they had almost nothing. They didn’t have jobs, they didn’t have homes. They didn’t have people, they didn’t. While at times they didn’t have family, they could. They could depend on. And as a result, the government has to take care of them.

00:28:51:29 – 00:29:15:07
Joseph
So there’s a certain. I don’t want to say Burden, I think birds are a little too rough, but there’s a there’s a certain cost to bringing in immigrants like that that some people look at it as an immediate detriment to the country because of that, whereas other people look at that as a solid investment.

00:29:16:00 – 00:29:30:01
Joseph
We’re going to save these people. We’re going to do the right thing, we’re going to do the humanitarian thing. We’re going to bring him into the country. We’re going to help them get back on their feet. And then when they get back on their feet, they’re going to be productive citizens in the country here, and it’s eventually

00:29:30:01 – 00:29:49:17
Joseph
going to pay off in the end. You have the fear that when you do stuff like this and you bring mass immigrants in for refugee purposes, that you’re letting terrorists in the door into the country as well. So those are some of the things to consider when you consider what you think.

00:29:49:17 – 00:29:55:18
Joseph
Do you think it’s beneficial or harmful to the United States with knowing all that now? What’s your stance on it?

00:29:57:29 – 00:30:20:28
Madison
Well, knowing all that now, my stance would be. I’m still on like the humanitarian side, like, yes, it would be it. We need we should be helping these people. But I can also understand the financial aspect of the fact that a lot of them we can’t really support themselves unless the government has to support them and thus

00:30:20:28 – 00:30:39:11
Madison
the cost of taking care of them is pretty high. But again, I do feel as though once we help them, they will become productive citizens and I just feel it’s the right thing to do. And it’s kind of in a way worth the cost.

00:30:40:03 – 00:30:43:08
Joseph
And and I think I’m on the same page with you. I think as long.

00:30:43:08 – 00:30:44:08
Narrator
As there’s.

00:30:44:08 – 00:31:05:08
Joseph
A certain burden that decent people have to take on in order to do the right thing and that that comes from everyday stuff from day to day up to the big. Let’s see a country full of people from tyrants, and we always have to make these decisions to do the right thing.

00:31:05:08 – 00:31:26:12
Joseph
And sometimes the right thing can can hurt and sometimes the right thing can cost. And I think in situations like this where you have a mass exodus of people from a certain region or certain country. Good people have to stand up and do the right thing, and sometimes that’s just one country that does that.

00:31:26:12 – 00:31:44:00
Joseph
A lot of times that’s the United States that does that. In this situation here, specifically to speaking to Afghanistan, a lot of countries stepped up, and as long as society in general, not just the United States, but society in general, the world over.

00:31:44:19 – 00:31:44:25
Narrator
As.

00:31:44:25 – 00:32:03:11
Joseph
Long as good, decent people stand up and shoulder that burden and share that burden together. I think it’s manageable. And I think what it does is it promotes. A more enlightened approach, you know, to to countries so that you don’t have.

00:32:04:15 – 00:32:17:16
Joseph
Tyrannical regimes out there, you know, if if the good people aren’t going to support those who stand up to tyrants. Then you’re going to see tyrants everywhere and tyrants need to be stood up, too.

00:32:17:29 – 00:32:18:09
Narrator
Yeah.

00:32:18:23 – 00:32:30:03
Joseph
So if we’re not going to go in and I’m not advocating that we go in and fight these wars for the people that are that are in these tyrannical regimes. But if we’re not willing to at least do our part to support them.

00:32:31:02 – 00:32:48:16
Joseph
And to shelter them and provide them care, then we’re just as bad as the tyrants aren’t, really. Yeah, so so I’m with you on that one. So the next one is another really topical, controversial thing and that has to do with police brutality.

00:32:49:00 – 00:33:20:15
Joseph
So you’ve seen a lot of stuff in the news lately about police and Black Lives Matter and police. Shooting and and violently attacking minorities, and there’s a lot of laws in place that protect police from being prosecuted in situations like this, where you have the George Floyd case where a police officer knelt on his neck and he

00:33:20:15 – 00:33:33:20
Joseph
wound up suffocating and dying as a result of that. So the question here is, should police officers be charged with excessive force in cases of brutality like that? Do you think they should be held accountable in a court of law?

00:33:34:05 – 00:33:57:27
Madison
I mean, yeah, it’s like. Yeah, they should definitely be held with excessive force, because especially if you kill the person and you didn’t even give them a chance to defend themselves in court. Yeah, I definitely think they should be charged with excessive force.

00:33:58:03 – 00:34:18:26
Joseph
So now it’s worth noting that not every case is cut and dry like that. So there are cases where. Use of force is required. OK, so there are certain protocols, certain rules that police officers have to follow. For even drawing their gun, let alone firing it or hitting anybody.

00:34:19:29 – 00:34:44:12
Joseph
So the as long as they work through those rules and they stick to the rulebook. They’re usually not prosecuted. But in situations where. Someone stole a car, it completely theoretical situation. Someone steals a car and they’re racing away from the police and the police get in the car and they chase him and they chase so many crashes

00:34:44:12 – 00:34:51:16
Joseph
the car and he runs away. And while he’s running away, the police shoot him. Is that justifiable?

00:34:53:18 – 00:34:54:22
Madison
Probably not, no.

00:34:55:01 – 00:34:55:12
Narrator
Right.

00:34:56:00 – 00:35:14:13
Joseph
If he turns around with a weapon. Doesn’t fire the angel of the police. Is it justifiable? Then it gets a little grayer if he fires the weapon, but he doesn’t hit a police officer, but he’s firing indiscriminately in a public location.

00:35:15:00 – 00:35:33:22
Joseph
Is that justified? If he fires and he hits a police officer, is it justified to shoot him at that point? Hmm. So these are kind of the things that you have to take into account because there’s that’s one scenario where you’ve got four levels of escalation right there.

00:35:33:24 – 00:35:34:06
Madison
Yeah.

00:35:35:18 – 00:35:51:20
Joseph
And I think really anytime that there’s a situation where there’s a threat of bodily harm to the police or to someone else. You can justify a more energetic response will say.

00:35:51:29 – 00:35:52:11
Madison
Yeah.

00:35:53:22 – 00:35:56:26
Joseph
But at that point in time, can they be held accountable?

00:35:58:23 – 00:36:23:28
Madison
Well. I guess if like something does threaten the safety. I guess using they don’t really like, especially if someone could have been endangered. Yeah, they probably don’t have to be accused for that. But if no one was being harmed and they were just running away, then it’s kind of excessive.

00:36:24:09 – 00:36:48:11
Joseph
OK. That’s I think that’s a very clear distinction. So let’s move on to something that’s not nearly as controversial politics. So should the government be responsible for guaranteeing the protection of your privacy? And now let me preface this by saying when we talk about privacy, we’re talking about.

00:36:49:09 – 00:36:59:27
Joseph
All kinds of privacy. So, you know, you have people that invade your privacy at home looking at your windows, you have digital privacy with people that are snooping on you.

00:36:59:27 – 00:37:00:11
Narrator
And.

00:37:00:26 – 00:37:04:04
Joseph
Following you online. You have public privacy.

00:37:04:04 – 00:37:05:10
Narrator
Where you.

00:37:05:10 – 00:37:19:09
Joseph
May be out of the mall and some creepy guy is following you around. So when I talk about privacy, I’m talking about the grand scheme of privacy on all levels. Should the government be responsible for protecting that?

00:37:20:23 – 00:37:44:05
Madison
I feel on certain levels is when the government should be protecting people’s privacy, like with the whole public scenario. Yes, the government should, especially in public places, they should help respect people’s privacy. But in other, more tighter scenarios.

00:37:45:10 – 00:37:52:06
Madison
It gets a little like, OK, maybe you don’t need to really you shouldn’t involve yourself, I guess.

00:37:52:09 – 00:38:02:18
Joseph
OK. So it’s selective it should be applied selectively. It shouldn’t be one rule fits everything scenario.

00:38:02:20 – 00:38:04:22
Madison
You know, kind of like with police brutality.

00:38:04:28 – 00:38:21:16
Joseph
OK. I could see that. So the last question we have on politics is one that’s not all that relevant now, but it’s something that creeps up in society periodically. And that is, should military service be mandatory for all citizens?

00:38:21:17 – 00:38:36:21
Joseph
Now I ask this because. In the past, we’ve had a draft during times of war in times of police action, I guess I should say where you have to register everyone when you turn 18 has to register for the draft.

00:38:37:02 – 00:38:48:24
Joseph
I think I think everyone does now. I know it’s been so long for me. I don’t remember. I know I did. And that makes you eligible to be called up for a draft during a time of war under certain circumstances.

00:38:50:00 – 00:39:03:12
Joseph
But we have countries like the Soviet Union when the Soviet Union was around, and there’s a lot of other ones. But when you reached a certain age, you were required to join the military for a certain number of years.

00:39:04:02 – 00:39:23:03
Joseph
And that was how they kept their military numbers up. Should that be the case in the United States, where we’re as a as a product of being a citizen in the rights that you’re granted from that should you have to spend two years in a military?

00:39:25:01 – 00:39:34:14
Narrator
I’m. Hmm. Who?

00:39:40:25 – 00:39:43:10
Joseph
You know, you’re going to have to give me more than grunts inside.

00:39:43:11 – 00:39:46:20
Madison
Yeah, this is definitely an interesting one.

00:39:47:22 – 00:39:51:28
Joseph
How would you feel? The government said you had to join the military. We got out of high school.

00:39:52:26 – 00:40:02:23
Madison
I wouldn’t really be too happy because one, I’m still kind of young and too, I really wouldn’t know what to say, where to start. And three, it kind of scares me.

00:40:03:06 – 00:40:08:25
Joseph
OK, so then go on that. Well, how how do you now feel about the government imposing that on people?

00:40:09:14 – 00:40:24:16
Madison
I mean, like imposing it immediately after you’re done with high school? Definitely shouldn’t be something that should be happening. I feel, because a lot of high schoolers don’t like they’re still kind of kids like they might like be close to being adults, but like.

00:40:26:00 – 00:40:29:15
Joseph
Well, being in the military can make you grow up real fast from what I understand.

00:40:29:25 – 00:40:30:23
Madison
And yeah.

00:40:31:20 – 00:40:32:28
Joseph
So you’re not in favor of it?

00:40:33:16 – 00:40:34:16
Madison
Not really.

00:40:34:21 – 00:40:51:01
Joseph
OK. And I can’t say I blame you, I don’t relish the idea of you having to go into the military as soon as you get out of high school either. There’s a lot of benefits to the military. I’m certainly not knocking the military, so don’t send me any hate mail.

00:40:51:08 – 00:40:51:19
Narrator
Yeah.

00:40:53:01 – 00:41:09:21
Joseph
The military has done wonderful things for a lot of people have a lot of friends of mine are former military. I had actually looked at joining when I was in high school. Unfortunately for health reasons, I just I was disqualified.

00:41:09:21 – 00:41:27:19
Joseph
But. I think. There’s definitely benefits to it. From a growth standpoint, but also from a financial standpoint, the government does tend to take care of its soldiers, so it’s not necessarily a bad thing, but it’s not for everyone.

00:41:27:19 – 00:41:33:17
Joseph
And I think a voluntary military force is probably the best way to go at this point in time.

00:41:33:24 – 00:41:35:12
Madison
Yeah, especially during peacetime.

00:41:35:19 – 00:41:35:29
Madison
Mm-Hmm.

00:41:37:05 – 00:41:55:01
Joseph
So that was all we had for our questions. This segment, when we come back, we have religion, we have relationships, and we never did any of the medical ones. I don’t know if we’ll get to those today, but we’ll see how far we get in and what our time looks like will be.

00:41:55:01 – 00:41:56:14
Joseph
When we come back, we’ll be right back.

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00:43:07:01 – 00:43:23:00
Joseph
Welcome back to insight into teens, we are debating some controversial topics and we’re talking religion now. So question number one, are Muslims discriminated the most compared to other religious groups in today’s society?

00:43:25:24 – 00:43:44:21
Madison
I don’t really know. Hmm. I don’t really know technically who would be discriminated against the most Muslims are definitely discriminated against a lot in modern society. But then again, a lot of other religious groups kind of have that similar discrimination kind of like we mentioned.

00:43:45:06 – 00:44:06:17
Madison
Well, you kind of had mentioned last week, there’s still a lot of religious conflict going on between varying religions and. I definitely think that we’re there’s still a lot of discrimination going on, not just with Muslims, but with a lot of.

00:44:08:13 – 00:44:27:26
Madison
Religious groups, and I don’t really I don’t know if there’s like one that’s being discriminated against the most. It’s kind of just like they’re all being discriminated against and I feel we need to put like they’re probably ones that we should probably put more effort into discriminating against less.

00:44:29:24 – 00:44:36:10
Madison
But. Basically, we’re trying to eliminate discrimination of religion in general, so.

00:44:37:09 – 00:44:42:04
Joseph
So everyone gets discriminated against and we should just stop discriminating against everybody.

00:44:42:10 – 00:44:43:26
Madison
Or at least put efforts to.

00:44:44:07 – 00:44:56:23
Joseph
OK. I can’t argue with that. I mean, it’s good logic. So religion is interesting. Over the course of its history, religion has really been used as a control mechanism, at least in my opinion.

00:44:57:18 – 00:44:58:04
Narrator
It gives.

00:44:58:04 – 00:45:01:17
Joseph
People focus and hope and guidance and all that stuff.

00:45:01:23 – 00:45:02:07
Narrator
Too.

00:45:02:22 – 00:45:16:08
Joseph
But for the most part, people have used religion and God in whatever form you you refer to him in. To control people. You know, if you do bad things, you’re going to go to hell. You know, that’s that’s.

00:45:18:13 – 00:45:34:00
Joseph
Really, what religions are being used for and to get people to do things, you know, if if you’re faithful, you’ll go do this in the name of your God? So a lot of times religion is used to control the population and keep the population in check.

00:45:35:11 – 00:45:57:26
Joseph
With the promise of. Otherworldly rewards or punishments, things that normal secular society can’t provide secular societies, you do something wrong, you’re going to go to jail or you do something wrong, you’ll be executed. And religion is used to say, OK, well, when you do something wrong.

00:45:58:28 – 00:46:06:07
Joseph
And you die, you’ll be tortured for eternity by the devil or whatever. And I’m oversimplifying it, of course.

00:46:06:09 – 00:46:06:20
Madison
Yeah.

00:46:07:10 – 00:46:23:21
Joseph
So my question to you is if that’s what religion is being used for for centuries, can you be good without God? Can you be good without religion? Or do you do? Does society need religious guidance in order to be a civilized society?

00:46:25:12 – 00:46:45:01
Madison
I actually think we’d kind of be a little better without it. Again, I’m not. Like thinking about it in that context, I don’t think anyone really needs to believe in a religion entirely like while there can be benefits to it.

00:46:45:16 – 00:47:00:12
Madison
There’s also somewhat detriments and discrimination when it comes to it, and there’s a lot of negatives that seem to be revolving around religion. And I feel that if you don’t really want to be incredibly religious, you can live a fine life without it.

00:47:00:27 – 00:47:10:16
Joseph
OK? I’m not going to argue with you, I feel the same exact way. I think if you’re a decent person, you’re a decent person, doesn’t matter what your religion is.

00:47:10:20 – 00:47:11:00
Madison
Yeah.

00:47:12:01 – 00:47:14:07
Joseph
OK. That’s it for religion, I think we’ve.

00:47:15:00 – 00:47:15:07
Narrator
We’ve.

00:47:15:07 – 00:47:20:02
Joseph
Exhausted one relationships. It’s always a fun one.

00:47:20:11 – 00:47:20:22
Madison
Yeah.

00:47:21:14 – 00:47:28:27
Joseph
So this one’s kind of a one track two questions here. Should same sex marriages be legal?

00:47:30:10 – 00:47:45:29
Madison
Yes, I think they should. I think that if you two feel OK with each other and you both love each other, you should be allowed to marry. It doesn’t really matter what your gender is or what your sex is or something like that.

00:47:46:10 – 00:47:46:27
Joseph
OK.

00:47:47:00 – 00:47:47:12
Narrator
Well.

00:47:47:20 – 00:47:50:00
Joseph
That was that was kind of anticlimactic.

00:47:50:06 – 00:47:50:25
Madison
What do you mean?

00:47:51:10 – 00:48:03:21
Joseph
I was expecting to have a discussion about that, but I agree with you. I don’t think the state or the government or your religious order or whatever it is, should tell you who you can and can’t love.

00:48:04:06 – 00:48:04:16
Narrator
Yeah.

00:48:04:22 – 00:48:18:11
Joseph
And I think, you know, nowadays, marriage, ironically enough, it’s it’s. Traditional marriages that have devalued the institution of marriage over the last 50 years or so.

00:48:18:12 – 00:48:34:11
Madison
Yeah, like you always have the whole thing like, Oh, my wife’s always yelling at me and you have like the boomer mean, like the like baby boomer means of, oh, we have a horrible relationship. And it’s like, yeah, people are finally starting to realize that.

00:48:34:11 – 00:48:36:03
Madison
Yeah, that’s not really good.

00:48:36:19 – 00:48:58:13
Joseph
Well, you just look at the statistics on divorce and you realize that your divorce rates above 50% right now for heterosexual marriage. And it’s like. OK. Well, if the institution of marriage is a 5050 shot. Who are you to say that a same sex couples should be married at that point?

00:48:58:20 – 00:48:59:00
Narrator
Yeah.

00:49:00:09 – 00:49:14:28
Joseph
OK, well, and the last question that we have because we’re not going to do the medical ones today, we’ll save those for a different podcast. This one is should LGBTQ folks be allowed to adopt children?

00:49:15:28 – 00:49:38:13
Madison
I mean, yeah, I feel like anyone who has the ability and the care and want to have and take care of their own child and can’t, for whatever reason, have their own. Yeah, I feel like anyone should be allowed to adopt children as long as you know they’re going to provide them a good life and they’re going

00:49:38:13 – 00:49:39:05
Madison
to care for them.

00:49:40:05 – 00:49:57:07
Joseph
OK. I guess that sums it up there, doesn’t it? I agree. As long as you’re a loving, you know, you’re bringing that child into a loving home and you can care for the child and you can attend to the child’s needs and raise that child to be a decent human being.

00:49:57:25 – 00:50:11:20
Joseph
I don’t think it matters what kind of relationship you have to be in or even if you’re in a relationship. Yeah. You know, being a single parent is difficult, but there are a lot of single parents out there that are absolutely outstanding.

00:50:12:23 – 00:50:21:24
Joseph
So, OK, I kind of thought these were going to be more detailed topics, but I think we we kind of were on the same subject with them.

00:50:21:28 – 00:50:24:23
Madison
I mean, we can try to make it a little more detailed if you want, Oh.

00:50:24:23 – 00:50:34:29
Joseph
I don’t want to. I don’t want to, you know, force the subject itself. Maybe we can, you know, let’s see. We’ve got we’ve got time left. Let’s go on to some of the medical questions since those were so fast.

00:50:35:04 – 00:50:35:15
Narrator
All right.

00:50:35:25 – 00:50:39:25
Joseph
This is a great one. This is this is about as controversial as I think we’ve had so far.

00:50:39:26 – 00:50:40:15
Madison
Yeah.

00:50:40:22 – 00:50:45:03
Joseph
Should vaccinations against COVID 19 be mandatory?

00:50:47:24 – 00:51:10:05
Madison
Oh, boy. Yeah. Yeah, I kind of feel like in certain cases, especially considering it’s been a pandemic. Yeah, it just kind of be mandatory like again, if it’s a health problem or you. I don’t know if I want.

00:51:10:14 – 00:51:23:24
Madison
I don’t know how to phrase the next part, like if it’s a health problem. Find out, just be safe about it. I don’t know how to like, I guess, of your belief system.

00:51:29:06 – 00:51:33:03
Joseph
If they’re controversial topics so you can save as long as you say it cleanly.

00:51:34:10 – 00:52:01:12
Madison
If your belief system doesn’t is like against vaccination, I guess you or it don’t. I feel it needs to be required by and is required to the most people, like the people who don’t like there are different people who don’t believe in it versus like people who just don’t believe in a due to the right.

00:52:01:14 – 00:52:10:22
Joseph
So hang on a second. Let me stop you right there. When you say, don’t believe in it, don’t believe in what that vaccinations are against a religion.

00:52:11:00 – 00:52:11:20
Madison
Like they don’t.

00:52:11:21 – 00:52:14:22
Joseph
Believe in the science. Like what do you mean.

00:52:14:29 – 00:52:18:08
Madison
More the religion? I probably that’s probably the best way I can clarify.

00:52:18:09 – 00:52:31:18
Joseph
Okay, so there are religions out there that don’t think you should be using modern medicine, that it should be a faith based healing type scenario. And I’m not one to tell someone else how to have their own beliefs.

00:52:31:19 – 00:52:50:13
Joseph
But the problem that I have with situations like that is you have a lot of people that are trying to claim religious exemptions for that, but they’ve had other vaccinations where they’ve had other medicines from modern medicine. And it’s like, well, you can’t have both.

00:52:51:14 – 00:52:54:07
Joseph
You know, if you want to live out in the country, you want to.

00:52:54:07 – 00:52:54:24
Narrator
Use.

00:52:56:03 – 00:53:14:20
Joseph
Natural herbs and remedies and stuff like that to keep yourself healthy. More power to you. If you’ve taken any over-the-counter medicine or any prescription medication at any point in time in your life and your economy, and tell me that you don’t believe in vaccines because it’s against your religion, you don’t have a leg to stand on.

00:53:14:27 – 00:53:25:29
Madison
OK, yeah. So it really kind of just depends on who you talk about, but the people that don’t believe in the science. Yeah, they should just get it, just make it mandatory for them.

00:53:26:00 – 00:53:47:12
Joseph
And I’m with you 100%, you know, when when there is statistical evidence to say that vaccines have a clinical effect on reducing the spread and people that I respect that. I’ve known for years are going to come to me and say, I don’t believe I don’t.

00:53:47:19 – 00:53:51:15
Joseph
I choose not to believe that I have a discussion with someone who’s a colleague of.

00:53:51:15 – 00:53:51:27
Narrator
Mine.

00:53:52:22 – 00:54:14:14
Joseph
Sometime back. And the claim that he made was well. Everyone’s saying that Covid’s killing all these people. Well, and it’s not people, it’s people that already had preexisting conditions, that person and I made the point that I have a preexisting condition.

00:54:14:14 – 00:54:32:11
Joseph
I have diabetes and with medication and diet and exercise, my diabetes is under control. If I were to get COVID. And die from a diabetic complication. It wouldn’t be because I had diabetes, because it’s under control, normally it to be because I had COVID.

00:54:33:12 – 00:54:37:03
Joseph
And he looked me in the face and he said, well, why don’t I just don’t believe it?

00:54:37:29 – 00:54:39:02
Narrator
Like, he literally just.

00:54:39:02 – 00:55:06:19
Joseph
Chose not to believe facts. And at that point in time, I’m thinking, well, I can’t have a conversation with you about this anymore because. I I can’t apply logic. I don’t know how to talk the nonsense, and it’s people like that that when you make vaccines mandatory, they’re going to resist it until the end of time.

00:55:08:09 – 00:55:31:20
Joseph
So I personally don’t think vaccines should be mandatory. I think vaccines should be voluntary. Because telling anybody that they have to put a chemical on their body and that goes with all vaccines. I think the vaccines that you have to take for school because you have to take certain vaccinations at certain intervals in order to attend public

00:55:31:20 – 00:55:49:27
Joseph
school. I think they should be voluntary. I think there should be consequences if you don’t. I mean, we obviously believe in the science enough that you had those vaccinations. If you didn’t have those vaccinations, I think the school system would be perfectly within its rights to say that we can’t send you to school.

00:55:50:29 – 00:56:05:15
Joseph
Then it would be incumbent upon us to find an alternative way to educate you that doesn’t require those vaccinations. So I don’t think there should be mandatory there, mandatory to attend a school, and I’m OK with that because if their school, they can make the rules.

00:56:06:29 – 00:56:11:19
Joseph
That’s why I don’t think mandatory vaccines is a good idea for the public in general.

00:56:12:02 – 00:56:12:13
Madison
Okay.

00:56:15:01 – 00:56:23:02
Joseph
All right. Well, one last question and I will call today. And I mean, this might require some definition, you know, euthanasia is.

00:56:23:06 – 00:56:24:21
Madison
Yeah, I actually looked it up for this.

00:56:24:22 – 00:56:33:14
Joseph
OK, good. Should euthanasia be legalized for humans? Basically, should assisted suicide be legal for humans?

00:56:35:13 – 00:56:35:28
Madison
OK.

00:56:38:05 – 00:56:42:15
Madison
Well. For one, it definitely should not be for like.

00:56:43:12 – 00:56:57:08
Joseph
Regular people I know, and this is we’re talking about people who are terminally ill. You know, for instance, I think of my father when it comes to this. My father had terminal cancer the day that he was diagnosed with cancer, he knew he wasn’t going to survive.

00:56:57:08 – 00:57:12:07
Joseph
There wasn’t a treatment that they had that was going to help him because of the type of cancer he had and how far along he had. And he fought it for the sake of, you know, the family, despite knowing he wasn’t going to get any better.

00:57:12:18 – 00:57:30:02
Joseph
And there came a point during that treatment where he was miserable. He was absolutely in agony. He had no decent quality of life. And we basically had to watch him waste away to nothing and die. And it broke my heart to do that.

00:57:30:29 – 00:57:47:04
Joseph
And I talked about my father on on this podcast a lot, I was not particularly close with my father, but to have to see any human being go through that, knowing that they’re suffering and knowing that I can’t legally do anything to ease that suffering.

00:57:47:29 – 00:57:51:14
Joseph
It’s a very difficult position. That’s what we’re talking about. People that are.

00:57:51:15 – 00:57:52:03
Narrator
Terminal.

00:57:52:17 – 00:58:01:15
Joseph
That are suffering that ending their life is a merciful thing for that because of how much their suffering. Should that be legal?

00:58:04:12 – 00:58:33:21
Madison
Yeah, like it sounds like from different perspectives, it can sound worse, but. If there’s absolutely nothing it no other alternatives and there and they could just waste away, and if the option is there to just have them go peacefully instead of in agony because no one would want to have someone just die agonizingly constant pain and.

00:58:35:05 – 00:58:51:12
Madison
If you can just at least grant them the ability to die peacefully as opposed to in complete and utter pain, knowing you can’t do anything else to save them. Yeah, I think it should be legalized for those specific occasions.

00:58:51:24 – 00:58:58:18
Joseph
Okay. And I think we’ll leave it at that as a very heavy topic and on very heavy question and on.

00:58:59:01 – 00:58:59:11
Narrator
Yeah.

00:58:59:24 – 00:59:19:21
Joseph
And I certainly don’t want to make light of it. Suicide is not something that should be considered under any circumstance, really. And, you know, I don’t want to go into too much agonizing detail about that, but this is a very special example of what we’re talking about here.

00:59:20:05 – 00:59:28:20
Joseph
And having lived through that and that decision myself, it’s one that is very. Close to me.

00:59:28:29 – 00:59:29:13
Narrator
You know.

00:59:30:29 – 00:59:32:29
Joseph
So I think we’ll leave it at that. And I think.

00:59:32:29 – 00:59:33:12
Narrator
We’ve.

00:59:34:17 – 00:59:39:02
Joseph
We’ve managed to tread lightly enough through these controversial topics.

00:59:39:20 – 00:59:40:08
Madison
I suppose we.

00:59:40:09 – 00:59:57:25
Joseph
Could. I think we’ve done a very good job of covering some of these and I think maybe we’ll do this again sometime in the future when the political climate change and society changes a little bit. And there’s there’s more topics for controversial topics for us to debate, but I really enjoy these discussions.

00:59:58:06 – 01:00:23:27
Joseph
Me too. Before we go, though, I do want to once again invite you to write in. I’m sorry, I invite you to subscribe to the podcast. You can get audio versions of this podcast. Listeners insights into teens video versions can be found listed as insight to the things on Pandora, Castro, Stitcher, Pod, Bean, Bus, Brown, et cetera

01:00:24:24 – 01:00:42:29
Joseph
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01:00:43:00 – 01:00:59:01
Joseph
At Podcast, It’s in the teens. Com VIDEO Versions of the podcast can be found on the website, podcast and insights into things dot com, where you can find links to all that and much more on our website at insights into things dot com and you.

01:00:59:07 – 01:01:08:17
Madison
And don’t forget to check out our other two podcast insights and entertainment hosted by you and Mommy, and then in the tomorrow, our monthly podcast hosted by you and my brother, Sam.

01:01:08:27 – 01:01:17:17
Joseph
All right, hopefully we’ll be back with a lighter topic next week to lighten things up and have a little bit more fun. But that’s it. Another one of the books.

01:01:17:21 – 01:01:19:01
Madison
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