Insights Into Entertainment: Episode 146 “Help Me Obi-Wan Filoni”

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Insights Into Entertainment: Episode 146 “Help Me Obi-Wan Filoni”
My special guest host today is Sam Whalen, host of our Insights Into Tomorrow Podcast

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Today we’re continuing our discussion from our previous episode about the state of Star Wars 10 years into Disney’s stewardship of the franchise
In today’s episode we’ll take a look at where the two men who have kept the franchise alive and given us A New Hope came from, of course I’m referring to Dave Filoni and Jon Favrau
Then we’ll take a look at the future of the franchise based on recently discussed projects revealed at Star Wars Celebration 2022 in Anaheim

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The Filoni Animation Legacy

Earlier animation work (storyboard artist/Assistant director)
King of the Hill 1997
Mission Hill 1999
The Oblongs 2001
Teamo Supremo 2002
Kim Possible 2003
Fillmore! 2003
Lilo & Stitch: The series 2003
Dave the Barbarian 2004
American Dragon: Jake Long 2005

Early director roles
Avatar: The Last Airbender 2005
Star Wars: The Clone Wars 2008
When he got the call to meet Lucas, he couldn’t believe it.
He actually thought it was a prank.
Filoni agreed to meet Lucas to discuss work with on a 3D-animated project for Lucasfilm Animation
Animation was new ground for Star Wars at the time (hence why he thought it was a prank).
Filoni thought that Lucasfilm Animation was a fake name that was made up to sell the joke.
He was also likely a little in disbelief due to his love of Star Wars himself,
He even said to the producer who called him about that he had a Jedi costume he was making in his garage at the time.
One particular Nickelodeon show Filoni was working on at the time of the call — a show that immediately should clue people in to the fact that he had what it takes to direct an epic about a war in a fantastical universe — is none other than Avatar: The Last Airbender. Arguably one of the best 2000s animated TV shows, Avatar dealt with themes that would become similar to The Clone Wars.

Writing and higher roles
Star Wars: The Clone Wars 2008
Star Wars Rebels 2014
Star Wars Forces of Destiny 2017
Star Wars Resistance 2018
Star Wars: The Bad Batch 2021

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Jon Favreau and Disney

Pre-Star Wars Directing
Iron Man 2008
Iron Man 2 2010
The Jungle Book 2016
The Lion King 2019

Pre-Star Wars Producing
Avengers 2012
Iron Man 3 2013
Avengers: Age of Ultron 2015
The Jungle Book 2016
Avengers: Infinity War 2018
Avengers: Endgame 2019
The Lion King 2019

Star Wars Legacy
Star Wars: The Clone Wars 2010 (Pre Vizsla)
Mandalorian – 2019 Paz Vizsla) and Show Creator/Runner
Disney Gallery: The Mandalorian (documentary) 2020
The Book of Boba Fett (Paz Vizsla) and Show Creator/Runner

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The Future of Star Wars

Movies
Star Wars: Rogue Squadron
In December 2020, it was announced that Patty Jenkins would be leading the charge on Star Wars: Rogue Squadron
An upcoming movie that will follow the famed group of X-Wing pilots featured in various Star Wars books and video games over the years
A group that until the big announcement, had yet to be featured in any film or television property in the franchise.
There has been a ton of news about the project in the year since its announcement, including reports that the movie was put on indefinite hold.
Star Wars: Rogue Squadron is still scheduled for a December 2023 theatrical release, but it remains to be seen if it will keep that date when factoring in Taika Waititi’s planned movie, which is expected to arrive around late 2023 (more on that in a bit).

J.D. Dillard Standalone Movie – TBD
J.D. Dillard, the filmmaker responsible for the 2016 indie sci-fi hit Sleight, has been selected to direct his own Star Wars movie
The news was first reported by The Hollywood Reporter in February 2020, but few details were available at the time.
When the project was first announced, it wasn’t entirely known if the movie would hit theaters or be released as a standalone film on Disney+.

Kevin Feige-Produced Standalone Movie – TBD
One of the most anticipated upcoming Star Wars projects is the Kevin Feige-produced standalone film that was first announced in September 2019.
There aren’t a lot of — or really any — details at this point, but we’re talking about the man who built the Marvel Cinematic Universe from a relatively obscure cast of comic characters to the most successful movie franchise in recent memory.
In a February 2020 conversation with The Hollywood Reporter, Endgame director Joe Russo said that Star Wars was Kevin Feige’s first and true love, adding that Feige’s vision for the franchise will be passionate, emotional, and unique.
And while we’ll probably be waiting on this one for some time, the wait will definitely be worth it.
In January 2021, Deadline revealed that Loki executive producer Michael Waldron was being tasked with writing the film’s script.
Nothing else has been confirmed as of June 2022.

Taika Waititi Standalone Movie – TBD
It was confirmed in May 2020 that Waititi would be making a standalone movie.
There aren’t a lot of details about the still-untitled project at this point in time, but he did say that he and 1917 writer Krysty Wilson-Cairns were in the process of penning the script in July 2020.
The untitled Waititi film was touched upon during Disney’s 2020 Investor call during which Lucasfilm president Kathleen Kennedy described it as “fresh, unexpected, and… unique.”
Waititi had some fun regarding the mystery project on social media after the official Star Wars Twitter account provided a quick update on the project, which pretty much ended with the Thor: Love and Thunder director jokingly saying he was angry about how much he was going to ruin the franchise.
In May 2022, Kathleen Kennedy told Total Film that Waiti’s project is the next Star Wars movie and that they were aiming for a “Late 2023” release.

Rian Johnson Trilogy
There was a great deal of backlash following the release of Rian Johnson’s Star Wars: The Last Jedi, but the franchise is far from done with him.
Prior to the release of Johnson’s 2017 film, Lucasfilm announced that their collaboration with Johnson would continue with the development of an entire new trilogy of movies.
Johnson was quick to shoot down rumors about the mysterious project in December 2019, and there hasn’t been much news on the project since.

Streaming
Andor
Diego Luna is set to reprise his role as rebel spy Cassian Andor in Disney+ series “Andor” which will take place five years before the events of “Rogue One” during the earlier days of the Rebellion.
The series is expected for an August 31 release.
Ahsoka
The character Ahsoka Tano is best known for appearing in the various episodes of the “Star Wars: The Clone Wars” and “Star Wars Rebels” animated series.
Her first appearance on “The Mandalorian” suggested that she might pick up one of the loose threads of “Rebels”: her hunt for the Empire’s Grand Admiral Thrawn, one of the Star Wars Expanded Universe’s fan-favorite villains, dating back to Timothy Zahn’s novel “Heir to the Empire” in 1991.

The Mandalorian Season 3
Yes, Baby Yoda will be back in “The Mandalorian” Season 3.
Following the surprise after credits scene during “The Book of Boba Fett” finale otherwise known as Mandalorian Season 2.5, fans are geared up and ready to see Pedro Pascal back in action as our favorite bounty hunter.
The third installment began filming in October 2021 and will debut in February 2023.

Skeleton Crew
Jude Law is set to lead Jon Watts’ first foray into the “Star Wars” canon.
The series follows the fall of the Empire through the eyes of four children, aged 11 to 12 years old.
The series, previously codenamed as “Grammar Rodeo,” is described as a “galactic version of classic Amblin coming-of-age adventure films of the ’80s.”
Law’s role is not yet announced.

Rangers of the New Republic
The new series will follow a group of X-wing pilots during the same timeline as “The Mandalorian.”
Reportedly, “Rangers of the New Republic” will connect other Disney+ shows like “Ahsoka” and tie in a complete “Star Wars” TV universe, building to an epic crossover event.
After Gina Carano’s departure from the franchise the fate of this series was said to be up in the air.

Lando
While Donald Glover portrayed the younger version of Lando Calrissian (originated by Billy Dee Williams) in “Solo: A Star Wars Story,” it’s unclear yet whether the “Atlanta” star will reprise the role in the Disney+ standalone series.

The Acolyte
Described as “a mystery-thriller that will take the audience into a galaxy of shadowy secrets and emerging dark side powers in the final days of the High Republic era.”
“The Acolyte” will take place in the final days of the High Republic era of the “Star Wars” timeline, centering on a Sith who begins training under an experienced Sith Lord.

A Droid Story
Animated feature “A Droid Story” will combine original “Star Wars” animation with new visual effects from Lucasfilm’s Industrial Light & Magic division.
The film will premiere on Disney+, and introduce a “new hero guided by the iconic duo of R2-D2 and C-3PO on a mission known only to them,”

Tales of the Jedi
Star Wars: Tales of the Jedi will land on Disney+ at some point in Fall 2022.
According to IGN, the new anthology series will tell the stories of Ahsoka and Count Dooku by focusing on different parts of their lives.
On top of that, the upcoming series will also see the return of Liam Neeson’s Qui-Gon Jinn.

Star Wars Visions Season 2
The series will return to Disney+ for a second collection of short animated films at some point in Spring 2023, per a post by the official Star Wars Twitter account.

Young Jedi Adventures
The first full-length animated Star Wars series created specifically for preschoolers will soon be coming to both Disney+ and Disney Junior.
The series will follow younglings as they follow the path of the Jedi in the High Republic era and learn about compassion, self-discipline, and the power of friendship.
An exact release date has not yet been announced, but the series is slated to premiere at some point in Spring 2023.

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Michelle
Insightful podcast by informative host insights into things, a podcast network Welcome to Insights into Entertainment, a podcast series taking a deeper look into entertainment and media your host Joseph and Michelle Whelan, a husband and wife team of pop culture fanatics, are exploring all things from music and movies to television and fandom.

00:00:51:16 – 00:01:05:02
Joseph
Welcome to Insights into Entertainment. This is episode one 46. Help Me Obi-Wan Filoni, I’m your host Joseph Whalen. And my special guest once again today is Sam Whelan.

00:01:05:15 – 00:01:06:01
Sam
Oh, everyone.

00:01:06:06 – 00:01:32:12
Joseph
How are you doing today, Sam? Good. How are you? Good. So we didn’t have a chance to finish our discussion in our last episode. We ran kind of a long, very good discussion, though, but we had to kind of cut our third segment out. So we’re going to kind of expand on that a little bit here today. We’re going to continue that discussion where we were talking about Star Wars, ten years in the Disney stewardship of the franchise.

00:01:33:08 – 00:01:55:05
Joseph
In today’s episode, we’re going to take a look at the two men who kept the franchise alive and giving us a new hope unintended And of course, I’m referring to Dave Filoni and Jon Favreau. Then we’re going to take a look at the future of the franchise based on recently discussed projects that were revealed during Star Wars celebration in Anaheim.

00:01:55:26 – 00:02:21:27
Joseph
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Joseph
Are we ready? Yes.

00:02:53:09 – 00:02:54:00
Sam
Let’s get into it.

00:02:54:00 – 00:03:33:03
Joseph
Let’s get in So before we dig too deep into where we’re going with Star Wars, I thought it would be worthwhile to kind of go back and take a look at the two men I think that have have been attributed to reviving and keeping the franchise alive. And the first being they Filoni. Filoni itself himself has gone back in animation back in the mid late nineties, working on things like King of the Hill, the Oblong Impossible, Lilo and Stitch, the series.

00:03:33:03 – 00:03:55:25
Joseph
So he’s had interactions with Disney through his animation. But the one big project that he really worked on and I think that established him because he was moving from a writer role and animation work into into directing. And that’s Avatar. The Last Airbender. Yup. 2005. You used to familiar with that challenge.

00:03:55:25 – 00:04:12:00
Sam
Yeah, it’s one of my favorite animated shows, shows of all time, not just animated. I actually did a recent rewatch of it probably within the last year or two. It’s a fantastic show and you really can see it’s not like it’s not just a kid show. I wouldn’t even say it’s a kid’s show at all. It deals with some heavy stuff.

00:04:12:00 – 00:04:31:08
Sam
There’s really cool action in it, really cool themes and it was one of the first shows I remember when I was growing up watching thinking, Okay, this is different. This is what the animation medium can be, and this is what storytelling can be in a lot of ways where it’s, you know, it’s complicated. But also at the end of the day, it’s very simple and it tugs at your heartstrings and it really connects with you.

00:04:31:16 – 00:04:40:04
Sam
And I think that as we go through and we see what Filoni does, what Star Wars, you can see a lot of his strength in Avatar that hasn’t translated into Star Wars with similar storytelling techniques.

00:04:40:13 – 00:04:57:17
Joseph
Yeah. And from Avatar, he move on into the Lucasfilm world with with Bow Wars in 2008. And it’s funny, he had relayed a very interesting story when he got the call to meet Lucas he didn’t believe it because he was a huge Star Wars thing.

00:04:57:18 – 00:04:57:29
Sam
Yeah, I’ve heard.

00:04:57:29 – 00:05:19:17
Joseph
The story to begin with. Yeah. And he thought it was a prank. So he agreed to meet Lucas to discuss a 3D animated project for Lucasfilm. Animation. Well, animation was new ground for Star Wars at the time, so he assumed that was there to kind of feed the prank a little bit. And Lucasfilm animation didn’t even exist as far as he knew.

00:05:19:17 – 00:05:45:21
Joseph
It was a brand new division of Lucasfilm. So when he went to go meet with him, he wound up telling one of the members, one of the producers during the call that, Oh, you know, I’m in the process of building my own Jedi costume in my garage at the time. Now, you know, he’s my age. So he was in 97 what, 30 years ago now?

00:05:45:21 – 00:05:49:25
Joseph
Almost 20 years ago. The master map is 20.

00:05:49:25 – 00:05:50:03
Sam
Years.

00:05:50:11 – 00:06:18:11
Joseph
20 years ago. So he’s in his early to mid twenties All right. So I can relate to that because I was going through the same types of things and there was this lull in Star Wars and everybody wanted to see more Star Wars after, you know, the, the rerelease of the anniversary edition and stuff like that. So it was kind of funny that he really didn’t believe that he was being given this opportunity.

00:06:19:07 – 00:06:35:17
Joseph
But what really caught George as I was his work on Avatar, because so many of the themes that they wind up dealing with in Clone Wars, they dealt with in Avatar. What are some of the parallels from the two shows that you you really see his handiwork?

00:06:35:28 – 00:06:54:04
Sam
Yeah. I mean, Star Wars in general, there’s always a theme of found family, you know, especially if you get into Rebels and Clone Wars. The idea of that family doesn’t necessarily have to be blood, but the people that you find along the way that then become your family, that’s a very big thing in Avatar. The idea of like the sins of parents kind of influencing their children.

00:06:54:04 – 00:07:13:12
Sam
You get that an avatar with Zuko and his father and then in Star Wars with obviously Luke and Vader. But there’s I mean, I’m trying to I feel like there’s another big one I missing. But really, the fan family thing is like the big thing and felonious ability to really capture this tight knit group of people that you know, would do anything for each other.

00:07:13:14 – 00:07:32:21
Sam
And that’s more rebels, which I think he actually pitched rebels before. Clone Wars. Clone Wars is kind of more expensive. We still have that core group of, you know, Addict and Obi-Wan and eventually Ahsoka. But yeah, I think fully his ability really to really get down to the heart of things and and tell those stories is kind of what made him the guy going into this.

00:07:33:01 – 00:07:57:09
Joseph
Yeah. And it’s a it’s interesting. You mentioned the overarching theme, of course, was always was originally a George Lucas concept that came out of Attack of the Clones, Return of the Jedi, stuff like that. Lucas wanted to tell that story that he couldn’t tell in between the films. And that first season was really a lot of what he wanted to do with that.

00:07:58:00 – 00:08:19:05
Joseph
After that first season was shooting when he kind of gave the reins to Filoni at that point. And then you really start to see the series get deeper and more character development. I mean, it’s really hard to take an army of people that are the same person and make them all distinctive, and every episode did exactly that.

00:08:19:05 – 00:08:38:24
Sam
Yeah, yeah. I mean, one of the things and I’ll probably hit on it again, but that Clone Wars does so well is that it takes these genre stories of Westerns. I think I’d said in the last episode Westerns and noir and crime dramas and all these different things and puts it in Star Wars, and that’s where a lot of the best arcs and Clone Wars comes from is, you know, Star Wars doesn’t always have to be about the Skywalkers.

00:08:38:24 – 00:08:56:17
Sam
It doesn’t always have to be about, you know, the same like three things over and over again, which is where you get some of the feelings in the movies because they’re so, you know, hamstrung by these these couple of topics. But in Clone Wars, because it’s a TV show and you have more time to stretch it out, you can cover so many different themes and topics and storytelling devices.

00:08:56:29 – 00:09:15:10
Joseph
Yeah. And I remember when Clone Wars came out, they had talked about how they’re going to distinguish the personalities of the clones and and the big thing that they they kind of latched onto was, oh, they’re going to have different hairstyles. And it was like, that’s really not going to cut it. Yeah. And that’s what the first season was.

00:09:15:10 – 00:09:31:21
Joseph
It was this guy’s got a Mohawk and this guy’s got a buzzcut, and it was like they were all the same person. And really that first season, it wasn’t until Filoni really started to get involved with it that you started to find out that they were all distinct personalities. It wasn’t just a haircut.

00:09:31:23 – 00:09:48:22
Sam
Yeah. And two things I want to mention that I think in the first season we get the episode rookies, which is where it’s all about the clones and we get I’m blanking on all the Star Wars fans are going to bash me, but we get that original team of clones that we eventually follow for the entire show, and that’s when you start to get their different personalities.

00:09:49:08 – 00:10:11:25
Sam
And I want to shout out Bradley Baker, who does The Voice for All the Clones. He’s like, Riddick Ellis. If you watch Bad Batch does all the voices there. He does all the voices of all the clones. And the more opportunities they give him to do it, the better he gets at it. Because you mentioned the haircut thing, but it really is the vocal performance, too, of of Baker giving each of these individual people who look the same, you know, aside from cosmetic differences.

00:10:12:07 – 00:10:24:28
Sam
But who has the same face distinct personalities just through the vocal performance. And if you if you have any interest in animation and voice acting, it’s like a masterclass in what you can do just by a little, you know, changes to your voice.

00:10:25:01 – 00:10:42:04
Joseph
Yeah, it is great. And in fact, when we were down a couple of years back at Star Wars celebration in Orlando, they did a continuing it was a continuing storyline that they were doing that was a on stage read through.

00:10:42:13 – 00:10:43:00
Sam
Oh, wow.

00:10:43:01 – 00:10:44:28
Joseph
And he participated in that.

00:10:44:28 – 00:10:45:17
Sam
He was there.

00:10:45:18 – 00:10:56:14
Joseph
Yeah, it was it was fantastic to see these guys up on stage, all the voice actors doing a read through of this story. It was incredible. You probably find that on YouTube still.

00:10:56:14 – 00:10:57:16
Sam
Yeah, that would have been awesome.

00:10:57:16 – 00:11:20:12
Joseph
Wow. Yeah, it was. It was a great experience to actually see that and and to see how they work together. Because it’s not even like because when they do the show, they’re recording their dialog in separate, you know, studio sessions and stuff like that. But when they’re up on stage, they’re riffing off of each other. You know, they’re looking at the person that they’re actually reading the dialog tone and they’re almost emoting it out.

00:11:20:12 – 00:11:34:10
Joseph
I mean, they’re sitting on, on chairs and stuff like that. They’re not acting out, but you can see the emotion on their faces when they do this. And when he changes characters, you can see a change in his posture as he’s doing a different character.

00:11:34:10 – 00:11:52:27
Sam
It reminds me of Andy Circus for all you, Lord of the Rings fans out there. He did an interview recently on Colbert where he was talking about recording the audio books for Lord of the Rings, which are very good if you want to check them out. But he was talking about because he does all the voices. So he was talking about and he was physically demonstrating how when he does Gollum it was he has two personalities.

00:11:52:27 – 00:12:09:02
Sam
He’ll go from one side of the mic to the other to do the different aspects of the personality. And it’s things like that where like, I know, I just I’m like such a nerd for like voice acting and things like that because I just think it’s so it’s so cool and it’s so impressive. And this shows the example that Clone Wars and like with most things that the show gets better as it goes.

00:12:09:12 – 00:12:27:19
Sam
And not just Bradley Baker, but actually Jonathan is. So Caetano James, I was going to look up the other two names of Aniket, and they’ll be one, but they’re also great because it’s, you know, it’s not Hayden Christensen and. Right. Ewan McGregor, it’s they got new actors and in some aspects I think they do a better job than than Hayden.

00:12:27:19 – 00:12:31:08
Sam
And and you ended at some points, especially Obi-Wan, I think Obi-Wan’s voice is awesome.

00:12:31:14 – 00:12:49:08
Joseph
Well, and part of that is the fact that there’s so much more character development that happens over this time. You’ve got so much more freedom to express emotions and and regret and develop into that character that you don’t have that level of freedom in a two hour movie.

00:12:49:09 – 00:13:03:02
Sam
Yeah. Matt Lanter is Anakin Skywalker and James Arnold Taylor is Obi-Wan. And I want to make sure I get those names right. Also, a bunch of other people. Corey Burton is Count Dooku is like one of the best voices in the show. Yeah, it’s great. And you should all go watch it.

00:13:03:02 – 00:13:08:05
Joseph
Just to confirm, it was season one. Episode five was rookies.

00:13:08:05 – 00:13:23:03
Sam
Yeah. So I mean, season one is definitely rough and definitely it can be like you’re like, Okay, do I really want to watch more of this? But episodes like rookies really are like, okay, there’s, there’s potential here. Sure. And is it a coincidence that when George leaves, that the quality goes up? I don’t know. You know, I don’t want to bash him too hard, but.

00:13:23:11 – 00:13:25:16
Joseph
You know, George was never famous for his dialog.

00:13:25:16 – 00:13:40:24
Sam
Right. Exactly. So I think if you can you don’t have to you know, you can cherry pick some episodes from season one. And I would say you could probably skip the whole movie. I don’t know if you want to cover the movie, but the movie was rough. It’s only kind of worth it to see a soap get introduced.

00:13:40:24 – 00:13:49:28
Sam
But she’s also unbearable in that movie. But she’s unbearable at the beginning. But then by the end, it makes her character progression even better. So. And Rex, do we get Rex in that movie? Who’s great?

00:13:50:11 – 00:13:54:00
Joseph
Yes, we do. And I’ll reserve judgment on and.

00:13:54:23 – 00:13:57:07
Sam
Yes, we’ve had discussions about Asoka.

00:13:57:07 – 00:14:09:21
Joseph
The jury for me is still out My biggest thing with the Circle, she was a character that should have existed. The only reason she existed was to appeal to a certain demographic for the TV show. That was all she was created.

00:14:10:02 – 00:14:20:22
Sam
I mean, in Fellini’s pitches for what was going to be rebels, George Hand picked out A and was like, Hey, we should have her. Of all the characters he pitch, he picked Asoka and was like, Hey, let’s, let’s develop her. And then they did.

00:14:20:23 – 00:14:41:14
Joseph
The problem that I have with that is canonically, how do you go through the entire episode three of Revenge of the Sith? He’s still a Padawan in Revenge of the Sith. How do you go through all of that? Or He’s an apprentice, or he’s not a pal, he’s an apprentice. How do you go through that? He’s never made a master.

00:14:41:14 – 00:14:51:19
Joseph
He never talks about never mentions that he’s had this Padawan that went through, what, three years of the clone wars and all this stuff, and you never mention that. Well, if you.

00:14:52:14 – 00:14:54:09
Sam
So they kind of tried to fix it lol.

00:14:54:09 – 00:14:55:26
Joseph
They did a terrible job.

00:14:55:26 – 00:15:13:11
Sam
Retconning that with the last season. The clone wars where you get the the animated version, The Revenge of the Sith. And you see, I don’t know. I think it’s good because you get like because you know what’s going to happen. And again and it makes a Sokka like a tragic character because she cares about him so much and it’s like and then George picked her out of a lineup after he made all the movies.

00:15:13:11 – 00:15:13:21
Sam
All right.

00:15:13:29 – 00:15:18:17
Joseph
And that’s the problem as they try to shoehorn her into a storyline after they had a story.

00:15:18:22 – 00:15:50:01
Sam
All The Clone Wars is that though it’s we have to go back and rhetoric, which will I mean, that’s kind of a thing Filoni does is he tries, he takes what are the movies and tries to make them better with TV shows. And he did that with warm words where the prequels are of just better if you watch Clone Wars because you get you know, it’s not just one elevator conversation between Anika and Obi-Wan it’s multiple, multiple interactions where you really believe that these guys are friends and and it makes and the clones in general, you really care about the clones and when all 66 happens in that final season, it’s like it’s really heartbreaking, especially

00:15:50:01 – 00:15:51:01
Sam
for what happens to a soldier.

00:15:51:08 – 00:16:02:00
Joseph
Absolutely. That I will agree with. However, the one area that he failed to do any justice to in Clone Wars for the movies was Jar Jar. Jar Jar was still gnawing.

00:16:02:08 – 00:16:09:20
Sam
At the end. Jar Jar gets one arc with Mace Windu. That’s not awful, but everything else kind of is he gets one arc.

00:16:09:20 – 00:16:13:19
Joseph
I still think Jar Jar is a secret Sith Lord who started the whole thing.

00:16:13:19 – 00:16:18:07
Sam
Hey, George said Jar Jar was the key to all of this so we can take that over one.

00:16:19:06 – 00:16:50:05
Joseph
So. All right. So he moves often. Clone Wars does a fantastic job with that. He gets his rebels, which I like rebels. I think rebels work very well. I think it wound up falling into that same soul siloing issue that Star Wars tends to do, where you have this entire galaxy and this whole thing takes place basically on one planet now before and it’s not a particularly compelling planet now.

00:16:50:05 – 00:16:51:04
Sam
It’s just like a field.

00:16:51:14 – 00:16:54:05
Joseph
Right? Like there’s there’s literally nothing there.

00:16:54:05 – 00:16:56:02
Sam
Until the final season when everything’s.

00:16:56:02 – 00:17:15:04
Joseph
There, right? So that’s kind of where it was. It was a stretch for me and it kind of fell off. And but one thing they did that was really good with that was they gave you the expansion of the understanding of the force. Yeah. You know, when they when they they try to do that in Clone Wars with the father daughter.

00:17:15:04 – 00:17:16:23
Joseph
Yeah. Well, I forget the name of it starts with.

00:17:16:23 – 00:17:17:20
Sam
An end mortis.

00:17:18:01 – 00:17:42:20
Joseph
Mortis. Yes. Yes. That was interesting because they actually tried to tie that into the novel. That were happening at the time with, oh, Legacy of the Jedi novels, I think it was. And they had this ultimate villain and she was associated with the father and, and all that stuff. Very interesting. She shows up as one of the one of the monster villains in Star Wars roleplaying.

00:17:42:20 – 00:17:50:23
Joseph
Oh, really? Five SWW, huh? That’s neat. He does that. He does forces of destiny, which was the.

00:17:51:11 – 00:17:54:08
Sam
I can I talk about rebels a little bit because rebels, you know, I would just.

00:17:54:11 – 00:17:54:22
Joseph
Get right.

00:17:54:25 – 00:17:55:11
Sam
I noticed.

00:17:55:11 – 00:17:56:03
Joseph
That it was kind of.

00:17:56:03 – 00:18:11:20
Sam
Blow through rebels. Rebels is definitely worth watching I think in a lot of regards it’s on the same tier we talked you know we spoke very high of the clone wars. But I think rebels is right there. I mean rebels the problem rebels is it’s like a kid show in the beginning and it does. Yeah which like is that a Filoni thing?

00:18:11:20 – 00:18:14:16
Sam
Is it like a network thing? Who knows? I think it’s a network thing.

00:18:14:17 – 00:18:36:26
Joseph
Well, let me stop you there for a second, because I read the prequel novels before this that introduced the characters. Okay. They are not kid friendly. Yeah. Like he’s this, like, addled former drug addict and he’s working in the underworld. He sees her and has a crush on her. I like it’s really off the wall. Okay. And then when I saw the series, I was like, wait a second.

00:18:37:00 – 00:18:41:22
Joseph
These aren’t even the same characters. That they introduced. So that was kind of a shock for me.

00:18:41:22 – 00:19:02:22
Sam
Yeah, I can imagine. That’s definitely the biggest. The hampering of it is that it is a kid’s show for a lot of it, but it also does I mentioned it earlier with that found family thing, and that’s something you don’t really get a lot in Clone Wars, but the crew of the Ghost is like a family, and it’s almost from the very beginning and it’s really, really genuine and you get a lot of really good moments and every character gets their own arcs and things like that to really flesh them out.

00:19:02:22 – 00:19:21:10
Sam
And it’s, it’s really I think that’s cool. I also like the original trilogy error even though the art style on that show is weird because I tried to do like the rough McQuarrie stuff, but like that just doesn’t translate to animation very well. So if you look up a photo of like Yoda, he looks like a monster, like more of a monster than he actually looks like.

00:19:22:12 – 00:19:38:10
Sam
I would definitely say Watch Rebels, especially if you liked Clone Wars and you want kind of more of that similar storytelling season two’s really good. We get Ahsoka back and we get a Soca Vader fight and it’s really cool. It’s like one of the coolest finales I’ve ever seen in the show. But yeah, definitely don’t just skip by Rebels I would say definitely check it out.

00:19:38:15 – 00:19:39:29
Joseph
Okay, so I wants to the.

00:19:41:27 – 00:19:43:14
Sam
Force of the destiny we can skip because I didn’t want.

00:19:43:15 – 00:19:54:17
Joseph
That. Well, Forces of Destiny was more a marketing campaign than anything else. They had to come up with some stories to sell some toys, and that’s really what Forces of Destiny was. And it was great, catered to to young girls and stuff like that.

00:19:56:25 – 00:19:59:07
Joseph
I don’t really have much to say for the best of the.

00:19:59:22 – 00:20:01:12
Sam
Same thing with the next show too. I also didn’t watch.

00:20:01:12 – 00:20:22:01
Joseph
This resistance was terrible. Oh, the animation was terrible. The storylines. This was one of the things that they tried to do to bridge the gap from Return of the Jedi to Force Awakens, and it was just it was just awful. It really was. I mean, this is one of the ones where Filoni kind of slow fathoms. It fell flat or.

00:20:22:01 – 00:20:22:07
Joseph
Yeah.

00:20:23:00 – 00:20:30:28
Sam
Well, yeah, I like I said, I never checked either of those two shows out but I mean, I’m sure someone had a good time animating it, so hopefully they got something out of it.

00:20:30:29 – 00:20:34:17
Joseph
Well, there you go. And then we have Clone Wars two, otherwise known as the bad batch.

00:20:36:14 – 00:20:51:21
Sam
I talked very highly about bad batch last week. Maybe not very highly. It’s good. It’s more Clone Wars, I guess. Like Clone Wars, too. You get characters from Clone Wars and Rebels. It kind of becomes a thing that they do now or it’s a cameo first, but you get more D Bradley Baker crushing it as all the clones.

00:20:51:21 – 00:21:07:23
Sam
You know, Rick Tech, he doesn’t do Amiga. That’s somebody else. Yeah, I forget her name, but it’s another it’s a young girl or woman. But yeah, if you liked the family aspect of rebels and the the action e war tale of Clone Wars, it’s kind of like a merging of those two things.

00:21:08:14 – 00:21:37:00
Joseph
Yes. That that I would tend to agree with and bad batch I think is is pretty good the only thing complain I have a bad batch and you and I disagreed on this last week is how much they devoted the last season of Clone Wars to setting this up as a as an offshoot. They wasted a lot of episodes that they could have used to really wrap up that that story arc better than they did because they wasted a lot of episodes of that last season.

00:21:37:00 – 00:21:39:00
Joseph
The Clone Wars that they brought back. Yeah.

00:21:39:00 – 00:21:47:07
Sam
I mean, they could it was I think they wasted way more time with the rather absolute Rafa. And I forget her sister’s name, but those people that show up in bed that.

00:21:47:12 – 00:21:51:22
Joseph
Yeah, yeah. They got a reusable yeah. Well, they spent all that time animating and some.

00:21:51:29 – 00:22:00:25
Sam
Especially that with like this is it like a circus back and like we see where a sock has been in and she’s hanging out. There’s like wacky adventures with these two sisters. It’s like, what are we why?

00:22:01:00 – 00:22:07:05
Joseph
And that was awful. It almost felt like an extension of forces of destiny. The way that it went down. That’s really going to kill.

00:22:07:05 – 00:22:23:20
Sam
All the stuff with a bad batch. And I, like I said, we talked about the last week, but those episodes were like basically already scripted and made and blocked. So I think that they were in there because, you know, we had already shown the fences and people are going to expect that would mean if we’re going to give it the full budget that this final season got, which is why it looks awesome.

00:22:23:26 – 00:22:26:24
Sam
In terms of visuals and animation quality. It’s like a huge step up.

00:22:27:04 – 00:22:32:07
Joseph
See, the problem I have there is you’re once again, you’re retconning, like, okay, the bad batch.

00:22:32:17 – 00:22:33:20
Sam
Like X-Men right?

00:22:33:20 – 00:22:51:25
Joseph
Like how were they never mentioned before? They they come in to Clone Wars with this reputation of being like the A-Team and you’ve never seen them before. You’d never heard of them before. They don’t show up on any kind of news feeds. Nothing. They just they just come in with this reputation. Well, this.

00:22:51:25 – 00:22:52:11
Sam
Is what happens.

00:22:52:11 – 00:22:53:09
Joseph
We’re supposed to believe when.

00:22:53:11 – 00:23:07:11
Sam
Everything’s a prequel and we never move forward when we’re constantly bacteria trading to fill in gaps. This is what’s going to happen. It’s inevitable when when the movies are the blueprint, and then we try to fill in every possible second of the timeline with new characters. There’s just not a whole lot you can do.

00:23:07:11 – 00:23:10:14
Joseph
And I get that, and I accept it. I just don’t like it.

00:23:11:02 – 00:23:13:22
Sam
We tried moving forward and no one like that, so.

00:23:14:23 – 00:23:23:28
Joseph
Well. All right, so let’s take a quick break, and we’re going to come back and kind of do a recap on on Happy when we come back. We’ll be right back.

00:23:32:07 – 00:24:02:12
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00:24:45:19 – 00:24:48:09
Sam
It’s the large looming shadow of the mouse.

00:24:48:14 – 00:25:13:28
Joseph
So so ten years in you know, since they’ve been around it and we’re talking about where they came with it. And the other person who seems to be the man of the hour with with resurrecting Star Wars and keeping it going is Jon Favreau who started out with Disney back in 2008 directing Iron Man and portraying Happy Hogan in Iron Man.

00:25:14:22 – 00:25:21:04
Joseph
And he had a rather storied career with with Marvel What are your candid thoughts on Jon?

00:25:21:28 – 00:25:37:05
Sam
Yeah, I looked ahead at the notes and I saw that we were talking about Jon Favreau. I’m not a big Jon Favreau guy. I don’t think he’s that talented of a director. I think he’s you know, I use the phrase Disney hack off air, you know, maybe. But I like Iron Man, the first one. He also did a movie called Chef.

00:25:37:05 – 00:25:55:08
Sam
That’s pretty good. He stars and directed that. Those movies are good. I just I don’t know. You look at like we have the list here. Iron Man to no one likes that movie. Jungle Book, The 2016 remake, The Lion King 2019 remake. Like both of those movies just felt like such like corporate kind of cash grabs especially Lion King because the.

00:25:55:08 – 00:25:58:03
Joseph
Live action remakes that were 99%.

00:25:58:03 – 00:26:07:22
Sam
CGI. Oh yeah oh yeah that’s a whole another they’re not Live-Action they’re just not they’re animated okay just because it looks like a real lion which it doesn’t it doesn’t make it live action they didn’t like cast a lion.

00:26:08:10 – 00:26:08:20
Joseph
It doesn’t.

00:26:08:20 – 00:26:23:27
Sam
Matter. The Lion King especially was like a personal offense to me because I’m a big fan of the original movie and like, the new one was just so I didn’t watch it. So you can disregard my opinion if you like, but like it just so soulless, you know? And I think it’s like the epitome of Disney as a corporate machine.

00:26:23:27 – 00:26:26:21
Sam
And I think Jon Favreau is on the front of that face of.

00:26:26:21 – 00:26:29:08
Joseph
It because they didn’t have the songs in it. That’s why they only.

00:26:29:08 – 00:26:39:18
Sam
Have like for the song and reason. They redid him and they were awful. Anyway, you know, I’m sure you know, Jon Favreau, he made his money. He’s a very successful guy. And, you know, I’m happy for him for that.

00:26:40:06 – 00:27:08:14
Joseph
Happy. I got it. Yeah. So what about producing? So producing, they did pretty much everything with with Marvel so far. He’s been involved with Avengers, Iron Man, Infinity War, Endgame, Age of Ultron, do you think that has happened with Marvel has been worthwhile, has it, as he contributed to it, as he detracted from it? You know, they keep him in it.

00:27:08:14 – 00:27:10:00
Joseph
So he must be doing something right.

00:27:10:01 – 00:27:23:20
Sam
Yeah, I think in a lot of ways he’s similar to Filoni where if you look at a lot of behind the scenes stuff and, you know, it’s all manufactured to take it with a grain of salt anyway, but Favreau seems like he is a fan of the Marvel source material. And when he gets to do stuff with Star Wars, he seems like he’s a fan of that source material too.

00:27:23:29 – 00:27:26:21
Sam
And even if he is, you know, the corporate shill, I make him out to be.

00:27:27:03 – 00:27:30:16
Joseph
A if even if he doesn’t hold back, I don’t think you really feel.

00:27:30:17 – 00:27:43:14
Sam
Even if he’s a little bit of a fan, that’s going to translate at some point. He’s not someone that’s totally unfamiliar with these properties coming in trying to shoehorn it into whatever story he wants to tell. He respects the source material and he goes also, you know, he’s found a way to adapt it to a whole new audience.

00:27:43:14 – 00:27:44:12
Sam
So there’s credit.

00:27:44:12 – 00:28:09:27
Joseph
There. So as a fan, he did participate in Clone Wars as the voice of Previously. Yeah. Which actually he told an interesting story about this. He was on set doing some some post work for Iron Man two at the time and was invited to come in and do the voice for and all of a sudden he adopted that that persona moved forward in the, in the shows.

00:28:10:18 – 00:28:30:17
Joseph
Then they bring him back into the Mandalorian. Now everyone kind of really got juiced about Jon Favreau because of what he did with the Mandalorian. What are your thoughts on. Obviously, you’re not a huge fan of his Marvel work or his other Disney movie work. How does he know in Star Wars?

00:28:31:05 – 00:28:46:06
Sam
I’m a big fan. The Mandalorian, I talked about that last week. It’s like I think it’s the best modern Star Wars thing to come out of, of this whole, you know, the acquisition and everything. I think it’s the most promising thing going forward of what we can do with this universe. And it’s, you know, Favreau has been a big part of that.

00:28:46:06 – 00:29:00:23
Sam
And, you know, I give him a ton of credit for that because it’s kind of like what he did with Ironman, where the on this is the guy for this universe going forward. And we’re going to center things around him and have his that property be like the thing. And I think Farrah is good at that. And I think he you know, he did it again with Star Wars.

00:29:00:23 – 00:29:08:11
Joseph
So now, did you ever get a chance to watch the Disney Gallery document like a documentary on the Mandalorian?

00:29:08:11 – 00:29:08:27
Sam
I did not.

00:29:09:10 – 00:29:27:04
Joseph
That’s that’s worth watching because he hosted it and he kind of does all the interviews with all the other directors because remember, Mandalorian season one was directed by five different actors, so it wasn’t him directing everything. He was really this the showrunner for more than anything.

00:29:27:05 – 00:29:35:06
Sam
Okay. So I was thinking of something else. I did watch a couple of these. I didn’t watch all of them, but I did watch a couple of these episodes because I remember that’s where you get a lot of the behind the scenes.

00:29:35:06 – 00:29:36:12
Joseph
Stuff that I. Yeah, yeah.

00:29:36:12 – 00:29:46:29
Sam
So those are those are fun to watch, especially like hearing the, the Filoni one. I remember being really good because he talks about like, you get you know, he’s just a fan. So it’s like two fans is talking about Star Wars. Yeah. But yeah, I do remember those now.

00:29:47:04 – 00:30:18:13
Joseph
And I and I have to say that’s probably where the, the magic really happens is if these guys also bring an element that’s that’s contributory towards the success. But I think the two of these guys together as a team are what really have made this what it is. Filoni kind of had this early on when he had that that mentor mentee relationship with Lucas and and he was he was kind of like the junior George type thing.

00:30:18:28 – 00:30:30:21
Joseph
But I think the relationship that that Favreau and Filoni have together is more they play off of each other’s strengths. And I think that’s really where a lot of that value comes from. What are your thoughts?

00:30:30:24 – 00:30:51:19
Sam
Yeah, definitely. I mean, especially if it’s, you know, if Favreau is more of the business side of things, you know, having a background in producing and directing and, you know, having a foothold in the corporate world of things that Disney for better or worse, I think that that could be an asset when you’ve got a creative like Filoni that can do the writing and the story blogging and things like that, putting those together, that’s how you get things made at the end of the day.

00:30:51:19 – 00:31:09:26
Joseph
So and I think ultimately that’s where we’re we’re kind of at with the situation here that we’re at now. I mean, we’ve got a book about whether it was a collaboration between the two of them, which that was probably not the best thing that came out of it up until about episode five.

00:31:10:00 – 00:31:10:28
Sam
Or whenever the Mandalorian show.

00:31:10:29 – 00:31:37:15
Joseph
The Mandalorian season 2.5 star The one thing I think that we get from the two of these guys is that we don’t get from the movies that we saw in the sequel movies is there’s an appreciation for the history and for the legacy. You know, they’re constantly trying to put little pieces in that connected back to the original series.

00:31:38:05 – 00:31:58:14
Joseph
You know, I went crazy when the Mandalorian lands on Tatooine in season one and a little red R five, Droid comes out with the scorch marks from the blown motivator from a new hope. And I pointed it out when we were watching it to the rest of the family and they’re like, Oh yeah, whatever. You’re just sort of making this up.

00:31:58:14 – 00:32:09:08
Joseph
And then in the documentary, he talks about that specific. Oh, really? Yes, that’s cool. And he insisted that they actually put that on there so that you would be able to tell that that was where he came from.

00:32:09:18 – 00:32:26:02
Sam
Yeah. Speaking of tattooing callbacks and the 2.5 episode of Boba, he gets a souped up Naboo Starfighter. That’s like a hot rod, right? Which is like so dumb, but I fell for it. Like, it was so cool. And you see it flying next to X-Wings, and it’s like the merging of prequel and original trilogy stuff. That, you know, I think is really neat.

00:32:26:02 – 00:32:43:11
Sam
And that’s there’s just so much potential that if they would just kind of capitalize on and like what I imagine the Mandalorian will do, you know, moving the story of Luke forward moving the story of Ahsoka forward, things like that, you know, moving forward with things. Well, I guess for Luke it’s he still, you know, we see where he ends up, but, you know, the Luke that we all want to.

00:32:43:15 – 00:33:10:05
Joseph
Right well and it’s funny you mention that because even that scene where they’re putting the ship together, he goes to the Jawas and they have to go get some kind of stabilizer or figure what it was called. But it’s the bar that they used in the trash compactor scene in a new hope. It’s the same exact thing. And they did they did that just so you had that visual reference to the the original trilogy.

00:33:10:05 – 00:33:20:09
Joseph
And it’s like the fact that they go out of their way to do stuff like that, I think to me shows their appreciation for it. But it’s that little bit of fan service.

00:33:20:18 – 00:33:25:00
Sam
I do think you can go too far with that. That’s how you get a solo where it’s like the dice.

00:33:25:00 – 00:33:25:21
Joseph
I agree.

00:33:26:01 – 00:33:35:04
Sam
But you know, at least you know that the people doing it in Mandalorian actually care, you know, because you see the behind the scenes stuff and you know, it’s not like as in your face.

00:33:35:10 – 00:33:44:22
Joseph
If it’s subtle. Yeah, it’s subtle and it’s there to provide accent to the scene or context to where you are or something like that, you know? And it can.

00:33:44:22 – 00:33:47:00
Sam
Make the universe feel more connected, I guess.

00:33:47:01 – 00:34:11:20
Joseph
Exactly. Yeah. Yeah. When you do something like a solo or even with J.J. Abrams, did you know as much as I want to say that Force Awakens was the best of the sequel trilogies, it still wasn’t a very good movie, and it was really there for fan service, just for fans service for the sake of fans. Yeah, it was basically a remake of a New Hope and even made fun of it.

00:34:12:00 – 00:34:29:06
Joseph
You know, like in the movie they’re making fun of, Oh, there’s got to be a way to blow it up. There’s always a way to blow up. Like, you know, lines like that are kind of it’s that slap in the face that where you’re going over the top. Yeah. All right. So I got a giant best armor, a big laser.

00:34:29:24 – 00:34:48:29
Joseph
Oh, well, this is what the original Death Star looked like. But this is what? Oh, so it’s a bigger Death Star. Okay. Yeah, it’s like that was too much seeing an hour two or an hour five droid that I recognize I thought, wow, that every also of the one from a duo and it turned out to be the one from a new home.

00:34:48:29 – 00:34:57:08
Joseph
Yeah. There wasn’t a plot line around it. There wasn’t a twist to it. There was a dialog around that or anything. It was just there.

00:34:57:08 – 00:34:59:20
Sam
Reading in a six episode miniseries about the Droid like.

00:34:59:20 – 00:35:03:08
Joseph
Deal. Right? Right. The Droid didn’t get his own series like everyone else seemed to get coping.

00:35:03:08 – 00:35:03:20
Sam
With the blow.

00:35:03:20 – 00:35:26:14
Joseph
Motivator. So anyway, but I think I think the bottom line here is that while they each bring their own to the to the equation here, I think the two of them together is really where that that creativity is is benefiting the franchise. Absolutely. So we’re going to take a second break here. We’ll come right back. And we’re going to talk about the future of Star Wars.

00:35:34:05 – 00:36:08:28
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00:36:36:19 – 00:37:04:06
Joseph
So the future of Star Wars under Disney. So they had a ton of announcements at Celebration. I watched a bunch of the panels. I couldn’t go because it was in Anaheim and flying and all that stuff. Pandemic and raining and all that. But I found when we were down at Orlando, it was better to watch it on YouTube anyway because you can’t get close to the stage for anything so they announced a bunch of things and some of these we already knew were coming in.

00:37:04:06 – 00:37:29:01
Joseph
So the first one that we have to talk about here is Star Wars Rogue Squadron, which was announced back in December of 20. 20 was going to be a Patty Jenkins movie. Then she was on again, off again, on again. She’s got one, a woman that she’s working on. There are a whole kind of thing, and it almost smelled a lot like, like solo, where we’re having problems keeping directors again.

00:37:29:01 – 00:37:47:03
Joseph
For some reason, drug squad and still scheduled for a 20, 23 theatrical release. But it’s not clear if they’re going to keep that, especially with Taika Waititi’s film moving forward it will talk about a little bit do we need a rogue squadron film?

00:37:47:20 – 00:38:01:09
Sam
No, I think my thesis for this part is this is I talked about it last week, but I’ve kind of fallen off the movies and TV shows and I think this is like the peak of that. No, we don’t need a rogue squadron if you’re going to do it. It should have already came out and it should have ripped off Top Gun.

00:38:01:27 – 00:38:12:07
Sam
People would have been way more invested if that’s what they did. If I had to guess, I’d say they’re probably going to make it a TV show now because didn’t it was Kathleen Kennedy. They said they’re moving away from movies and they’re moving in to television.

00:38:12:24 – 00:38:17:29
Joseph
That was yeah, they did, but they did. So they announced a whole bunch of movies in celebration.

00:38:18:00 – 00:38:34:24
Sam
Oh, okay. Yeah, I didn’t I didn’t checking that stuff out. But no, I don’t think we need that. I never was really into the whole Rogue Squadron thing. I never was really into the games because they were you know, flight flying games. I was no. Into them. They had the new squadrons game. That was that was fun. Very complicated, though.

00:38:34:24 – 00:38:40:14
Sam
And again, you know, it’s just I don’t know the flying thing as a topic never really interested me.

00:38:41:09 – 00:38:58:14
Joseph
It was a great series of novels, I hope I have to say. I did enjoy the novels themselves and they had a rogue squadron video game that came out in the nineties or so somewhere in that time or but none of this, none of the storylines from those books or that game is going to be included in this for what they said.

00:38:58:15 – 00:39:28:12
Joseph
Awesome. It’s going to be something completely so next we have a movie. It’s to be determined. It’s a standalone movie from director J.D. Dillard, who did the 2016 sci fi hit Sleight No details about this, the fact that he got his own movie because apparently everyone’s getting a Star Wars movie now. Not only do you get an offshoot of a series, if you’re a character, you get your own movie if you’re a director and apply for it.

00:39:28:12 – 00:39:29:06
Joseph
At this point, I don’t know.

00:39:29:07 – 00:39:30:17
Sam
Yeah, I’m sure our letters in the mail.

00:39:31:01 – 00:39:40:22
Joseph
Yeah, yeah, yeah. I’m, I’m waiting for our invitation to come to our room because the next one that we have to talk about, there’s another one that’s to be determined and that’s a. Kevin, how do you pronounce the name?

00:39:40:28 – 00:39:42:01
Sam
I was looking up J.D. Dillard.

00:39:42:11 – 00:39:47:27
Joseph
Kevin, FYI, FYI. Okay. So Kevin Foggy is also getting his own standalone movie.

00:39:48:06 – 00:39:50:26
Sam
If people were jazzed about that, he’s the Marvel guy.

00:39:50:26 – 00:39:52:16
Joseph
So here’s the Marvel guy.

00:39:52:16 – 00:40:07:23
Sam
I mean, he he’s like, you know, again, we talked about it off air, but you don’t want to point fingers at one person for everything wrong. Everything right with the franchise. But Kevin Feige, he seems like he’s the one that is like he steps in and he says, hey, let’s let’s do this. To make the MCU a cohesive universe.

00:40:08:21 – 00:40:11:20
Sam
And we’re there giving him only one movie. But, you know.

00:40:11:29 – 00:40:20:00
Joseph
Well, and that’s the thing, like, he’s not wise as he directed before. I don’t know if he’s the Marvel guy. Why is he doing the star work?

00:40:20:01 – 00:40:31:09
Sam
It’s Disney. They want everybody. And let me look up Kevin Feige. I guess if he’s directed, that could be interesting. Though, if he, you know, does it right. I don’t know. Did they give any information on what it could be about now?

00:40:31:10 – 00:40:34:08
Joseph
There aren’t a lot of details or any details at all.

00:40:36:14 – 00:40:57:26
Joseph
You know, they talk about him being the man who built the Marvel Cinematic Universe. Yeah. All there’s a 20, 20 conversation in The Hollywood Reporter from Joe Russo, the in-game director where he talked about Star Wars and Kevin’s debut and he thinks he’s going to do great at it, blah, blah, blah.

00:40:57:27 – 00:41:14:15
Sam
It’s mostly producer credits on his IMDB, but there’s so many of them that I’m having trouble finding anything else. There’s 67 of them and I can’t figure how to sort. So, you know, maybe, you know, he did his time at Marvel. Maybe he wants a shot at directing a Star Wars film, and that’s why it’s a standalone movie, you know, like, hey, you know, here you go, buddy.

00:41:14:20 – 00:41:26:17
Joseph
That’s the only thing that I could think. Michael Waldron’s being tasked to write the script of the film. They did announce that deadline announced that in January of 20, 21.

00:41:26:17 – 00:41:28:21
Sam
No Loki executive producer. Okay. Sure.

00:41:28:25 – 00:41:30:12
Joseph
Yeah. I mean, a lot of.

00:41:30:12 – 00:41:33:02
Sam
Producers doing things that aren’t producing makes me kind of nervous.

00:41:33:02 – 00:41:40:07
Joseph
Yeah. Yeah. And kind of they’re moving down the food chain usually. You up to the producer role in the food chain, don’t you? Yeah.

00:41:40:07 – 00:41:42:02
Sam
But, you know, directors get more critical acclaim.

00:41:42:02 – 00:41:43:20
Joseph
So I guess if.

00:41:43:20 – 00:41:44:05
Sam
They’re good.

00:41:45:17 – 00:42:08:07
Joseph
And that brings us to another to be announced movie that they’re looking to do. So this kind of plays into that whole theme of Kathleen Kennedy, where Star Wars is moving away from movies. They’ve got a bunch of movies they want to do, they just don’t know or they’re not releasing information now, we already know that Taika Waititi was confirmed to be making his own movie here.

00:42:08:20 – 00:42:45:17
Joseph
He was already out during celebration. He was out scouting locations and filming. It’s slated for a late 20, 23 release. I don’t know if I want Taika Waititi doing a Star Wars film now. He did get a Star Wars episode. He did get an episode of Mandalorian which he did great with that. Yeah, but I’m terrified that we’re going to get a A for comedy version of a Star Wars movie.

00:42:45:17 – 00:42:48:29
Joseph
And I don’t know if that’s going to go over very well.

00:42:49:08 – 00:43:01:19
Sam
I mean, I’m I’m more open to the idea just because I think Thor Ragnarok was good, because it was it made Thor more interesting and it made the universe more interesting by not taking it a seriously but also.

00:43:01:22 – 00:43:05:00
Joseph
It helped that every in the third movie sucked. That didn’t help.

00:43:05:15 – 00:43:13:05
Sam
Yeah, that it’s hard. It’s a low bar. I have not seen the new Thor movie, which you also directed, so I’m not sure if that quality is still there.

00:43:13:06 – 00:43:14:28
Joseph
It didn’t get very high ratings.

00:43:14:29 – 00:43:37:15
Sam
I saw that. I try not to read that stuff, but, you know, it’s it’s everywhere. So I don’t know. I think Taika is a pretty talented guy. I don’t know. You know, I think if they did something where it’s not, you know, like a main character that we know if he kind of got like his own thing, that’s a little more quirky, maybe that would go over well, you know, or just fully commit make a Star Wars comedy on Disney.

00:43:37:15 – 00:43:41:27
Sam
Plus, you know, we’ve never seen that except for, like, droids.

00:43:42:17 – 00:43:43:29
Joseph
You know? You know.

00:43:44:12 – 00:43:54:00
Sam
I think that could be interesting. That’s what I’ve been saying. Let’s start with do whatever it wants. You know, take away the restrictions and, you know, make something weird. And, you know, if you throw everything at the wall, which is him doing any.

00:43:54:00 – 00:43:56:06
Joseph
Visions, visions, is there anything weird.

00:43:56:17 – 00:43:57:21
Sam
Drew, but make a comedy?

00:43:58:09 – 00:44:26:03
Joseph
Well, and they did with visions. You know, there was elements of comedy in some of the Visions episodes, which is why? Because it’s so it’s its own self-contained little box there and it doesn’t break the rest of the universe. And that brings us to the last and certainly the least desired movie project, and that is the rumored Ryan Johnson trilogy, at least from my perspective, I, I have zero respect for Ryan Johnson after the Last Jedi at this point in time.

00:44:26:03 – 00:44:28:04
Joseph
I’m sure you disagree with a certain extent there.

00:44:28:05 – 00:44:50:09
Sam
Yeah, people harp on Last Jedi pretty hard. It’s not it’s not as bad as people say it is. It has bad elements. But I just there’s, there’s good things about it, everybody, right? There’s good things. And one of those is the directing. The writing is not great, but there are great shots in it. There’s great like, you know, like a direction maybe not with the actors, but with the actual the action and the cinematography and things like that.

00:44:50:10 – 00:45:07:22
Joseph
Oh, especially like that whole little sacrifice scene where it goes completely silent. It’s pretty cool. And they actually had to put a notification at the movie after it premiered that the sound is okay. Oh, really? Yeah. That’s yeah, that’s how bad the direction was with good cinematography or.

00:45:07:22 – 00:45:09:00
Sam
People are just dumb. I mean, who knows?

00:45:09:16 – 00:45:10:17
Joseph
Well, yeah, there’s a lot.

00:45:10:18 – 00:45:26:17
Sam
I think that’s much more likely. Yeah. Because if everybody especially if you’re going to a big premiere like that, people have to clap and throw their popcorn at the screen. So yeah, I don’t know, I it could be all right. I don’t think it’s actually going to happen, though, because I think people are way too turned against Ryan Johnson for them.

00:45:26:17 – 00:45:31:00
Sam
Like, he’s like corporate like he’s like a bad apple. You know? I don’t think they give him another chance.

00:45:31:02 – 00:45:35:03
Joseph
Well, and I think that’s a reputation as well or anything else. Yeah.

00:45:35:17 – 00:45:45:21
Sam
Well, the same thing happened with the guys from Game of Thrones. One of them, right. Benioff or Weiss. One of them was supposed to get a trilogy. And then the final season of Game of Thrones came out and everybody hated them and they were like, Wow, I was going to scrap that well.

00:45:45:21 – 00:45:49:07
Joseph
And then they’re coming out with with the off shoot the.

00:45:49:25 – 00:45:50:22
Sam
House of Dragons.

00:45:50:29 – 00:46:00:25
Joseph
Something it. Yeah. But anyway, that that kind of concludes what we’re looking at. We have a whole bunch of ruined movies that, that we have no real detail.

00:46:00:25 – 00:46:08:29
Sam
Yeah, that’s like way less information. I thought there was going to be like, not like a plot. Like, you know, they do the Marvel thing where it’s like She-Hulk 20, 23 thing too, you know?

00:46:08:29 – 00:46:18:07
Joseph
And the set up here is that they’re focusing on streaming. Yep. Because they have to keep people paying for streaming to, to get their money.

00:46:18:07 – 00:46:20:09
Sam
That’s guaranteed money as opposed to release something.

00:46:20:09 – 00:46:26:07
Joseph
There’s absolutely. So streaming, there’s, it’s ridiculous how many privates.

00:46:27:08 – 00:46:28:27
Sam
And I’m not going to watch any of it.

00:46:29:00 – 00:46:46:14
Joseph
They need to come out with another network to stream all this stuff on. So you’ve got Andor, right? So you’re going to get the Eagle Hunter coming back as Cassian Andor that was already set. And you got a release date for that for August 31st. We know we’re getting that. Do we need that?

00:46:46:14 – 00:46:57:27
Sam
No. Nope, we don’t. Any time you ask that, the answer’s almost always going to be no. Yeah. No, I forgot this second show we’re going to talk about. I might actually watch some. I might have to retract my earlier statement.

00:46:57:27 – 00:47:01:06
Joseph
Yeah. Just so you can disagree with me. Right. Well, no.

00:47:01:06 – 00:47:18:17
Sam
I had my reasons for the second show, but no end or does not need to be a thing. I mean, it could be. And here’s the thing. We talked about this last week. It doesn’t all have to be the important to the law. It can just be an interesting story if if and or turns out to be like a gritty war spy thing, I don’t think it will be.

00:47:18:17 – 00:47:28:21
Sam
But if it was and like they actually raised some questions that haven’t been talked about in Star Wars before, like the more interesting parts of Rogue One, you know, that could be something worth your time. I don’t think it’s going to be that.

00:47:28:25 – 00:47:51:12
Joseph
And rumor has it that they’re going to be doing that. This they’re supposed to be depicting the origins of the rebellion. Yeah. In the rebel cause. And they they keep referring back to the one seen about he’s been in this since he was seven years old or whatever it was. I was six years old. So it was really seven.

00:47:51:12 – 00:47:52:01
Joseph
It was this.

00:47:52:18 – 00:47:55:12
Sam
Time it’s hard to keep track of space time.

00:47:56:14 – 00:48:14:23
Joseph
But it’s supposed to kind of go into that what he’s sacrificing, what is other people sacrifice and how how like more Mothra had this idealistic idea that you could change things from from within the organization and she comes to the realization that so there’s a lot of other.

00:48:16:11 – 00:48:17:00
Sam
Big drama.

00:48:17:00 – 00:48:23:15
Joseph
You know. Yeah, there’s a lot of that drama that they’re trying to establish with this. Whether or not they pull it off or not, I don’t know. We’ll have the find.

00:48:23:15 – 00:48:33:28
Sam
I just hope they commit you know, I hope they don’t shy away like that. What you just pitch me sounds great. That sounds like that could be really interesting and deep, you know, and really great character drama. I don’t have faith in them to do that.

00:48:34:12 – 00:48:44:12
Joseph
It’s not dispute. They were cradling that. Yeah. Oh, yeah. So then the next one that you’ll argue with me on is I’m actually excited about us.

00:48:44:12 – 00:48:46:10
Sam
Okay? We got, like the whole rebel skies coming back.

00:48:46:10 – 00:49:07:25
Joseph
We do. And what I like about Ahsoka is the characters finally interesting to me. Yeah, she’s she’s matured she’s not this annoying little kid kid anymore. Yeah, I’ll, I’ll use that word, but she’s mature. She’s a wise and janai at this point. My jet, I don’t know what the hell she is that she’s a great general.

00:49:07:28 – 00:49:08:23
Sam
Keep the light sabers.

00:49:08:24 – 00:49:11:23
Joseph
Yeah, but they’re. They’re white now, so.

00:49:11:23 – 00:49:12:18
Sam
Yeah, it’s pretty cool, huh?

00:49:13:02 – 00:49:19:22
Joseph
But I think the time period that we’re seeing here needs to be explored, and I think it’s a great option.

00:49:19:22 – 00:49:21:28
Sam
And this is after Return of the Jedi.

00:49:21:29 – 00:49:28:17
Joseph
This is set in the same time period as Mandalore, which is ten years. 15 years after five years after returning it. Okay.

00:49:28:26 – 00:49:48:01
Sam
Yeah, because, like, I like Ahsoka, obviously. And I also keep forgetting the show’s going to happen but also they’ve announced, like, all these Rebels characters are coming back and Asuka’s appearance, the Mandalorian, she’s looking for Ezra, she wants to know where Thrawn is and like that’s the stuff that interests me as Thanos. Cool. Yeah. And like if we get an adult Ezra who’s like, again, not super annoying because.

00:49:48:09 – 00:49:50:25
Joseph
I bet he was annoying as she was. Yeah. At that.

00:49:50:25 – 00:50:10:05
Sam
Age. Except he, it was the whole show. I should have mentioned that when I’m talking about Rebels, Ezra, the main character is the worst part of the show, and he never stops being the worst part of the show. He’s insufferable. He gets like three good moments but I’m really looking forward to that. And I’m curious how that’s going to translate to live action because, you know, everybody always harps on the translation from animation to live action.

00:50:10:05 – 00:50:25:18
Sam
And the real answer is because it’s not meant to be that is supposed to happen. But like imagine Zeb, who’s the big furry dude, like in live action, he’s going to make a monster. So I don’t know what any that’s going to look like. But yeah, I’m really I I will probably watch that show, you know, and that’s it that Mandalorian.

00:50:25:18 – 00:50:25:28
Sam
All right.

00:50:25:28 – 00:50:52:07
Joseph
So we got to home from and then we’ve got Mandalorian season three coming in with the big mistake, I think is they’re bringing baby Yoda back in, which they had to. You didn’t have to. You did. You absolutely did. Everyone accepted the fact that baby Yoda went off the tree with Luke is back. Right. And they kill that in in Mandalorian season 2.5, otherwise known as the book of everyone but Boba Fett.

00:50:52:07 – 00:50:54:13
Sam
Like right away, which is we talked about this last.

00:50:54:13 – 00:50:56:24
Joseph
Week. Stupid. So stupid that they did that.

00:50:56:25 – 00:51:02:24
Sam
They should have done. I’m not saying a whole season of baby Yoda because I don’t I’m not a big baby Yoda guy. You know, I can’t stand the kid.

00:51:03:03 – 00:51:06:02
Joseph
But you don’t like any young people because.

00:51:06:02 – 00:51:12:03
Sam
It’s just it’s so at least baby Yoda was just so I don’t know, cheap and like just a way to sell stuff, which.

00:51:13:00 – 00:51:22:03
Joseph
They did. They didn’t, though. That was the funny part. They released a series and it’s Oh yeah, 12 months. You get a piece of merchandise that everybody else was selling. Baby Yoda stuff.

00:51:22:03 – 00:51:31:13
Sam
That is true. I think if we would’ve gotten like half a season without him and then he shows back up or something just to see, to give the Mandalorian some more character time alone, you know.

00:51:32:02 – 00:51:43:05
Joseph
See, and I think they had set it up perfectly. All he had to do was take the damn lightsaber he doesn’t want a shiny light saber, I thought, going to take both have.

00:51:43:05 – 00:51:43:23
Sam
Cool armor.

00:51:43:25 – 00:51:46:05
Joseph
Anyway. Well, you know, I thought I was.

00:51:46:05 – 00:51:54:28
Sam
Going to when they if for those of you that don’t know Luke presents Grogu you with a lightsaber or a set of tiny Mandalorian T-shirt.

00:51:55:18 – 00:51:57:04
Joseph
And and.

00:51:57:08 – 00:52:01:22
Sam
His choice is essentially you can either stay with me and be a Jedi or go live with Mandalorian.

00:52:01:29 – 00:52:04:22
Joseph
I survived the Empire, and all I got was it’s.

00:52:04:22 – 00:52:08:02
Sam
Really funny, guys, look it up. It’s a small he holds it up like this oh.

00:52:08:22 – 00:52:08:29
Joseph
Yeah.

00:52:09:11 – 00:52:15:27
Sam
Anyway, so Gringo ends up choosing Mandalorian, and I. I thought he’s going to pick both.

00:52:16:09 – 00:52:31:14
Joseph
And I think he I think it would have made so much of such a better story if he picked the light saber and he realized he had to put that part of his life behind him. And then Mandalore he could go off and shine on his own. Yeah. What the hell is he going to do with this kid now?

00:52:31:14 – 00:52:33:10
Joseph
The kid was nothing but a draw to him.

00:52:33:20 – 00:52:38:07
Sam
Well, now we’re going to go full, I think. Isn’t the idea he’s going to go full? Mandalorian, we’re going to get the.

00:52:38:10 – 00:52:40:07
Joseph
We’re going to get him in a full Mando suit now.

00:52:40:07 – 00:52:54:04
Sam
Yeah, it’s going to mix. You know, I imagine they’re going to go to man Lorne and kind of make all that a thing because, you know, they said they said the Mandalorian is in the Mandalorian anymore, even though he has the Darksaber, things like that. So I imagine it’s going to be, you know what I look.

00:52:54:11 – 00:52:55:25
Joseph
If you want me baby Yoda, well.

00:52:55:27 – 00:53:07:04
Sam
Now he’s a foundling. Just like Jyn was, and he’s going to get a mix up. But I’m in because it seems like we’re teasing. We’re going back to Mandalore, and I every time I’ve seen anything I love it.

00:53:08:04 – 00:53:08:16
Joseph
Okay.

00:53:09:15 – 00:53:10:19
Sam
We’ll get Bo-katan back.

00:53:11:02 – 00:53:14:26
Joseph
Yeah. And you know you know, she’s coming by the armor.

00:53:15:06 – 00:53:15:21
Sam
The Destiny.

00:53:15:21 – 00:53:21:12
Joseph
Character. Now, because you are the one of the main ones, and she’s one of the deathwatch you. Yeah. Because before watching.

00:53:21:12 – 00:53:24:29
Sam
He’s going to fight her, and she’s going to have all different swords and stuff because she’s in armor.

00:53:24:29 – 00:53:25:11
Joseph
Is that what.

00:53:25:11 – 00:53:30:16
Sam
She’s going to have a weapon will? Like Grand Theft Auto anyway.

00:53:31:07 – 00:53:37:02
Joseph
Anyway, so the next what we have is skeleton crew. There’s more where well.

00:53:38:11 – 00:53:40:11
Sam
I thought Mandalorian was the last one.

00:53:40:23 – 00:54:11:27
Joseph
All right, the skeleton crew juvenile is set to lead. John, what’s first foray in the Star Wars canon? The series follows the fall of the empire through the eyes of four children, which I’m sure you’ll love it. Yeah, the series is previously named Codename Grammar Rovio. It’s described as galactic version of classic and coming of age adventure films through the eighties, which clearly you’re not watching this will like.

00:54:11:28 – 00:54:29:00
Sam
Okay, so I talked about earlier how you can make star interesting by taking other stories and like putting them in Star Wars. This isn’t quite what I meant. It’s not what I meant. Although John wants he did the Spider-Man movies, he’s pretty good at doing that. Like, you know, that first that homecoming movies is very much like, you know, like the what’s the guy’s name?

00:54:29:04 – 00:54:40:18
Sam
Like Breakfast Club or those. Right. All those movies. So it could be interesting. I guess why. But sure, Jude Law is in it, so he can be like the principal, I guess. Anyway.

00:54:41:01 – 00:55:01:29
Joseph
So that’s another one that that Floaties is involved in, as is Rangers of the New Republic, which was on again, off again, on again. This was the one that was supposed to have the two guys that we’re seeing show up in the Mandalorian. And it was supposed to be set up. Gina Carano was character, and then she pissed off because she was tweeting stuff they didn’t like, so they fired her.

00:55:02:12 – 00:55:11:03
Joseph
Then they canceled this, and then it’s celebration they indicated that this was back on. I don’t know what they’re doing with this one here or why they’re doing this one.

00:55:11:08 – 00:55:13:09
Sam
You just combine this and Rogue Squadron and no one.

00:55:13:09 – 00:55:16:13
Joseph
Will know, but this was really what Rogue Squadron should have been.

00:55:16:23 – 00:55:20:06
Sam
It sounds like it’s like a procedural, like they’re going to like investigate like.

00:55:20:17 – 00:55:21:06
Joseph
Yeah.

00:55:21:20 – 00:55:23:00
Sam
I just like these.

00:55:23:00 – 00:55:24:26
Joseph
Kind of on order for four Star.

00:55:24:26 – 00:55:30:04
Sam
Wars. These, like, these shows just sounds so boring. Like, is it just me? Like, you sound like really boring.

00:55:31:01 – 00:55:44:28
Joseph
But wait, we’re not done. Yeah, we’re really not then we’re going to I don’t know if we’re getting Donald Glover forward or not, but we’re coming out with a Lando series, which if you don’t have Donald Glover or Billy Dee, it’s not going to be Orlando series.

00:55:45:00 – 00:55:47:10
Sam
Well, this was announced back when like Solo came out, right?

00:55:47:26 – 00:55:49:22
Joseph
Yeah. But they talked about it again.

00:55:50:19 – 00:55:53:15
Sam
This is all just to keep the shareholders happy. None of this is ever coming out.

00:55:53:15 – 00:56:04:15
Joseph
Well, and that’s the problem. It’s like it’s almost like, well, let’s, let’s throw all this stuff against the wall and see what sticks. And, you know, we’re going to tease all this stuff and see what kind of reaction we get.

00:56:04:15 – 00:56:11:20
Sam
And it’s because they have to you know, they’ve got to keep people Star Wars fans like, oh, here’s this content’s never going to the pipeline is going to keep on flow.

00:56:11:20 – 00:56:34:18
Joseph
And everybody then after Lando, we have the acolyte. Now, the acolyte actually sounds kind of interesting because they’re taking a different route with it. Yeah. It’s kind of described as a mystery thriller. That’ll take audiences into a galaxy of shadowy secrets and emerging dark side powers in the final days of the High Republic are vague. Nobody cares about the high Republican because it’s all books.

00:56:34:18 – 00:56:36:29
Sam
I don’t want to read it, but if it was a show, I might check it out.

00:56:37:08 – 00:56:40:14
Joseph
All right, so this is where they’re going to introduce High Republican into the series.

00:56:40:15 – 00:56:42:26
Sam
They should have held off on higher public stuff until this was ready.

00:56:43:03 – 00:56:44:04
Joseph
You were thought, right?

00:56:44:04 – 00:56:45:08
Sam
Because nobody wants to read.

00:56:45:08 – 00:56:55:03
Joseph
Nothing that I’m struggling getting through the second phase of the higher public. I really is. I’ve read every novel out there is a bad it’s terrible. Oh, it really is.

00:56:55:04 – 00:56:56:01
Sam
Well, maybe they’ll do better.

00:56:56:01 – 00:56:58:01
Joseph
It’s boring. It’s more boring than some of these things.

00:56:58:12 – 00:57:02:00
Sam
These descriptions, these very vague good will fight evil.

00:57:02:07 – 00:57:27:04
Joseph
They don’t even have good villains. And you can’t have a Star Wars novel that good villains. Ah, yeah. But what’s interesting about this one is it’s going to be a Sith apprentice who’s trained become a Sith lord. So you can easily tally an element of plague Gaius and Palpatine and the history of the Sith. You can get some who was the ruler to Bane?

00:57:27:04 – 00:57:45:27
Joseph
Bane. You can get some Bane tied into this doctor. So there’s a ton of law that you can tie into this, which I like. Then the next one that you’re going to hate, a Droid story or an animated feature, a Droid story will combine original star Wars animation with new visual effects from ILM.

00:57:46:05 – 00:57:46:25
Sam
What does that mean?

00:57:46:29 – 00:58:03:18
Joseph
I don’t really know. It sounds like a remaking the old. Yeah, that made it stop with the film will premiere on Disney Plus and introduce a new hero, Garnet, by the iconic duo R2-D2 and C-3PO with Anthony Daniels confirmed to the.

00:58:03:18 – 00:58:06:08
Sam
Project he’s got nothing going on when he’s working at Taco.

00:58:06:08 – 00:58:06:13
Joseph
Bell.

00:58:06:13 – 00:58:16:26
Sam
He’s sorry. Anthony, if you’re watching this book, I’ve heard you’re very unlikable, so it’s all right. Oh, that sounds terrible. That sounds like a ride like that. Sounds like a Star Wars edition.

00:58:17:01 – 00:58:19:12
Joseph
Yeah, it does. So that’s that’s another go.

00:58:19:15 – 00:58:20:17
Sam
All the more.

00:58:20:17 – 00:58:27:29
Joseph
Horror. There’s more we got three more to go through here, believe it or not. So we have Tales of the Jedi.

00:58:28:00 – 00:58:29:25
Sam
Oh, this one’s good. This is more Clone Wars.

00:58:31:07 – 00:58:45:06
Joseph
Maybe. Maybe Tales of the Giant will land on Disney. Plus, at some point, the fall of 20, 22. Ai-jen describes it as a new anthology series that will tell stories of a sofa and Count Dooku. It’s supposed to be a bunch of one offs.

00:58:45:07 – 00:58:49:19
Sam
Yeah, there were some some screenshots this that leaked and it looks like it’s the Clone Wars animation style.

00:58:49:19 – 00:59:00:17
Joseph
So yeah. Which I’m not a big fan. Yeah. Yeah. And if we have Star Wars Visions Season two and watch any of season one I.

00:59:00:17 – 00:59:05:02
Sam
Watched like three episodes, but I am happy you got a season too, because it’s something different and I’m glad that they’re giving it more time.

00:59:05:10 – 00:59:17:16
Joseph
They did a really nice job. There was, I think eight, eight or nine different stories that came out. They’re all standalone stories and of those five were really good.

00:59:18:04 – 00:59:20:13
Sam
Yeah, I watched like the first two or three yeah.

00:59:20:13 – 00:59:25:12
Joseph
Five were really good, two were okay and the rest just throwaway.

00:59:25:13 – 00:59:26:03
Sam
That’s pretty good.

00:59:26:11 – 00:59:39:26
Joseph
And that’s a good. Yeah, that’s, that’s pretty good. Yeah. And I think it was based on that, that idea here. Here’s nine stories and seven of them were good. Oh, well let’s have 15 new series and see if we can get a couple good about that.

00:59:39:27 – 00:59:46:13
Sam
Let’s dedicate seven episodes and 15 shows. That’s like, that’s not how that works. Just spent billions of dollars.

00:59:47:13 – 01:00:03:12
Joseph
And the last one we have to talk about it. Oh my gosh yeah. July Adventure’s first full and animated Star Wars series created specifically for preschoolers because that was there was a a market there that we weren’t serving. Right.

01:00:03:12 – 01:00:08:19
Sam
You know some somebody like the team was like, you know what demo we’re missing out on preschoolers.

01:00:09:00 – 01:00:19:08
Joseph
The series will follow younglings as they follow the path of the Jedi in the high republic and learn about compassion, self-discipline and the power of friendship.

01:00:20:02 – 01:00:27:05
Sam
Hey, man, if it teaches kids something, sure, you know, good thing it’s not the other republic. Younglings, because the kids read what happened, all the younglings.

01:00:27:09 – 01:00:44:26
Joseph
So, okay, so it’s worth noting that in the first novel of the high republic that I’ve read, they slaughter. Oh, really? 50 or 60 Jedi in the first novel. I’m not sure that’s preschool material, to be honest with Mega.

01:00:44:27 – 01:00:47:13
Sam
Like Sesame Street, you know, just don’t talk about it.

01:00:47:13 – 01:00:49:23
Joseph
So yeah, that’s what we’re looking at.

01:00:49:23 – 01:00:51:28
Sam
I guarantee you a third of these shows never come out.

01:00:53:04 – 01:01:04:27
Joseph
I think probably they weren’t. Well, I mean, some of them are already confirmed. You know, you’re the first four are confirmed. So you’ve got and Ahsoka made no season three and Skull and crew are.

01:01:04:27 – 01:01:07:05
Sam
Confirmed dead on season two, which is in the.

01:01:07:05 – 01:01:20:02
Joseph
Air. It’s not bad, but season two Acolytes Confirmed Visions. Season two is confirmed. So there’s only like four of these that are speculative. Yeah. Okay.

01:01:23:02 – 01:01:25:21
Sam
The pipeline, the content will never stop.

01:01:25:24 – 01:01:33:03
Joseph
So we we talked in last in our last episode about whether or not this is overkill. Is this overkill?

01:01:33:15 – 01:01:59:21
Sam
I mean, it looks really bad seeing it on paper like this. So yeah, it is. And we talked about Star Wars fatigue. You know, people already feeling that after three cycle movies and all these shows already on Disney Plus. And I think depending on the release schedule of this, it’s only going to get worse. I think the only way to win not the only way, but a big way to say this would be would to be something like an MCU, Thanos buildup, where everything is tying into this larger thing.

01:02:00:04 – 01:02:04:23
Sam
I think these scattershot shows and movies are just not going to grab people if you think it is.

01:02:04:26 – 01:02:19:12
Joseph
Yeah. And I think the philosophy is its Star Wars is in a universe and it’s a big universe and it’s more than just a Skywalker story. So let’s tell everybody stories of the universe. And they’re really kind of close to that at this time.

01:02:19:22 – 01:02:24:09
Sam
Yeah, but I just at the end of the day, I think they’re always going to fall back on, you know, the vaders and.

01:02:24:10 – 01:02:26:07
Joseph
The thing you have to because that’s the moneymaker.

01:02:26:11 – 01:02:27:22
Sam
Yeah. It’s, it’s tough.

01:02:28:14 – 01:02:46:28
Joseph
You know, at the end of the day, they need to make profit right but one thing, and we’re already pushing up against a time, but I’m I don’t care if we are not going to go to another episode, we’re going to finish it up here. Yeah. So Star Wars in movie and television is one thing now. You can live in Star Wars, right?

01:02:46:28 – 01:03:10:29
Joseph
So you go to Disneyland, Disney World, you can go to Galaxy’s Edge, you can stay at the new star cluster. I have no idea what it’s going. I don’t forget what it’s called. The Halcyon, the new the new hotel you can stay at. I when I heard about all this stuff, I was so excited because I’ve loved Star Wars my entire life.

01:03:10:29 – 01:03:22:26
Joseph
And I thought it would be great to be able to live in that that environment or at least visited, you know. What are your thoughts on that? Do you think it needs to come off the silver screen? Do you think it helps to add to it? What are your thoughts on.

01:03:24:03 – 01:03:31:01
Sam
Just theme parks in general? For me, I have a really hard time getting immersed. You know, I’m a jaded, cynical old man and we’ve.

01:03:31:01 – 01:03:33:01
Joseph
Raised you to Disney not to make you hate it.

01:03:33:07 – 01:03:46:20
Sam
Well, it’s just like for me, there was definitely a time in my life where this would have been awesome. It would have been like, Hey, I’m going to get fully into the same thing with the Marvel Avengers campus, where it’s like, you see the dummy of Spider-Man fly across and hit the brick wall because this thing broke free.

01:03:46:20 – 01:03:47:16
Joseph
So yeah, it’s a.

01:03:47:16 – 01:04:05:17
Sam
Very funny video, those things. I just they don’t do they do nothing for me, and they’re all way too expensive. And it’s just it’s just it’s not that interesting to me, unfortunately. But if you can get in there and you can really feel it, and if you enjoy it and it can do something for you that movies can’t, where you’re in that world, more power to you.

01:04:05:17 – 01:04:14:01
Sam
Harry Potter world was pretty cool. And I’m not even that big of a Harry Potter fan, but that was very neat. You know, something like that, I think could be could be interesting. It’s just it’s not my cup of tea.

01:04:14:13 – 01:04:33:21
Joseph
And I tend to agree with you. You know, having I’ve only been to Galaxy’s Edge once at this point, and I enjoyed it. I had a good time. I could have spent the entire day just soaking it up. The promise of the interaction that they they offered you when they first launched, it’s not there. That’s where the the hotel comes in.

01:04:33:21 – 01:05:02:24
Joseph
So now you got to spend $6,000 for two nights a day to get that to me. It’s a lame attempt to capture the nostalgia that you get from the movies on TV and what bothers me more than anything is it’s not my Star Wars, you know that Galaxy’s Edge is set in the sequel trilogy error and, and I just it’s not my Star Wars.

01:05:02:28 – 01:05:18:09
Sam
Which is interesting, right? Because they, they know that I feel like they have to know that most people don’t like the sequel trilogy or at least the people that are going to spend $6,000 for a two night stay. So why would you not you know, I think if they made in the original trilogy themed area, maybe they’re saving that for other parks.

01:05:18:09 – 01:05:28:09
Sam
You get a prequel on you and the original trilogy one, I don’t know, but I just I think it’s as strange. Then maybe they decided to double down, right? If we make a hotel, maybe it’ll convince people to like these movies more.

01:05:28:22 – 01:05:39:01
Joseph
It’s really hard for me to go to a Star Wars land, and no, I’m not going to see Darth Vader. Yeah, it’s just he’s Star Wars, you know, and he’s not there.

01:05:39:08 – 01:05:40:18
Sam
It’s. Yeah, that is very strange.

01:05:40:19 – 01:05:44:24
Joseph
It just seems very cheap, and it’s a money grab to me, so.

01:05:44:27 – 01:05:46:23
Sam
Yeah, I mean, that’s the theme of the sequel trilogy.

01:05:46:23 – 01:05:49:21
Joseph
What’s. What’s the one drink crossed the.

01:05:49:21 – 01:05:51:16
Sam
Kyber Crystal, The $5,000.

01:05:51:17 – 01:06:16:13
Joseph
Drink. Yeah. Which is just it’s insulting me in the fact that you’re asking me to spend $6,000 to stay in a room smaller than this in our studio here for two nights. It’s insulting. Like, I have the money. I can go there today and book that and stay there and not blink an eye at it. I refuse to spend that kind of money because of how insulting they are.

01:06:16:13 – 01:06:16:18
Joseph
Yeah.

01:06:16:19 – 01:06:28:13
Sam
And then they’re counting on the Star Wars fan that has the money like yourself, but that doesn’t have the free will, free will in their brain. They say, wait a minute. They’re just they’re just bleeding me dry. They don’t care about me.

01:06:28:24 – 01:06:29:08
Joseph
They they.

01:06:29:09 – 01:06:30:22
Sam
They just. Yeah.

01:06:31:02 – 01:06:39:10
Joseph
And I’m going, we’re going there again in August, and I’m going to spend a lot of money there. I want to come back a boatload of merchandise that I don’t need.

01:06:39:17 – 01:06:41:24
Sam
Do you have a good time, though, or do you enjoy it?

01:06:41:24 – 01:06:50:29
Joseph
And that’s. Yeah, that’s the that’s the idea. I’m going to I don’t know, in August, I might in Florida, but but yeah, I mean.

01:06:51:21 – 01:06:52:26
Sam
And that’s really all that matters.

01:06:52:27 – 01:06:55:23
Joseph
It’s disappointing that it’s it’s that money grab that.

01:06:56:01 – 01:07:01:16
Sam
It’s okay to fuel these corporate monopolies as long as you’re having a good time, as long as you don’t think about it.

01:07:01:16 – 01:07:02:29
Joseph
Thank you so much for helping me.

01:07:02:29 – 01:07:10:20
Sam
Just look, as long as you have that dopamine hit when you buy a new a new figure or something, it’s okay. Just spend money and don’t think about it.

01:07:11:20 – 01:07:15:05
Joseph
Thank you. I feel so much better now that that’ll change my life now.

01:07:15:06 – 01:07:17:10
Sam
Thank you. Your Twitter prime services.

01:07:17:28 – 01:07:44:29
Joseph
If you have so I think that’s all we and I think we I think we beat this topic to death. Yeah. Today, our second episode before we do go, though, I would want to just once again invite you to subscribe to the podcast. You can get audio versions of this podcast listed as insights in entertainment. Video and audio is all the networks podcast can be found that has insights into things.

01:07:45:14 – 01:08:04:03
Joseph
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01:08:05:17 – 01:08:36:18
Joseph
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01:08:36:28 – 01:08:38:06
Joseph
We have something else yes.

01:08:38:06 – 01:08:51:08
Sam
I would like to issue a challenge to everybody out there. What’s the what’s the best metric twitch followers or subs for us? If we get ten twitch subs by the time end or comes out, I will watch it and we’ll do a review on this program.

01:08:51:12 – 01:08:52:13
Joseph
Wow.

01:08:52:14 – 01:08:54:03
Sam
That’s a challenge for all you people out there.

01:08:54:05 – 01:08:55:05
Joseph
That is bold.

01:08:55:05 – 01:08:59:22
Sam
I will abandon my principles for ten twitch subs. Not even that much money. You can do it.

01:08:59:22 – 01:09:04:00
Joseph
Everybody good to know you’ve got a price.

01:09:04:00 – 01:09:11:03
Sam
But yes, if August 31st is when the first episode comes out, if we have ten twitch subs by then we will be doing a full review of and or.

01:09:11:07 – 01:09:18:06
Joseph
All right. You heard it here first, folks. That’s all we have for today. Another one of the books bye bye bye.