Insights Into Tomorrow: Episode 9 “Entertainment À la carte”

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This week we tone it down a bit from the hard hitting topics we’ve been talking about and take a look at streaming services and how we get our entertainment. We’ll take a quick look at the history of Radio, Television and Cable to see how our entertainment options have evolved. We’ll explore niche options for customizing our entertainment options like VCR’s, DVR’s and the rental market.

We look at today’s options and the evolution of streaming media and how it is affecting the entertainment industry today. How are awards shows, cable networks and movie theaters evolving to meet our ever changing demands.

Finally we’ll look to the future and where we thing the industry is going. Is there a future for traditional cable providers? Is radio a dying medium? How will ubiquitous internet change the entertainment industry?

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Show Notes

[INTRO THEME]

  • [INTRODUCTIONS] (3-5 minutes)
    • Show introduction:
      •  Insights Into Tomorrow: Episode 9  “Entertainment À la carte”
    • Host introductions
      • Host (Joseph Whalen)
      • My co-host (Sam Whalen)

[TRANSITION]

[AD 1: SSE] (1 minute)
   

  • [SEGMENT 1: Topic Introduction/Episode Premise] (5-10 minutes)
    • Entertainment in the home
      • How important is it to have entertainment at home
      • Different forms of entertainment
        • Radio
        • TV
        • DVD/Blueray
        • Streaming
      • Demand for customized programming
        • Specialized Radio shows and channel
        • Specialized TV channels
        • VCR’s and DVR’s
        • Video On Demand
        • Streaming

[AD2: Entertainment] (1 minute)

  • [SEGMENT 2: Historical background/Symptoms and signs] (10-15 minutes)
    • History of Entertainment in the home
      • OTA Radio
        • 1926 NBC formed the first national radio network
        • 1933 Federal Radio Commission established (precursor to FCC)
        • 1938 FDR broadcasts his first “fireside chats”
        • 1938 War of the Worlds broadcast
        • 1954 First transistor radio produced by Texas Instruments
        • 2001 First Satellite radio service introduced by XM Radio
      • OTA Television
        • 1931 nearly 40,000 televisions in the United States
        • 1936 BBC deputes worlds first television service with 3 hours of programming per day
        • 1940 CBS demonstrates color television
        • 1945 FCC establishes 13 broadcast TV channels
        • 1950 Saturday morning children’s programming begins
        • 1951 Broadcast color television introduced in the US
        • 1954 NBC Broadcasts the World Series in color for the first time
        • 1962 First transatlantic television transmission via Telestar Satellite
        • 1967 Congress creates PBS
        • 1969 Children’s Television Workshop introduces Sesame Street
        • 1970 Monday Night Football debuts on ABC
        • 1975 The “Big three” ABC, CBS and NBC create “Family Hour” early evening time slot free of violence and sex
        • 2009 Broadcast television signals go all digital
      • Cable Television
        • 1948 Community Antenna Television (CATV) begins in rural areas or Oregon and Pennsylvania where hilly terrain prevents broadcast television signals from being practical
        • 1950 Tuckerman appliance was providing off-air television programming to residents in Arkansas for $3.00 per month
        • 1953 Microwave relay system introduced to bring distant television signals to the cable system
        • 1958 Jerrold Electronics Corporation markets an all-channel broadband amplifier offering up to 13 channels
        • 1963 Number of homes served by cable systems reaches over a million
        • 1969 Number of homes served by cable systems reaches 3.6 million
        • 1972 Home Box Office premiers the first subscription pay TV programs
        • 1976 SportsChannel New York (Now Fox Sports New York) is first regional pay cable sports service
        • 1977 Warner Cable demonstrates two-way interactive technology over cable
        • 1979 “Narrow casting” television programming begins with the launch of: ESPN, C-SPAN, Galavision (Spanish Language channel)
        • 1980 “Narrow casting” programming expands with BET on USA Network, CNN, Showtime, The Movie Channel and Cinemax
        • 1985 Pay-Per-View services available in 5.9 million homes
        • 1986 Satellite television grows to two million owners as an alternative to non-wired rural areas
        • 1987 550MHz bandwidth systems bring up to 80 channels
        • 1993 Time Warner introduces “intelligent” set-top boxes for interactive services
        • 1994 First cable modem technology is tested on cable networks
        • 1995 First Internet/television service on cable systems launches
        • 1995 Broadcast HDTV begins in 22 markets
        • 1998 Telco companies begin offering DSL service
        • 1999 Digital cable deployment reaches 5.1 subscribers
        • 1999 TV shows begin to offer linked online content offering the first “web over tv” options
        • 1999 First TIVO DVR is shipped
        • 2000 Satellite internet is first offered by Dish
        • 2000 Blockbuster teams with TVI to deliver movies through personal video recorder machines
  • Other Alternatives
    • VCR
      • 1977 First VCR was released in the United States
      • 1977 First Video Rental Store opens in Los Angeles
      • 1985 Blockbuster video opens in Dallas Texas
  • DVD
    • 1997 First DVD players released
    • 1997 Hollywood Video starts offering DVD rentals
    • 1997 Netflix launches direct to home video subscriptions
    • 2001 Blockbuster becomes Number 1 in DVD rentals
    • 2002 Redbox Automated Retail launches video rental kiosks
  • Blueray
    • 2006 Blu Ray formatted discs released
    • 2007 Blockbuster announced it chose Blu-ray over HD DVD
  • Birth of Streaming Media
    • 1992 First practical digital streaming forms H.261 and MPEG are released
    • 1993 First world wide web streaming formats introduced but poor quality and high latency proved to be problematic over low bandwidth dial up connections
    • 2005 Youtube launches
    • 2007 Netflix starts streaming selections from its library
    • 2008 Hulu launches
    • 2013 Netflix starts producing is own original streaming content
    • Today there are over 200 video streaming services available
        

[AD3: Teens] (1 minute)

  • [SEGMENT 3: Current conditions/Source of Symptoms and Signs] (10-15 minutes)
    • Cable TV Today
      • Still running “packages” of channels and bundling Internet and Phone
      • Increasing push to “cut the cord” by a lot of people
      • Big questions about net neutrality and how it will affect private cable company offerings versus 3rd party streaming and bandwidth limitations and priority
      • Legislation to do away with cable card requirements
        • What are cable cards
      • Satellite is a viable option for viewing, less desireable for internet due to technical limitations
      • FIOS and other Fiber builds have largely come to a halt due to unrecognize profits and long term ROI challenges that turn off needed investors
      • Rise of 5G and high speed 4G cellular networks threaten to take away global market share of internet usage from Cable companies
      • Cable companies have a huge image problem
      • Cable still doesn’t offer ala cart programming
          
    • Streaming services today
      • Currently there are 101 “major” streaming services available for subscription
      • Top ten ranked streaming services according to Cnet
        • Amazon Prime Video
        • Hulu
        • Netflix
        • HBO Now
        • HBO Max
        • Disney+
        • CBS All Access
        • Peacock
        • Acorn TV
        • Showtime
      • How they were ranked
        • Price
        • Number and quality of original programming
        • Number and quality of back catalog
        • Overall variety
        • Availability
            
    • Other Options
      • Podcasts
        • Apple
        • Stitcher
        • iHeart Radio
        • Pandora
        • Amazon
        • Spotify
        • Google
        • Tunein
      • Apps
        • Instagram
        • Facebook
        • Quibi
        • TikTok
        • Youtube

[TRANSITION]

  • [SEGMENT 4: The Future/Solutions to the issues] (10-15 minutes)
    • Is there a future for?
      • Cable television
      • Traditional network broadcasting and schedules
      • Commercial advertising in television
      • Subscription television channels like HBO
          
    • Where is streaming entertainment going
      • Trump banning TikTok
      • Net Neutrality and data prioritization
      • Bandwidth caps
      • 5G technology
      • First run movies
          
    • How to monetize the future
      • Traditional commercial advertising
      • Intelligent ad insertion
      • Host read ads
      • Targeted advertising based on demographics
          
    • Regulating the entertainment
      • FCC doesn’t hold sway over most streaming platforms
      • There’s little to no censorship enforceable
      • Entire countries may block services
      • Services may be banned due to geopolitical reasons

[TRANSITION]

[OUTRO]

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where we take a deeper look into how the

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to media and technology we discuss how

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today’s headlines

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are becoming tomorrow’s reality

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welcome to insights into tomorrow this

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is

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episode nine entertainment a la carte

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i’m your host joseph whalen and my

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co-host

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sam whalen hi everyone how you doing

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today sam

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i’m doing all right how you doing doing

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all right so aside from the landscapers

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that we’re dealing with here but that’s

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okay

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uh so this week we decided to sort of

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ratchet it down a few notches we’ve been

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having a

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last couple of podcasts we’ve done we’ve

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been doing some pretty heavy hitting

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timely subjects and with the

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election not too far away

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we knew we were probably going to be

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doing another heavy hitting one to cover

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that

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so this week we’re going to do something

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a little more lighthearted a little more

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fun

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and a little less dipped in controversy

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i guess i could say yeah so if you’re

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filling out your bingo cards about how

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we’re gonna get to the end of the world

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by the end of this i don’t know if

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you’re gonna win this time

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hopefully we won’t have doom and gloom

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buddy into the show like we usually do

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uh so this week we’re talking

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entertainment a la carte

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and when i say that

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there has been a desire

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by consumers for a very long time now

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to have entertainment the way they want

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it at their fingertips

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when they want it we’ve had

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different false starts different

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incarnations different

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hopes that we’ve seen through the

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industry so today we’re going to take a

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look

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at sort of what the history of what

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we’ve had

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what we’ve got today and where we think

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we’re going to be going in the future as

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far as

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what our command over our

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entertainment’s going to be

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before we do that though i did want to

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ready to get into it yes all right

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so first up i just wanted to sort of uh

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kind of summarize what we look what

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we’re looking at when it comes to

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entertainment here

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uh and how important entertainment is in

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the home

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but before we do that let me ask you sam

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what aspects of entertainment are

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important to you do you listen to music

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do you stream

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videos do you watch movies what’s your

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what’s your

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prescription for your entertainment um

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i’d say i mostly watch

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uh i watch a lot of youtube like i

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follow a lot of channels and watch

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content on there

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um and then from there it’s probably

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like netflix

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um i don’t really watch live tv tv at

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all anymore unless it’s like a football

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game or something and even then i’m only

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watching

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20 to 30 minutes um so for me it’s

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definitely mostly youtube

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uh podcasts like things on stitcher i

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listen a lot of things on there

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um and uh yeah netflix as they’re like

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the big three for me

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so what what about radio i know you know

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with

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the the college and everything that uh

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you have you know you’re you have a

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presence

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on broadcast radio do you listen to

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broadcast radio yourself

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much um if i’m in the car like on the

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car ride over here i definitely listen

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to it like i don’t

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i don’t have bluetooth in the car

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anything like that i’ll put on you know

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sports talk radio or

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or mmr or something like that um other

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than that

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i don’t really just tune on the radio

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just for fun um like in the mornings i’m

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getting ready i’m usually listening to a

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podcast it’s not so much the radio

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when i was younger i used to do that a

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lot until i got into podcasts

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sometimes you know if i’m taking a

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shower i’ll put the radio on but overall

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i’d say

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not really that often it’s mostly in the

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car okay yeah and how about movies do

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you

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do you have do you own dvds

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or blu-rays or do you stream most of

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your movies today

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i’m mostly streaming i mean i have i’d

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say probably like

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30 to 40 maybe blu-rays and a couple you

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know 4ks and things things like that

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movies that i really want to have

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you know the physical copy of movies

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that i are special to me or movies that

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i just like a lot

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um or movies that i got on sale for

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blu-rays because amazon does blu-ray

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sales all the time

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um so things like that i don’t have like

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a like i wouldn’t say my blu-ray

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collection is like my pride and joy

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um but it’s mostly just to have those

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physical copies just in case you know i

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can’t get the lord of the rings on

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you know netflix because they take it

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off all the time or something like that

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right right

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so it sounds like a good chunk of what

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you do is

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some of the more modern technologies

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then

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what about when you listen to radio do

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you is it

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talk shows you listen to is it music

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that you listen to or you listen to the

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sports radio

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yeah it’s mostly i mostly do sports talk

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you know 94.1 for our local area that’s

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like the sports and then there’s 97.5

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too

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i’ll alternate between those um i don’t

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really listen to music that much i don’t

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know something about hearing people talk

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and discuss i just like to listen to

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that more than

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you know a song i can pull up on my

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phone you know as a podcaster that’s

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exactly what i like to hear

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well it’s nice to not hear my own voice

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you know it’s nice to hear other people

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talk for a while

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absolutely so you know we’ve had various

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forms and we’re going to talk about the

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history of some of these forums

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uh in a little bit there but obviously

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we

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our entertainment started out as purely

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live entertainment if you went

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you know back in the 1800s and in the

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beginning of the 1900s

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if you wanted to be entertained you

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either produced music or entertainment

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at home or you went to go see it

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somewhere

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radio finally allowed us to bring it in

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the house

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then we moved from that naturally almost

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you know through my evolution through

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to tv then we started to have home

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entertainment systems

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vcrs dvds and so forth

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followed eventually by streaming but

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it was basically force fed to you so

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when you would listen to the radio

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you would have a schedule of things that

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you would listen to

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and if you missed your show you missed

0:07:58.479,0:08:02.720
it right

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so we started getting specialized radio

0:08:02.720,0:08:05.759
stations that’s where we get the sports

0:08:04.160,0:08:07.680
talk radio yeah four minutes

0:08:05.759,0:08:08.879
yeah you get your specialized formats i

0:08:07.680,0:08:10.960
remember you know

0:08:08.879,0:08:13.199
as a kid back in the 70s when you would

0:08:10.960,0:08:16.160
listen to the radio

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you would hear every genre of music on

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on a radio station you didn’t even have

0:08:18.160,0:08:23.360
specialized target audiences back in the

0:08:21.120,0:08:27.199
70s you didn’t start getting that until

0:08:23.360,0:08:28.560
mid 80s late 80s and tv channels started

0:08:27.199,0:08:30.240
doing the same thing

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you know i i’m gonna sound like my

0:08:30.240,0:08:33.519
father at this point but

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you know going back to when i was a kid

0:08:33.519,0:08:37.519
we didn’t have cable

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we had broadcast television you had

0:08:37.519,0:08:41.680
three six and ten

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in our area cbs abc

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and nbc and

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if you’re lucky you’d get a pbs station

0:08:47.519,0:08:50.160
but outside of that

0:08:49.200,0:08:52.880
you know that was what your

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entertainment was

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we’ve come a long way since then yeah

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we’ve gone the complete opposite way now

0:08:57.519,0:09:00.560
now people can have access to everything

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which

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i think a lot of people realize is too

0:09:02.000,0:09:06.640
much yeah yeah

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and what happened was when we got to the

0:09:06.640,0:09:11.680
point where there were certain things we

0:09:08.080,0:09:13.279
wanted to watch the advent of the vcr

0:09:11.680,0:09:15.120
kind of gave us that option where you

0:09:13.279,0:09:17.120
could set your vc if you were

0:09:15.120,0:09:18.959
you know a rocket scientist you could

0:09:17.120,0:09:21.279
figure out how to program your vcr to

0:09:18.959,0:09:22.880
actually record on a timer

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assuming the power didn’t go out and it

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lost its time

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you know there was a lot of factors

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involved in getting this technology to

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work at the time

0:09:29.839,0:09:33.279
so you would record your programs and

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then watch them after

0:09:33.279,0:09:36.880
after the fact you didn’t have streaming

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you didn’t have

0:09:36.880,0:09:40.399
dvrs even at the time yeah i think

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something that i’m sure

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i don’t want to get too far in ahead of

0:09:42.320,0:09:45.120
ourselves but one of the things we’ll

0:09:43.920,0:09:49.440
probably talk about is

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how as a as a society we’ve kind of

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we all like when it was the radio

0:09:51.200,0:09:53.360
everybody would gather around listen to

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the radio at the same time

0:09:53.360,0:09:57.519
all around the world so you’d all listen

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to you know something at 8pm

0:09:57.519,0:10:02.480
on a thursday every week everybody would

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do that but then as we kind of

0:10:02.480,0:10:06.399
went further and further down the

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timeline viewing experiences became more

0:10:06.399,0:10:09.839
individualized

0:10:07.440,0:10:10.640
where now it’s not everybody tunes in

0:10:09.839,0:10:12.240
sunday

0:10:10.640,0:10:13.680
to watch something i mean you still get

0:10:12.240,0:10:16.240
that with like sports

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but for things like like game of thrones

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right i mean

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that was kind of the last big thing that

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everybody would tune in

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and watch except for things like reality

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shows like

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the bachelor and things like that those

0:10:25.279,0:10:29.200
are usually still watched live

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but big entertainment moments like that

0:10:29.200,0:10:33.040
are getting more and more rare as

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you know people can watch and stream

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whatever they want whenever they want

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yeah and it’s it’s a very intimate

0:10:36.160,0:10:40.320
experience where you get to

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you get to build your entertainment

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consumption experience yourself

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and we didn’t start being able to do

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that until we got technology like the

0:10:46.880,0:10:49.760
vcr

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yep outside of that it was you were

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watching stuff on a schedule

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we got smart cable

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at some point in time in the 90s where

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you started getting video on demand

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where you were able to go in through

0:11:02.720,0:11:06.160
your cable box and say all right i want

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to watch a movie

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now whatever time it is and

0:11:09.920,0:11:12.560
they would charge you for that and they

0:11:11.600,0:11:15.440
would send you a bill for the

0:11:12.560,0:11:18.640
pay-per-view experience

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so there’s been a significant evolution

0:11:18.640,0:11:23.120
and and a lot of that’s been driven by

0:11:20.800,0:11:25.040
the technology

0:11:23.120,0:11:26.800
nowadays we have streaming and

0:11:25.040,0:11:29.760
everything is streaming now

0:11:26.800,0:11:30.880
this podcast is streaming uh television

0:11:29.760,0:11:32.560
streams you have

0:11:30.880,0:11:34.640
you have television networks news

0:11:32.560,0:11:36.480
networks that have no

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presence whatsoever on broadcast

0:11:36.480,0:11:40.399
television they stream entirely over the

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internet

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so it’s a it’s a almost a paradigm shift

0:11:43.200,0:11:46.079
in how we get

0:11:44.160,0:11:47.839
our entertainment and our information

0:11:46.079,0:11:50.800
these days

0:11:47.839,0:11:52.880
so that’s sort of the primer of how we

0:11:50.800,0:11:54.240
want to approach this

0:11:52.880,0:11:55.600
we’re going to come back after a quick

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break and we’re going to talk about the

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history

0:11:56.079,0:11:59.519
of some of these things and we’ll look

0:11:57.760,0:12:02.639
at some of the milestones

0:11:59.519,0:12:04.399
and see just how far we’ve come from a

0:12:02.639,0:12:11.300
technology standpoint

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we’ll be right back

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[Music]

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we’re talking entertainment a la carte

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today i’m your host joseph wellnes and

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sam whalen is with me today

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so over the air you know for for the

0:13:29.279,0:13:33.760
longest time

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broadcast radio and television was a

0:13:33.760,0:13:38.639
community service

0:13:35.440,0:13:41.760
all the way back starting in 1926 when

0:13:38.639,0:13:43.519
nbc first started the first national

0:13:41.760,0:13:45.920
broadcast

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it’s not quite that simple anymore is it

0:13:45.920,0:13:49.680
it’s it’s not

0:13:47.199,0:13:50.800
free open over the air anymore is it no

0:13:49.680,0:13:52.480
i mean back then

0:13:50.800,0:13:54.000
even before the first national radio

0:13:52.480,0:13:55.199
network and i only know this because i

0:13:54.000,0:13:56.959
took a class on this last

0:13:55.199,0:13:58.399
uh semester so you know i got to make

0:13:56.959,0:14:00.880
that education worth it

0:13:58.399,0:14:02.079
um it was only there were two channels

0:14:00.880,0:14:03.360
um am

0:14:02.079,0:14:04.720
and one was for crops and weather

0:14:03.360,0:14:05.920
reports the other was entertainment

0:14:04.720,0:14:08.720
which was mostly

0:14:05.920,0:14:10.480
music and like bible verses so that was

0:14:08.720,0:14:12.079
what radio was mostly for and it was

0:14:10.480,0:14:13.519
localized because there wasn’t any kind

0:14:12.079,0:14:15.040
of national network

0:14:13.519,0:14:17.120
so it was basically anybody could do it

0:14:15.040,0:14:18.720
and you could broadcast it anywhere

0:14:17.120,0:14:20.959
but then when you had nbc come along it

0:14:18.720,0:14:21.519
sort of became that network and nowadays

0:14:20.959,0:14:24.240
it’s

0:14:21.519,0:14:24.880
i mean it’s so far it’s still local in a

0:14:24.240,0:14:26.720
sense

0:14:24.880,0:14:28.399
because you’ll have local stations but

0:14:26.720,0:14:31.120
for most of them like um

0:14:28.399,0:14:33.839
we have a local rock station here wmr

0:14:31.120,0:14:35.680
and you can tune in that dial 93.3

0:14:33.839,0:14:37.839
but also they have a streaming app right

0:14:35.680,0:14:39.040
so they get all the time people all

0:14:37.839,0:14:41.279
across the world

0:14:39.040,0:14:43.519
tuning in and listening and you know

0:14:41.279,0:14:45.199
they they archive their morning shows

0:14:43.519,0:14:46.800
and you can tune in live and listen to

0:14:45.199,0:14:48.480
their music so it’s

0:14:46.800,0:14:50.320
it’s not you don’t need a radio to

0:14:48.480,0:14:52.800
listen to the radio anymore basically

0:14:50.320,0:14:54.399
exactly and in fact you know it’s funny

0:14:52.800,0:14:56.480
you mention that

0:14:54.399,0:14:58.560
cell phones all have radio receivers on

0:14:56.480,0:15:00.480
it most people don’t realize that there

0:14:58.560,0:15:02.800
are apps that you can get

0:15:00.480,0:15:04.880
that will tap into the radio antenna on

0:15:02.800,0:15:08.079
your phone and allow you to do it

0:15:04.880,0:15:09.920
and yeah we had a hurricane come through

0:15:08.079,0:15:12.880
a couple years back

0:15:09.920,0:15:14.800
and uh we lost power so we didn’t have

0:15:12.880,0:15:16.639
any battery-powered radios

0:15:14.800,0:15:18.000
so we actually wound up downloading the

0:15:16.639,0:15:18.880
app because we still had cellular

0:15:18.000,0:15:20.959
coverage

0:15:18.880,0:15:22.480
and we had an app that allowed us to get

0:15:20.959,0:15:26.639
uh weather radios

0:15:22.480,0:15:29.680
basically built into our phones so

0:15:26.639,0:15:32.639
broadcast radio is still going very

0:15:29.680,0:15:33.759
strongly out there

0:15:32.639,0:15:35.199
but it doesn’t give us that

0:15:33.759,0:15:35.680
personalization that i think we’re

0:15:35.199,0:15:38.560
looking

0:15:35.680,0:15:39.120
for a lot of radio stations that do

0:15:38.560,0:15:41.920
stream

0:15:39.120,0:15:43.600
they’ll stream multiple streams and you

0:15:41.920,0:15:44.880
can basically pick the streams that you

0:15:43.600,0:15:47.199
want pick the channels though

0:15:44.880,0:15:48.399
you want because a lot of our radio

0:15:47.199,0:15:52.560
networks

0:15:48.399,0:15:56.320
are multi-format network

0:15:52.560,0:15:57.600
so you might have clear channel being

0:15:56.320,0:16:00.240
one of the network

0:15:57.600,0:16:02.480
and that network may have 50 different

0:16:00.240,0:16:04.320
radio stations across the country

0:16:02.480,0:16:05.920
but you don’t have over-the-air rights

0:16:04.320,0:16:08.000
to to get most of those because of the

0:16:05.920,0:16:09.360
limitations of the technology

0:16:08.000,0:16:11.120
but they’ll stream all those on their

0:16:09.360,0:16:13.360
website so you can

0:16:11.120,0:16:16.240
literally listen to a radio station from

0:16:13.360,0:16:19.120
ohio or california or whatever

0:16:16.240,0:16:22.560
so technology has given us that ability

0:16:19.120,0:16:25.360
to choose at this point in time

0:16:22.560,0:16:27.519
and and as technology has evolved you

0:16:25.360,0:16:28.720
know we’ve gone from am to fm where we

0:16:27.519,0:16:32.000
can broadcast further

0:16:28.720,0:16:35.199
high fidelity and so forth

0:16:32.000,0:16:39.360
what do you think about satellite radio

0:16:35.199,0:16:40.399
satellite radio xm first introduced

0:16:39.360,0:16:43.600
satellite radio in

0:16:40.399,0:16:45.600
early 2000s the biggest

0:16:43.600,0:16:46.720
deal that they probably ever had was

0:16:45.600,0:16:49.680
when they brought in

0:16:46.720,0:16:51.519
howard stern how do you think that

0:16:49.680,0:16:52.160
impact has had because it’s subscription

0:16:51.519,0:16:55.360
based

0:16:52.160,0:16:57.360
it’s not free right and most cars today

0:16:55.360,0:17:00.079
if you buy a new car have an xm radio

0:16:57.360,0:17:00.079
built into it

0:17:00.480,0:17:04.480
do you think satellite radio gate gives

0:17:03.680,0:17:07.439
you that

0:17:04.480,0:17:08.160
that customization of your entertainment

0:17:07.439,0:17:10.079
choice

0:17:08.160,0:17:11.679
i think it’s definitely it was at the

0:17:10.079,0:17:12.799
time it was definitely a precursor what

0:17:11.679,0:17:14.799
we ended up seeing with things like

0:17:12.799,0:17:16.640
netflix and hulu and things like that

0:17:14.799,0:17:18.400
just for radio and especially with

0:17:16.640,0:17:20.000
howard stern because he wasn’t censored

0:17:18.400,0:17:21.439
that was like the big appeal of it

0:17:20.000,0:17:23.439
but what a lot of people forget is

0:17:21.439,0:17:25.520
before howard stern went to satellite

0:17:23.439,0:17:26.959
he was against it like vehemently he was

0:17:25.520,0:17:28.880
all about terrestrial radio

0:17:26.959,0:17:30.559
but then when his fines like almost

0:17:28.880,0:17:33.520
bankrupted his station

0:17:30.559,0:17:34.480
you know he had really no choice um but

0:17:33.520,0:17:37.039
yeah i definitely think

0:17:34.480,0:17:38.960
it was it was kind of a precursor and

0:17:37.039,0:17:42.000
you can customize it to an extent

0:17:38.960,0:17:43.200
but i think that subscription sort of is

0:17:42.000,0:17:44.720
kind of a bear to answer to a lot of

0:17:43.200,0:17:46.720
people it’s a bare entry to me

0:17:44.720,0:17:48.880
because not only did i not want to pay

0:17:46.720,0:17:51.120
the subscription but i also don’t have a

0:17:48.880,0:17:52.080
radio that can use it you know i got it

0:17:51.120,0:17:54.240
for free a little

0:17:52.080,0:17:55.919
like a trial a while back and i was

0:17:54.240,0:17:57.360
using it on my phone

0:17:55.919,0:17:58.320
but if i’m going to use my phone to

0:17:57.360,0:18:00.160
listen to something on project you can

0:17:58.320,0:18:01.520
listen to a podcast so and without

0:18:00.160,0:18:03.200
having it in a car

0:18:01.520,0:18:04.640
you know there’s that entry there so if

0:18:03.200,0:18:06.320
you’re buying a new car and

0:18:04.640,0:18:08.080
you get it for free for three months or

0:18:06.320,0:18:08.960
you know included i can definitely see

0:18:08.080,0:18:10.880
you using it

0:18:08.960,0:18:13.120
um not to mention that you do have a lot

0:18:10.880,0:18:15.120
of great personalities and great

0:18:13.120,0:18:16.640
stations on satellite radio that

0:18:15.120,0:18:18.880
there’s most likely something for

0:18:16.640,0:18:21.360
everybody yeah and and i’ll tell you

0:18:18.880,0:18:22.799
when i bought my new car it it came with

0:18:21.360,0:18:26.799
that three months of

0:18:22.799,0:18:28.480
xm free and the problem that i had with

0:18:26.799,0:18:30.160
that is the same problem that i have

0:18:28.480,0:18:32.799
with cable television today and we’ll

0:18:30.160,0:18:35.679
get in a little bit more

0:18:32.799,0:18:37.520
it’s 180 channels and how do i find what

0:18:35.679,0:18:39.520
i want to listen to

0:18:37.520,0:18:41.600
it was an overwhelming experience to

0:18:39.520,0:18:44.720
have that much choice

0:18:41.600,0:18:45.840
and it’s kind of ironic because it’s

0:18:44.720,0:18:48.799
that choice that

0:18:45.840,0:18:50.320
we’ve demanded for years now you know i

0:18:48.799,0:18:52.160
want the ability to

0:18:50.320,0:18:54.480
make my entertainment selections the way

0:18:52.160,0:18:55.600
that i want

0:18:54.480,0:18:57.840
and television televisions kind of

0:18:55.600,0:18:59.840
evolved the same way that radio did

0:18:57.840,0:19:01.679
you know it started out in its infancy

0:18:59.840,0:19:03.280
you had very few stations that you could

0:19:01.679,0:19:06.960
see anything with

0:19:03.280,0:19:09.360
and everything was over the air and then

0:19:06.960,0:19:10.000
you know they came to the point where

0:19:09.360,0:19:12.960
you’re able

0:19:10.000,0:19:14.799
to make money off of it and most most

0:19:12.960,0:19:15.520
contracts most money that you get out of

0:19:14.799,0:19:18.080
television

0:19:15.520,0:19:20.240
at least in the early days was all

0:19:18.080,0:19:23.520
advertising

0:19:20.240,0:19:24.000
whereas you get into the cable model and

0:19:23.520,0:19:26.080
you

0:19:24.000,0:19:28.320
you get into more of a subscription type

0:19:26.080,0:19:28.320
model

0:19:29.200,0:19:35.039
but you know television was first

0:19:31.120,0:19:37.280
introduced in the early 20s

0:19:35.039,0:19:38.080
at the world’s fair and then in 31 by

0:19:37.280,0:19:40.320
1931

0:19:38.080,0:19:41.520
you had 40 000 televisions in the united

0:19:40.320,0:19:43.919
states

0:19:41.520,0:19:45.440
you had two networks transmitting at

0:19:43.919,0:19:47.600
that time

0:19:45.440,0:19:49.679
and they were local stations you had to

0:19:47.600,0:19:51.760
be in those local areas new york being

0:19:49.679,0:19:54.559
one of the markets

0:19:51.760,0:19:55.280
and somewhere in the midwest i forget

0:19:54.559,0:19:59.840
where the other

0:19:55.280,0:20:02.000
market was but it wasn’t until 1936

0:19:59.840,0:20:04.080
and not even in our country but in bbc

0:20:02.000,0:20:07.200
before you get

0:20:04.080,0:20:08.320
dedicated programming and bbc’s

0:20:07.200,0:20:10.000
opened up with three hours of

0:20:08.320,0:20:11.760
programming can you imagine a television

0:20:10.000,0:20:12.960
station with three hours of programming

0:20:11.760,0:20:15.280
i mean

0:20:12.960,0:20:16.640
like what do you do at that point in

0:20:15.280,0:20:18.240
time i mean it’s a pretty big three

0:20:16.640,0:20:18.640
hours right i mean if nobody had ever

0:20:18.240,0:20:19.919
seen

0:20:18.640,0:20:21.840
nobody had ever seen anything like this

0:20:19.919,0:20:22.400
before so those three hours people were

0:20:21.840,0:20:24.320
probably

0:20:22.400,0:20:25.840
you know enraptured by this thing yeah

0:20:24.320,0:20:28.240
and i mean there’s a lot of parallels

0:20:25.840,0:20:30.159
between tv and radio and their evolution

0:20:28.240,0:20:31.760
um and you see that a lot with this

0:20:30.159,0:20:33.039
because radio didn’t have

0:20:31.760,0:20:34.480
programming all the time either until

0:20:33.039,0:20:35.600
much later i think it was like the 70s

0:20:34.480,0:20:37.360
when that became

0:20:35.600,0:20:38.799
like and or maybe that was tv where it

0:20:37.360,0:20:41.280
wouldn’t shut off at night

0:20:38.799,0:20:43.200
yeah i mean as a kid i remember midnight

0:20:41.280,0:20:45.440
or one o’clock in the morning

0:20:43.200,0:20:46.480
you know your your tv stations you’d see

0:20:45.440,0:20:49.120
a picture

0:20:46.480,0:20:50.640
of a video of the american flag they

0:20:49.120,0:20:52.000
played the national anthem and they

0:20:50.640,0:20:54.080
shut off until eight o’clock the next

0:20:52.000,0:20:56.000
morning when the news started for nat

0:20:54.080,0:20:58.559
like for modern audiences that’s

0:20:56.000,0:21:00.159
an insane concept because now it’s again

0:20:58.559,0:21:01.600
we’re and we keep making this comparison

0:21:00.159,0:21:02.080
but it’s the complete opposite where

0:21:01.600,0:21:05.440
you’re just

0:21:02.080,0:21:07.520
inundated with content all the time

0:21:05.440,0:21:10.080
yeah and and you saw some monumental

0:21:07.520,0:21:10.559
achievements in television like in 67

0:21:10.080,0:21:13.520
when

0:21:10.559,0:21:16.400
when we get pbs where it’s publicly

0:21:13.520,0:21:18.159
funded broadcasting

0:21:16.400,0:21:20.240
you know they mandated children’s

0:21:18.159,0:21:22.720
programming with

0:21:20.240,0:21:24.159
children television workshop in 1969

0:21:22.720,0:21:26.159
with sesame street

0:21:24.159,0:21:27.440
so you had a lot of positive things come

0:21:26.159,0:21:30.080
out

0:21:27.440,0:21:32.320
based on demand and i think that’s

0:21:30.080,0:21:34.640
really the important thing is

0:21:32.320,0:21:36.640
as people started to consume the media

0:21:34.640,0:21:38.799
that was out there

0:21:36.640,0:21:40.640
they realized they wanted more they

0:21:38.799,0:21:42.799
wanted specific programming

0:21:40.640,0:21:46.320
they wanted specific shows they wanted

0:21:42.799,0:21:48.240
to watch their local sports franchises

0:21:46.320,0:21:49.840
and as a result of that you started to

0:21:48.240,0:21:54.720
see more

0:21:49.840,0:21:57.120
specialized television networks come out

0:21:54.720,0:21:58.080
and a lot of that fell over into the

0:21:57.120,0:22:00.480
cable industry

0:21:58.080,0:22:02.000
as well because there’s only a certain

0:22:00.480,0:22:03.840
amount that you can get out of an

0:22:02.000,0:22:05.280
over-the-air broadcast with television

0:22:03.840,0:22:08.799
at the time

0:22:05.280,0:22:10.840
and really the latest the late latest

0:22:08.799,0:22:12.159
biggest innovation over the year

0:22:10.840,0:22:14.720
television

0:22:12.159,0:22:16.240
wasn’t until 2009 when they went all

0:22:14.720,0:22:20.480
digital

0:22:16.240,0:22:23.360
which i got to tell you that was a real

0:22:20.480,0:22:24.159
monster to deal with because you had

0:22:23.360,0:22:27.280
people

0:22:24.159,0:22:29.200
throughout the country who didn’t have

0:22:27.280,0:22:32.240
cable couldn’t afford cable

0:22:29.200,0:22:35.919
and they were getting all of their their

0:22:32.240,0:22:38.880
news and sports and everything over

0:22:35.919,0:22:40.480
over the air broadcasts and with the the

0:22:38.880,0:22:41.840
mandate to move to all digital the

0:22:40.480,0:22:44.000
reason for the all digital is because of

0:22:41.840,0:22:44.799
how much more data you can put out over

0:22:44.000,0:22:48.799
a digital

0:22:44.799,0:22:51.840
signal than you ever could over

0:22:48.799,0:22:52.480
an analog signal and you see now with

0:22:51.840,0:22:54.159
digital

0:22:52.480,0:22:55.840
subscript which with digital

0:22:54.159,0:22:57.919
transmissions

0:22:55.840,0:23:00.000
you know your local abc station might be

0:22:57.919,0:23:02.000
putting out five different

0:23:00.000,0:23:03.520
channels over the bandwidth that used to

0:23:02.000,0:23:05.679
use for one

0:23:03.520,0:23:07.520
so there was a definite benefit to it

0:23:05.679,0:23:09.200
but it also required everyone to replace

0:23:07.520,0:23:12.240
all their equipment

0:23:09.200,0:23:14.720
which is expensive so much so that when

0:23:12.240,0:23:16.000
they went through this process

0:23:14.720,0:23:18.159
the federal government actually

0:23:16.000,0:23:20.559
subsidized it you could go

0:23:18.159,0:23:22.240
to the government and get a coupon not

0:23:20.559,0:23:24.799
really to buy a digital antenna

0:23:22.240,0:23:26.240
at the time and the program ran for like

0:23:24.799,0:23:28.480
18 months or something like that i

0:23:26.240,0:23:31.520
remember when it when it ran

0:23:28.480,0:23:33.600
and uh they funded it with you know a

0:23:31.520,0:23:35.280
ludicrous amount of money

0:23:33.600,0:23:36.640
and even after that fact people still

0:23:35.280,0:23:38.799
didn’t have it

0:23:36.640,0:23:40.320
because of how inaccessible it was for a

0:23:38.799,0:23:41.679
lot of people

0:23:40.320,0:23:43.760
there’s a lot of televisions that sit

0:23:41.679,0:23:44.960
around right now that have no function

0:23:43.760,0:23:46.720
whatsoever because nothing’s

0:23:44.960,0:23:50.480
broadcasting on frequencies they can

0:23:46.720,0:23:52.240
receive so then we move into

0:23:50.480,0:23:54.559
you know the natural progression i think

0:23:52.240,0:23:56.159
is cable television

0:23:54.559,0:23:59.039
and it’s funny because in in doing the

0:23:56.159,0:24:00.720
research for the podcast today

0:23:59.039,0:24:02.159
i learned a lot about cable television

0:24:00.720,0:24:06.240
that i didn’t know

0:24:02.159,0:24:10.240
the fact that it’s existed since 1948

0:24:06.240,0:24:13.600
blew my mind like i came my

0:24:10.240,0:24:15.440
when i grew up i came from a fairly

0:24:13.600,0:24:17.279
underprivileged house we didn’t have a

0:24:15.440,0:24:20.720
lot of money coming in

0:24:17.279,0:24:23.679
so my dad did not subscribe to cable for

0:24:20.720,0:24:23.679
a very long time

0:24:24.159,0:24:29.440
but uh i kind of thought he was just

0:24:26.559,0:24:31.279
sort of behind the times in the 70s

0:24:29.440,0:24:34.159
not realizing that cable’s been around

0:24:31.279,0:24:36.480
since the 1940s

0:24:34.159,0:24:38.320
so that was a that was a big thing for

0:24:36.480,0:24:41.360
me to realize it

0:24:38.320,0:24:43.200
but cable television progressed i think

0:24:41.360,0:24:45.600
at a rate much faster

0:24:43.200,0:24:47.039
than over-the-air transmissions did you

0:24:45.600,0:24:49.520
make a lot more money from it

0:24:47.039,0:24:51.200
and that’s that’s exactly it you have

0:24:49.520,0:24:54.320
people that are paying you you know

0:24:51.200,0:24:56.320
it in 1950 tuckerman appliance an

0:24:54.320,0:24:59.039
appliance store that sold tvs

0:24:56.320,0:25:00.080
started their own cable network could

0:24:59.039,0:25:02.559
you imagine that

0:25:00.080,0:25:03.679
today one of the biggest radio stations

0:25:02.559,0:25:06.240
in philly was uh

0:25:03.679,0:25:06.880
originally was from uh the appliance

0:25:06.240,0:25:09.120
store right

0:25:06.880,0:25:10.159
blind stores were like they had a lot of

0:25:09.120,0:25:12.400
power yeah

0:25:10.159,0:25:13.919
it was they would they would buy their

0:25:12.400,0:25:15.520
feeds and then they would send it out to

0:25:13.919,0:25:17.840
their customers

0:25:15.520,0:25:18.720
and people in arkansas were paying three

0:25:17.840,0:25:21.919
dollars a month

0:25:18.720,0:25:25.120
for cable and it was because they were

0:25:21.919,0:25:26.720
they were rural households

0:25:25.120,0:25:28.640
that weren’t close enough to a

0:25:26.720,0:25:30.240
transmitting station so they’d

0:25:28.640,0:25:32.000
physically run a cable out there and

0:25:30.240,0:25:34.320
then wire up the little net the little

0:25:32.000,0:25:34.320
town

0:25:34.559,0:25:43.279
so in 1972 you start getting into

0:25:38.960,0:25:45.919
specialized television so you get hbo

0:25:43.279,0:25:48.000
and then that sort of opened up the

0:25:45.919,0:25:52.240
pandora’s box

0:25:48.000,0:25:52.240
you know to use a bad pun there

0:25:52.640,0:25:56.400
you started in the 80s and 90s you

0:25:55.279,0:25:58.000
really started getting so you got

0:25:56.400,0:26:00.000
channels for everything

0:25:58.000,0:26:01.760
you got channels for cooking you have

0:26:00.000,0:26:05.760
multiple channels for cooking

0:26:01.760,0:26:09.279
you got home shopping channels you got

0:26:05.760,0:26:11.039
multiple music television channels

0:26:09.279,0:26:11.480
none of which ironically play music

0:26:11.039,0:26:13.190
anymore

0:26:11.480,0:26:14.799
[Laughter]

0:26:13.190,0:26:16.960
[Music]

0:26:14.799,0:26:20.000
these were what were categorized as

0:26:16.960,0:26:22.000
narrow casting channels

0:26:20.000,0:26:23.600
and some of these which was which is

0:26:22.000,0:26:27.919
kind of interesting they started

0:26:23.600,0:26:29.840
out as regional like for instance um

0:26:27.919,0:26:31.919
sports channel new york started out as

0:26:29.840,0:26:35.039
just regional

0:26:31.919,0:26:36.480
sports broadcasting and that eventually

0:26:35.039,0:26:40.400
evolved in the spot

0:26:36.480,0:26:42.480
fox sports so from humble beginnings to

0:26:40.400,0:26:43.919
a major player in the sports franchise

0:26:42.480,0:26:47.120
market now

0:26:43.919,0:26:48.640
um you had other things like um bet

0:26:47.120,0:26:50.880
black entertainment television

0:26:48.640,0:26:54.400
that’s a channel all of its own with its

0:26:50.880,0:26:58.640
own award-winning programming today

0:26:54.400,0:27:00.640
started out as a segment on usa networks

0:26:58.640,0:27:01.919
so they had a couple of hours a week

0:27:00.640,0:27:02.720
that they would broadcast it and

0:27:01.919,0:27:04.159
eventually

0:27:02.720,0:27:06.559
there was such a demand for it that they

0:27:04.159,0:27:08.240
came out with an entire network for

0:27:06.559,0:27:10.559
and that’s what i’m talking about like

0:27:08.240,0:27:13.039
very specialized networks

0:27:10.559,0:27:14.720
uh you’ve got sci-fi network you’ve got

0:27:13.039,0:27:16.080
history you’ve got multiple history

0:27:14.720,0:27:19.679
channels

0:27:16.080,0:27:22.559
so the the idea of catering to all of

0:27:19.679,0:27:25.279
these entertainment needs

0:27:22.559,0:27:25.919
was fulfilled in the specialized

0:27:25.279,0:27:29.520
networks

0:27:25.919,0:27:31.279
the specialized channels on cable tv

0:27:29.520,0:27:33.600
but you still didn’t have the ability to

0:27:31.279,0:27:36.000
get what you want when you wanted

0:27:33.600,0:27:37.520
you were still bound to a schedule and

0:27:36.000,0:27:40.799
that’s really what’s

0:27:37.520,0:27:44.159
probably held cable television back for

0:27:40.799,0:27:47.440
the longest time until the 19

0:27:44.159,0:27:50.080
late 1990s early 2000s

0:27:47.440,0:27:52.399
you started to get your video on demand

0:27:50.080,0:27:54.480
you started to get more pay-per-view

0:27:52.399,0:27:56.559
so you could if you wanted to watch a

0:27:54.480,0:27:58.240
boxing match or a wrestling match or

0:27:56.559,0:28:00.559
whatever it was

0:27:58.240,0:28:03.279
you could pay for it one-time fee get it

0:28:00.559,0:28:07.279
and watch it with all your friends

0:28:03.279,0:28:11.279
the real shift i think in cable tv

0:28:07.279,0:28:14.840
came with tivo and dvr

0:28:11.279,0:28:17.600
where you could time shift your

0:28:14.840,0:28:20.880
entertainment net so now tivo

0:28:17.600,0:28:23.760
tivo was unique in the business because

0:28:20.880,0:28:26.799
it had a very intelligent algorithm so

0:28:23.760,0:28:28.720
as you would record certain programs

0:28:26.799,0:28:30.159
it would associate those programs with

0:28:28.720,0:28:31.919
ones you’re not recording and then

0:28:30.159,0:28:34.640
offer you suggestions on what you might

0:28:31.919,0:28:35.679
like so then you can sort of pick and

0:28:34.640,0:28:38.000
choose

0:28:35.679,0:28:40.000
the shows that you want and get them a

0:28:38.000,0:28:43.200
la carte that was really the first a la

0:28:40.000,0:28:46.640
carte entertainment package you had

0:28:43.200,0:28:48.159
the problem with that was that you still

0:28:46.640,0:28:51.440
had to subscribe

0:28:48.159,0:28:54.960
to all of those channels and i think the

0:28:51.440,0:28:57.039
downfall that cable has always had

0:28:54.960,0:28:58.880
when you go to your cable company and

0:28:57.039,0:29:02.080
you want to get a subscription

0:28:58.880,0:29:03.600
there’s multiple packages that you have

0:29:02.080,0:29:06.159
to choose from

0:29:03.600,0:29:07.520
and yeah you can pay through the nose

0:29:06.159,0:29:09.279
and get the super deluxe and get

0:29:07.520,0:29:10.799
everything but

0:29:09.279,0:29:12.320
you might want to just get one of the

0:29:10.799,0:29:14.240
channels in one of the packages and you

0:29:12.320,0:29:17.520
have to take all of them

0:29:14.240,0:29:20.159
so the the cord cutters of the world in

0:29:17.520,0:29:22.640
the 2000s got to the point of

0:29:20.159,0:29:24.720
trying to find ways to not have to

0:29:22.640,0:29:26.559
subscribe to all those channels and just

0:29:24.720,0:29:28.880
get what you want

0:29:26.559,0:29:30.880
and that leads us up to sort of where we

0:29:28.880,0:29:31.840
are today with all the streaming options

0:29:30.880,0:29:33.919
yeah i mean that’s

0:29:31.840,0:29:35.360
that option that ability to pick and

0:29:33.919,0:29:36.559
choose challenges and the entire

0:29:35.360,0:29:38.880
marketing platform

0:29:36.559,0:29:40.399
for things like sling where you can pick

0:29:38.880,0:29:42.399
and choose your channels or i think

0:29:40.399,0:29:45.200
hulu live tv does that too well even

0:29:42.399,0:29:48.240
sling so sling and hulu live give you

0:29:45.200,0:29:50.320
packages that you can choose from

0:29:48.240,0:29:51.840
you can’t choose individual channels

0:29:50.320,0:29:53.919
okay so

0:29:51.840,0:29:54.880
it’s not as bad as the cable company

0:29:53.919,0:29:57.840
it’s still cheaper

0:29:54.880,0:29:59.600
it’s much cheaper than the cable company

0:29:57.840,0:30:01.520
but the problem that you run into now is

0:29:59.600,0:30:02.320
all that’s delivered to you is digital

0:30:01.520,0:30:04.159
content

0:30:02.320,0:30:05.840
over the internet yeah so you have to

0:30:04.159,0:30:08.159
worry about your internet speeds

0:30:05.840,0:30:08.880
absolutely so you have internet

0:30:08.159,0:30:11.760
companies

0:30:08.880,0:30:14.320
that are you have cable companies that

0:30:11.760,0:30:17.919
are becoming internet companies

0:30:14.320,0:30:21.440
and in doing that you run into

0:30:17.919,0:30:26.000
what is often referred to as the

0:30:21.440,0:30:26.000
um uh

0:30:26.159,0:30:30.559
monopoly well no they’ve been monopolies

0:30:28.960,0:30:34.080
for a long time

0:30:30.559,0:30:35.360
net neutrality oh okay so and with net

0:30:34.080,0:30:37.760
neutrality

0:30:35.360,0:30:39.039
the concept behind net neutrality is

0:30:37.760,0:30:40.240
data is data

0:30:39.039,0:30:42.159
doesn’t matter where it is where it

0:30:40.240,0:30:44.240
comes from what it contains it’s data it

0:30:42.159,0:30:47.440
should all be treated the same

0:30:44.240,0:30:49.760
and the cable companies

0:30:47.440,0:30:51.039
want their data to be treated better

0:30:49.760,0:30:53.039
than others

0:30:51.039,0:30:54.640
and netflix ran into this very early on

0:30:53.039,0:30:55.840
with a lot of the cable companies cock

0:30:54.640,0:30:58.960
cable

0:30:55.840,0:31:00.320
comcast and a few others where they were

0:30:58.960,0:31:02.320
throttling

0:31:00.320,0:31:03.600
the bandwidth that people were using for

0:31:02.320,0:31:06.320
netflix

0:31:03.600,0:31:08.799
so you may have an unlimited agreement

0:31:06.320,0:31:10.640
with your cable company for data

0:31:08.799,0:31:11.919
but if they see that the majority of the

0:31:10.640,0:31:14.080
data that you’re using

0:31:11.919,0:31:15.519
comes from outside their network from

0:31:14.080,0:31:17.039
netflix

0:31:15.519,0:31:19.600
they throttle it you see a lot of

0:31:17.039,0:31:22.240
buffering your quality goes down

0:31:19.600,0:31:24.960
and they’re trying to push their own

0:31:22.240,0:31:26.240
video on demand services instead

0:31:24.960,0:31:28.480
which they don’t count against your

0:31:26.240,0:31:31.600
bandwidth caps

0:31:28.480,0:31:33.039
so none of this has been resolved this

0:31:31.600,0:31:35.840
is still a problem

0:31:33.039,0:31:37.120
but what’s happening is cable companies

0:31:35.840,0:31:39.519
are becoming less about

0:31:37.120,0:31:41.760
providing cable and more about becoming

0:31:39.519,0:31:44.720
internet companies in general

0:31:41.760,0:31:45.919
and until all that sort of washes out

0:31:44.720,0:31:47.600
we’re going gonna have a fight on our

0:31:45.919,0:31:49.519
hands here

0:31:47.600,0:31:50.720
because they’re losing money and and

0:31:49.519,0:31:54.000
they try to get it back

0:31:50.720,0:31:55.919
by offering you bundles so for instance

0:31:54.000,0:31:57.600
if all you need is internet

0:31:55.919,0:32:00.480
it’s cheaper for you to get internet

0:31:57.600,0:32:03.440
cable and phone than just internet

0:32:00.480,0:32:04.480
for the first year after that the rates

0:32:03.440,0:32:06.880
go up

0:32:04.480,0:32:09.200
but they lock you into a two-year deal

0:32:06.880,0:32:12.080
minimum

0:32:09.200,0:32:14.399
so you know i can’t blame the cable

0:32:12.080,0:32:17.440
companies they’re trying to make a buck

0:32:14.399,0:32:19.440
it’s their job but in the end it’s the

0:32:17.440,0:32:21.840
consumers that wind up paying for

0:32:19.440,0:32:22.960
yeah and even now i mean we have xfinity

0:32:21.840,0:32:24.640
and you can

0:32:22.960,0:32:26.960
you can watch netflix and hulu and

0:32:24.640,0:32:28.799
amazon prime all through xfinity

0:32:26.960,0:32:30.080
so i mean i’m sure there’s there’s kind

0:32:28.799,0:32:31.200
of handshakes there

0:32:30.080,0:32:33.200
where they kind of meet in the middle

0:32:31.200,0:32:35.360
and they say well okay netflix

0:32:33.200,0:32:36.720
we’ll host your platform here you’ll get

0:32:35.360,0:32:37.919
a lot more viewers

0:32:36.720,0:32:40.080
but you still have to subscribe to

0:32:37.919,0:32:41.120
netflix to access those services right

0:32:40.080,0:32:42.399
you don’t get any of that for free i

0:32:41.120,0:32:43.519
think with xfinity you only get like

0:32:42.399,0:32:47.519
peacock for free

0:32:43.519,0:32:48.960
because it’s nbc comcast same company um

0:32:47.519,0:32:51.039
but those kind of they’re kind of

0:32:48.960,0:32:51.760
merging now and we’re just gonna have a

0:32:51.039,0:32:53.440
big old

0:32:51.760,0:32:55.039
blob of media eventually that’s just

0:32:53.440,0:32:56.720
everything well and it’s funny you

0:32:55.039,0:32:58.880
mentioned that because the solution that

0:32:56.720,0:33:01.039
netflix eventually came up with was they

0:32:58.880,0:33:02.720
would implant caching servers in the

0:33:01.039,0:33:04.399
cable providers

0:33:02.720,0:33:05.840
and they would pay the cable providers a

0:33:04.399,0:33:08.000
certain amount of money

0:33:05.840,0:33:09.200
they would put a physical box inside

0:33:08.000,0:33:11.120
their network

0:33:09.200,0:33:12.559
so when you went to watch if you went

0:33:11.120,0:33:14.240
the stream game of thrones off of

0:33:12.559,0:33:16.799
netflix

0:33:14.240,0:33:19.519
it would download from netflix’s home

0:33:16.799,0:33:21.679
server to the caching server there

0:33:19.519,0:33:22.559
you would watch it but anybody else who

0:33:21.679,0:33:24.399
went to watch

0:33:22.559,0:33:26.000
game of thrones would pull it from that

0:33:24.399,0:33:28.320
caching server

0:33:26.000,0:33:29.840
so the result of that was it didn’t put

0:33:28.320,0:33:32.080
a demand

0:33:29.840,0:33:34.880
on the backbones the internet backbone

0:33:32.080,0:33:37.360
connections the cable companies have

0:33:34.880,0:33:38.080
so that was an exclusive deal they offer

0:33:37.360,0:33:41.120
to netflix

0:33:38.080,0:33:42.880
that they’re not offering to other uh

0:33:41.120,0:33:44.159
streaming providers either and i’m not

0:33:42.880,0:33:45.120
even sure they’re still offering they’re

0:33:44.159,0:33:46.320
still

0:33:45.120,0:33:48.159
debate whether or not they’re still

0:33:46.320,0:33:49.120
offering that service i know comcast was

0:33:48.159,0:33:51.440
having a

0:33:49.120,0:33:53.760
bit of an issue with that where they

0:33:51.440,0:33:55.440
stopped offering it to netflix

0:33:53.760,0:33:57.120
but it’s all you’re right it’s you

0:33:55.440,0:33:58.559
scratch my back i’ll scratch yours and

0:33:57.120,0:34:00.640
we’ll all make a buck off for the

0:33:58.559,0:34:02.159
end consumer not to mention now i mean

0:34:00.640,0:34:04.960
you’ve got disney

0:34:02.159,0:34:06.640
in which now effectively owns hulu

0:34:04.960,0:34:07.919
because they own fox right so it’s a lot

0:34:06.640,0:34:09.119
of that programming too

0:34:07.919,0:34:11.520
so it’s not just these streaming

0:34:09.119,0:34:12.960
companies are not like small businesses

0:34:11.520,0:34:15.200
they’re all i mean i don’t think netflix

0:34:12.960,0:34:16.800
is owned by any major corporation no

0:34:15.200,0:34:18.159
netflix is still independent yeah and

0:34:16.800,0:34:21.200
then amazon obviously is

0:34:18.159,0:34:24.800
a mega corporation so you know

0:34:21.200,0:34:26.079
the streaming service is just a portion

0:34:24.800,0:34:28.159
for the mo for most of these companies

0:34:26.079,0:34:29.679
just a portion of their revenue right i

0:34:28.159,0:34:30.639
mean except for netflix but even then i

0:34:29.679,0:34:32.399
mean they’re still

0:34:30.639,0:34:34.079
they’ve moved more into film and you

0:34:32.399,0:34:36.079
know production in general too

0:34:34.079,0:34:37.280
so they’re more of a they’re not just

0:34:36.079,0:34:38.639
streaming anymore they’re making a lot

0:34:37.280,0:34:40.240
of their own content as well

0:34:38.639,0:34:41.839
and you know it’s interesting to mention

0:34:40.240,0:34:44.720
that so so we talked over the

0:34:41.839,0:34:46.639
radio television and cable the

0:34:44.720,0:34:47.280
alternatives that we had to get our a la

0:34:46.639,0:34:50.399
carte

0:34:47.280,0:34:53.040
fix of entertainment were vcrs

0:34:50.399,0:34:56.079
you know the vcrs came out in the 1970s

0:34:53.040,0:35:00.640
they became popular in the 80s

0:34:56.079,0:35:02.320
blockbuster video became opened in 85.

0:35:00.640,0:35:04.160
so if you wanted to watch a movie you

0:35:02.320,0:35:05.520
could a la carte on demand go down and

0:35:04.160,0:35:06.079
get a movie and bring it home and watch

0:35:05.520,0:35:07.920
it

0:35:06.079,0:35:10.240
as long as you rewind rewound it you

0:35:07.920,0:35:12.800
were fine

0:35:10.240,0:35:16.400
dvds became the alternative they were

0:35:12.800,0:35:19.040
much more convenient higher quality

0:35:16.400,0:35:20.640
first dvds were released in 97

0:35:19.040,0:35:21.680
blockbuster started carrying them in

0:35:20.640,0:35:23.839
2001

0:35:21.680,0:35:25.839
they kind of missed the boat on that a

0:35:23.839,0:35:28.400
certain amount

0:35:25.839,0:35:28.960
hollywood video actually started dvd

0:35:28.400,0:35:31.920
rentals

0:35:28.960,0:35:32.320
as soon as they became available but the

0:35:31.920,0:35:37.200
one

0:35:32.320,0:35:40.480
interesting thing with blockbuster was

0:35:37.200,0:35:42.880
when blu-ray came out there was as

0:35:40.480,0:35:44.079
just like with vcr when when vhs came

0:35:42.880,0:35:47.680
out you had betamax

0:35:44.079,0:35:51.359
as an alternative when

0:35:47.680,0:35:54.640
dvd hd blu-rays came out you had hd

0:35:51.359,0:35:56.960
video and when

0:35:54.640,0:35:58.000
blockbuster had such a huge portion of

0:35:56.960,0:35:59.599
the market

0:35:58.000,0:36:01.040
that they decided that they were going

0:35:59.599,0:36:03.680
to go blu-ray

0:36:01.040,0:36:04.400
and as soon as that happened it

0:36:03.680,0:36:07.520
basically

0:36:04.400,0:36:08.880
was the end of life for hd dvd at that

0:36:07.520,0:36:10.800
point

0:36:08.880,0:36:12.079
so they had such a huge segment in the

0:36:10.800,0:36:15.040
market that they could make that

0:36:12.079,0:36:17.200
kind of demand but then you see other

0:36:15.040,0:36:18.960
services like redbox pop up

0:36:17.200,0:36:21.040
you know you see red boxes all over the

0:36:18.960,0:36:22.320
place still even though a lot of people

0:36:21.040,0:36:23.760
are streaming stuff

0:36:22.320,0:36:26.400
i think redbox is a streaming service

0:36:23.760,0:36:27.599
too you can stream and i think they make

0:36:26.400,0:36:29.359
they have their own original things like

0:36:27.599,0:36:30.240
i don’t know if they make it like i

0:36:29.359,0:36:31.520
don’t know if they produce it like

0:36:30.240,0:36:32.000
netflix does but they can definitely

0:36:31.520,0:36:33.839
license

0:36:32.000,0:36:35.040
and stream a lot of stuff on their own

0:36:33.839,0:36:37.599
site as well yeah

0:36:35.040,0:36:39.280
so so and and then streaming you know

0:36:37.599,0:36:41.200
streaming really started in in the early

0:36:39.280,0:36:42.400
90s the problem you had was your data

0:36:41.200,0:36:45.680
connections

0:36:42.400,0:36:47.520
um the first practical codex for

0:36:45.680,0:36:50.079
streaming the compression algorithms for

0:36:47.520,0:36:54.079
streaming came out in 92

0:36:50.079,0:36:57.119
but 92 was also when we had

0:36:54.079,0:36:58.800
33k bald modems you didn’t have your

0:36:57.119,0:37:01.599
high speed data connections your cable

0:36:58.800,0:37:03.520
modems your dsl even at that time

0:37:01.599,0:37:05.440
so that kind of killed a lot of what you

0:37:03.520,0:37:08.480
could do with it there

0:37:05.440,0:37:11.280
but the real streaming services itself

0:37:08.480,0:37:14.400
didn’t start until 2005 when youtube

0:37:11.280,0:37:15.280
uh opened up business and and at the

0:37:14.400,0:37:18.560
time

0:37:15.280,0:37:20.240
it youtube and streaming was

0:37:18.560,0:37:22.160
you know youtube was where people posted

0:37:20.240,0:37:25.599
their videos it was

0:37:22.160,0:37:26.960
the tick tock of today that’s what

0:37:25.599,0:37:30.160
youtube was

0:37:26.960,0:37:32.960
you didn’t have professionally produced

0:37:30.160,0:37:36.720
content that was going up there

0:37:32.960,0:37:40.000
nowadays every streaming service netflix

0:37:36.720,0:37:42.400
disney obviously youtube uh

0:37:40.000,0:37:44.400
hulu they’re all producing their own

0:37:42.400,0:37:48.000
television shows

0:37:44.400,0:37:51.920
to the point that you have award shows

0:37:48.000,0:37:55.440
that are controversial because you have

0:37:51.920,0:37:57.119
tv awards for

0:37:55.440,0:37:58.720
streaming services streaming services

0:37:57.119,0:37:59.599
that never appear on tv yeah i think the

0:37:58.720,0:38:00.960
enemies like the

0:37:59.599,0:38:03.280
i think more maybe more than the

0:38:00.960,0:38:04.880
majority was mostly all from streaming

0:38:03.280,0:38:06.800
services yeah

0:38:04.880,0:38:08.160
so there was there was really a

0:38:06.800,0:38:12.000
fundamental shift

0:38:08.160,0:38:15.359
probably 2013 2014

0:38:12.000,0:38:15.359
to more streaming

0:38:15.440,0:38:20.960
so that you know that’s a history it’s

0:38:18.400,0:38:23.200
important to know where we came from

0:38:20.960,0:38:27.359
with our entertainment you know we we

0:38:23.200,0:38:30.720
get up to that 2015 mark there

0:38:27.359,0:38:32.560
and we’re still stuck with 180 channels

0:38:30.720,0:38:34.079
with nothing to watch

0:38:32.560,0:38:36.480
and that’s really where the problem came

0:38:34.079,0:38:40.000
from and the demand for cord cutters

0:38:36.480,0:38:42.480
and the demand for a la carte

0:38:40.000,0:38:43.839
entertainment so we’re going to take a

0:38:42.480,0:38:45.839
quick break we’ll come back

0:38:43.839,0:38:48.079
and then we’ll talk about where we are

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today with cable tv and all these other

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outlets

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see who’s a player who’s not a player

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anymore and then we’ll take a look at

0:38:53.119,0:39:01.839
where we’re going

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[Music]

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we are talking entertainment a la carte

0:40:08.000,0:40:10.640
today

0:40:09.200,0:40:12.480
so we’ve looked at the history of it

0:40:10.640,0:40:14.960
we’ve sort of set the stage here

0:40:12.480,0:40:15.680
let’s take a look at where we are today

0:40:14.960,0:40:19.200
as far

0:40:15.680,0:40:22.319
as cable tv goes

0:40:19.200,0:40:23.440
so we’re still running packages on on tv

0:40:22.319,0:40:25.280
channels today

0:40:23.440,0:40:27.680
so we haven’t really changed much there

0:40:25.280,0:40:27.680
have we

0:40:28.880,0:40:32.000
there is an increasing push to cut the

0:40:30.880,0:40:33.839
cord

0:40:32.000,0:40:35.359
with different services we’ve got enough

0:40:33.839,0:40:37.520
streaming services out there as long as

0:40:35.359,0:40:39.359
you have a good internet connection

0:40:37.520,0:40:41.359
now the one thing to mention here that i

0:40:39.359,0:40:44.880
actually didn’t put in the notes

0:40:41.359,0:40:44.880
that’s the the new

0:40:45.359,0:40:49.839
satellite internet network that

0:40:51.280,0:40:57.280
elon musk is putting out so

0:40:54.400,0:40:59.359
it will be possible very soon to have

0:40:57.280,0:41:02.000
low latency satellite internet

0:40:59.359,0:41:03.920
high-speed internet and not have to deal

0:41:02.000,0:41:06.640
with your cable company

0:41:03.920,0:41:07.920
of course when that happens god help you

0:41:06.640,0:41:09.119
if you’re an astronomer because you’re

0:41:07.920,0:41:10.560
not going to be able to look at anything

0:41:09.119,0:41:13.280
up in the sky now without seeing one of

0:41:10.560,0:41:13.280
these satellites

0:41:14.240,0:41:18.160
net neutrality we mentioned it earlier

0:41:16.800,0:41:19.520
on

0:41:18.160,0:41:22.560
one of the biggest problems with net

0:41:19.520,0:41:25.920
neutrality is that is that the

0:41:22.560,0:41:29.680
fcc determines what is and isn’t

0:41:25.920,0:41:31.920
net neutrality and the fcc is

0:41:29.680,0:41:35.839
traditionally chaired by someone from

0:41:31.920,0:41:35.839
the telecommunications industry

0:41:36.079,0:41:40.720
so it doesn’t look good for consumers

0:41:37.760,0:41:40.720
from that perspective

0:41:41.200,0:41:45.440
what are your thoughts on you know net

0:41:44.240,0:41:48.000
neutrality and

0:41:45.440,0:41:49.920
whether or not it’s an issue moving

0:41:48.000,0:41:51.680
forward is it an issue today is it a

0:41:49.920,0:41:52.240
non-issue should we not even worry about

0:41:51.680,0:41:54.480
it

0:41:52.240,0:41:55.520
i definitely think it’s an issue um and

0:41:54.480,0:41:56.480
i do think

0:41:55.520,0:41:58.480
i mean i don’t i think people

0:41:56.480,0:41:59.440
underestimate how important it is really

0:41:58.480,0:42:00.880
and i know

0:41:59.440,0:42:02.319
every time the you know the bills and

0:42:00.880,0:42:02.960
things go up for net neutrality there’s

0:42:02.319,0:42:04.720
always

0:42:02.960,0:42:06.319
petitions online you know contact your

0:42:04.720,0:42:07.839
congressman things like that but

0:42:06.319,0:42:09.920
i don’t think people take it that

0:42:07.839,0:42:11.920
seriously and i don’t think they really

0:42:09.920,0:42:13.599
understand how a lack of net neutrality

0:42:11.920,0:42:14.160
will really impact them you know and i

0:42:13.599,0:42:15.839
think it’s

0:42:14.160,0:42:17.760
it’s the more subtle ways that i find

0:42:15.839,0:42:19.119
the most dangerous where we talked about

0:42:17.760,0:42:20.480
before how you can manipulate the

0:42:19.119,0:42:23.200
consumer

0:42:20.480,0:42:24.560
to get rid of a product like netflix or

0:42:23.200,0:42:25.920
something like that because you can

0:42:24.560,0:42:27.280
stream it because of your internet right

0:42:25.920,0:42:29.440
but it’s so subtle that you’ll just

0:42:27.280,0:42:31.920
chalk it up to oh my speeds are just low

0:42:29.440,0:42:33.200
right but there’s a company behind the

0:42:31.920,0:42:34.400
scenes that are that’s pulling those

0:42:33.200,0:42:35.760
strings and that

0:42:34.400,0:42:37.520
is manipulating you and you might not

0:42:35.760,0:42:38.560
even realize it so i think that net

0:42:37.520,0:42:40.160
neutrality is

0:42:38.560,0:42:42.000
extremely important for those reasons

0:42:40.160,0:42:43.920
because it it’s just another element

0:42:42.000,0:42:45.599
that can be used to manipulate consumers

0:42:43.920,0:42:46.800
which i get is the whole point of a

0:42:45.599,0:42:48.319
business basically

0:42:46.800,0:42:50.000
is to get people to continue buying your

0:42:48.319,0:42:54.079
product but

0:42:50.000,0:42:56.800
i think when it’s something so

0:42:54.079,0:42:58.640
universal like that where the internet

0:42:56.800,0:43:01.200
should probably be a utility

0:42:58.640,0:43:02.800
that everybody has access to but it’s

0:43:01.200,0:43:04.400
not that yet

0:43:02.800,0:43:06.480
and it’s not looking like it’s going to

0:43:04.400,0:43:08.240
go that way either um

0:43:06.480,0:43:10.079
if the patterns that we’re seeing now

0:43:08.240,0:43:11.839
continue it looks like a lot of people

0:43:10.079,0:43:12.319
are going to have restricted access

0:43:11.839,0:43:14.240
where

0:43:12.319,0:43:16.560
the internet should be a free and open

0:43:14.240,0:43:17.839
resource for everybody yeah and i agree

0:43:16.560,0:43:21.119
and you touched on it earlier when you

0:43:17.839,0:43:23.760
mentioned cable companies and monopolies

0:43:21.119,0:43:26.400
and this is really them

0:43:23.760,0:43:28.160
behind a curve you know not not getting

0:43:26.400,0:43:29.040
with the program here because there’s a

0:43:28.160,0:43:30.960
lot of things

0:43:29.040,0:43:33.200
that technology moves much faster than

0:43:30.960,0:43:36.560
cable companies

0:43:33.200,0:43:40.400
cable company lawyers can move

0:43:36.560,0:43:42.400
you know we’re looking at satellite

0:43:40.400,0:43:43.440
uh communications that have exploded at

0:43:42.400,0:43:46.000
this point

0:43:43.440,0:43:48.240
you’re looking at alternatives like uh

0:43:46.000,0:43:50.000
verizon fios where you can get fiber run

0:43:48.240,0:43:53.280
right to your house

0:43:50.000,0:43:56.240
you’re looking at 5g now where you know

0:43:53.280,0:43:57.839
once the 5g networks are built out

0:43:56.240,0:43:59.680
you won’t need to have a wired

0:43:57.839,0:44:01.200
connection to your house at least if you

0:43:59.680,0:44:02.960
buy into the hype yeah but it’s going to

0:44:01.200,0:44:03.359
make all our heads explode haven’t you

0:44:02.960,0:44:05.280
heard

0:44:03.359,0:44:09.119
and called coronavirus yeah i know it’s

0:44:05.280,0:44:12.079
going to turn us into zombies

0:44:09.119,0:44:13.920
but you can get cable you can get over

0:44:12.079,0:44:15.200
the air speeds for your internet now

0:44:13.920,0:44:16.640
that are comparable to your cable

0:44:15.200,0:44:18.240
connection that are more than enough to

0:44:16.640,0:44:20.560
stream video so

0:44:18.240,0:44:22.160
i think i think if nothing else the

0:44:20.560,0:44:24.560
cable companies have a real problem

0:44:22.160,0:44:27.599
ahead of themselves

0:44:24.560,0:44:28.160
they’ve got too many outlets that people

0:44:27.599,0:44:30.480
have

0:44:28.160,0:44:32.240
alternatives for because cable companies

0:44:30.480,0:44:35.440
thrive

0:44:32.240,0:44:37.040
when you didn’t have options

0:44:35.440,0:44:38.720
and you know a lot of this started in

0:44:37.040,0:44:40.319
the 90s when

0:44:38.720,0:44:42.319
cable companies started gobbling up all

0:44:40.319,0:44:44.240
the regional cable providers

0:44:42.319,0:44:45.599
and you start having giants emerge like

0:44:44.240,0:44:49.280
comcast

0:44:45.599,0:44:50.640
where you have entire regions of the

0:44:49.280,0:44:52.880
country

0:44:50.640,0:44:54.160
that don’t have an alternative to cable

0:44:52.880,0:44:57.520
phone or internet

0:44:54.160,0:44:58.960
but comcast so you don’t have a choice

0:44:57.520,0:45:00.720
but to go with that but it’s not a

0:44:58.960,0:45:02.319
monopoly but that’s right

0:45:00.720,0:45:05.040
that’s not a monopoly because it’s only

0:45:02.319,0:45:08.720
regional but i think the problem is

0:45:05.040,0:45:11.920
they’ve had that level of

0:45:08.720,0:45:14.319
monopolistic protection for so long now

0:45:11.920,0:45:16.240
that they don’t realize that that

0:45:14.319,0:45:18.640
they’re really threatened at this point

0:45:16.240,0:45:21.359
in time

0:45:18.640,0:45:21.680
so i don’t know where cable’s gonna go

0:45:21.359,0:45:24.720
it’s

0:45:21.680,0:45:26.240
it’s an endangered species right now but

0:45:24.720,0:45:27.440
it doesn’t realize it

0:45:26.240,0:45:29.920
yeah i think you’re seeing a little bit

0:45:27.440,0:45:33.520
of that with things like peacock where

0:45:29.920,0:45:34.800
xfinity which is comcast which is nbc

0:45:33.520,0:45:36.480
is trying to get into that streaming

0:45:34.800,0:45:38.079
market but maybe it’s just me but

0:45:36.480,0:45:38.960
peacock seems like it’s really late to

0:45:38.079,0:45:40.480
the game

0:45:38.960,0:45:41.839
and they don’t really seem like they

0:45:40.480,0:45:43.680
have a whole lot to offer other than

0:45:41.839,0:45:45.280
things they already own like reruns of

0:45:43.680,0:45:46.800
like cheers and frasier

0:45:45.280,0:45:48.640
which used to be on netflix but it looks

0:45:46.800,0:45:50.240
like they’re they were just flexing

0:45:48.640,0:45:51.520
that they own the rights to these shows

0:45:50.240,0:45:52.240
so they put it on their strong streaming

0:45:51.520,0:45:54.319
service

0:45:52.240,0:45:55.599
but it doesn’t seem like it’s enough to

0:45:54.319,0:45:57.200
make them a competitor for something

0:45:55.599,0:45:59.440
like netflix or hulu

0:45:57.200,0:46:00.319
because it’s not making what separates

0:45:59.440,0:46:02.640
companies like

0:46:00.319,0:46:04.160
our services like netflix and hulu and

0:46:02.640,0:46:05.839
amazon is that they’re making their own

0:46:04.160,0:46:07.200
shows like we mentioned before

0:46:05.839,0:46:09.359
but with things like peacock if you’re

0:46:07.200,0:46:10.800
just rebroadcasting essentially

0:46:09.359,0:46:12.480
content that everybody’s already seen

0:46:10.800,0:46:13.839
and just wants to watch reruns i don’t

0:46:12.480,0:46:15.280
think that’s going to make you enough of

0:46:13.839,0:46:16.960
a competitor in the market

0:46:15.280,0:46:19.200
and i think that if if that’s their

0:46:16.960,0:46:20.319
attempt to keep their cable company

0:46:19.200,0:46:22.400
status but also

0:46:20.319,0:46:24.079
dip their toe in the streaming water i

0:46:22.400,0:46:27.440
don’t think it’s going to be enough

0:46:24.079,0:46:29.359
and and i think that’s a great segue to

0:46:27.440,0:46:31.599
the streaming services in general so

0:46:29.359,0:46:34.880
what really got me on this topic

0:46:31.599,0:46:37.760
was there was an article on cnet

0:46:34.880,0:46:39.520
uh i i think the the person who did the

0:46:37.760,0:46:39.839
research i wrote it was actually esketha

0:46:39.520,0:46:43.760
who

0:46:39.839,0:46:45.319
who wrote it up and she went through and

0:46:43.760,0:46:48.400
ranked

0:46:45.319,0:46:52.240
101 quote unquote

0:46:48.400,0:46:54.800
major streaming services and

0:46:52.240,0:46:56.319
she ranked them based on price the

0:46:54.800,0:46:57.359
number and quality of original

0:46:56.319,0:46:59.359
programming

0:46:57.359,0:47:00.800
the number and quality of their back

0:46:59.359,0:47:03.599
catalog

0:47:00.800,0:47:07.119
their overall uh variety and what their

0:47:03.599,0:47:12.400
availability was for subscribers

0:47:07.119,0:47:15.440
and it was kind of eye-opening to me

0:47:12.400,0:47:16.880
that there were a hundred and one major

0:47:15.440,0:47:19.359
streaming providers

0:47:16.880,0:47:20.880
out there well i mean major i don’t know

0:47:19.359,0:47:21.599
about that because on this list we have

0:47:20.880,0:47:23.200
what is it

0:47:21.599,0:47:24.640
we have the top ten here this is just

0:47:23.200,0:47:26.079
the top and i haven’t heard of one of

0:47:24.640,0:47:27.680
them so i don’t know how major it is

0:47:26.079,0:47:28.400
i’ve never heard of acorn tv i don’t

0:47:27.680,0:47:30.640
know what that is

0:47:28.400,0:47:31.440
well and that’s like acorn so like if

0:47:30.640,0:47:34.559
you use

0:47:31.440,0:47:37.520
uh plex or cody or any of the media

0:47:34.559,0:47:38.960
streaming service players at home acorn

0:47:37.520,0:47:41.680
tv you would know

0:47:38.960,0:47:42.160
it can egg burn tv is a like a free

0:47:41.680,0:47:45.040
add-on

0:47:42.160,0:47:46.400
you can get for it and think of it like

0:47:45.040,0:47:48.160
the me tv of

0:47:46.400,0:47:49.760
streaming where it’s like some of the

0:47:48.160,0:47:50.480
nostalgic stuff yeah all right that

0:47:49.760,0:47:52.079
makes sense

0:47:50.480,0:47:55.119
but a lot of them are like that i mean

0:47:52.079,0:47:56.880
you had ones on here that were

0:47:55.119,0:47:58.160
they were rated much lower because they

0:47:56.880,0:48:00.000
didn’t have

0:47:58.160,0:48:02.800
they were so specialized so for instance

0:48:00.000,0:48:06.240
nfl networks has a streaming service

0:48:02.800,0:48:06.800
nhl does wwe does all the sports

0:48:06.240,0:48:08.559
basically

0:48:06.800,0:48:10.400
right so they didn’t rate very high

0:48:08.559,0:48:11.440
because they didn’t have a very wide

0:48:10.400,0:48:14.160
variety

0:48:11.440,0:48:16.000
but the fact that there’s a 101 this

0:48:14.160,0:48:18.559
this

0:48:16.000,0:48:20.800
this goes back to the i want it i want

0:48:18.559,0:48:24.160
it now and i want it the way i want it

0:48:20.800,0:48:25.280
so instead of having 180 channels with

0:48:24.160,0:48:28.240
nothing on

0:48:25.280,0:48:30.000
we now have 101 streaming networks that

0:48:28.240,0:48:31.280
we now have to sort through now yeah and

0:48:30.000,0:48:32.480
the argument used to be from core

0:48:31.280,0:48:34.000
cutters it’s like well if you add up all

0:48:32.480,0:48:36.000
the streaming services it’s still less

0:48:34.000,0:48:36.559
than a cable bill but within like three

0:48:36.000,0:48:38.160
years

0:48:36.559,0:48:40.800
that is not a valid argument anymore

0:48:38.160,0:48:42.559
because i mean i personally have amazon

0:48:40.800,0:48:45.839
prime hulu netflix

0:48:42.559,0:48:47.200
disney plus and i guess whatever hbo has

0:48:45.839,0:48:49.200
now but i think that’s included with my

0:48:47.200,0:48:51.839
cable so it’s like that’s

0:48:49.200,0:48:53.760
like five right there well and hbo has

0:48:51.839,0:48:55.760
three different streaming services that

0:48:53.760,0:48:58.800
they offer yeah yeah they have hbo now

0:48:55.760,0:49:00.400
hbo max and then hbo goes that’s

0:48:58.800,0:49:02.240
the new one yeah and i have no idea what

0:49:00.400,0:49:04.800
any of them are right like i have hbo

0:49:02.240,0:49:06.079
max and i barely use it but i have it

0:49:04.800,0:49:08.000
and i know where to access it but i

0:49:06.079,0:49:09.599
don’t know what hbo now and hbo go are

0:49:08.000,0:49:11.680
right and that’s the thing like we’ve

0:49:09.599,0:49:13.680
gotten to the point now

0:49:11.680,0:49:15.280
where we wanted to be able to to

0:49:13.680,0:49:16.640
basically go to the cable company and

0:49:15.280,0:49:18.880
say all right

0:49:16.640,0:49:20.240
i want 50 channels these are the 50

0:49:18.880,0:49:22.319
channels i want give them to me

0:49:20.240,0:49:23.599
and charge me a reasonable rate we never

0:49:22.319,0:49:26.960
got that

0:49:23.599,0:49:28.000
instead what we got was you go to your

0:49:26.960,0:49:31.599
cable company

0:49:28.000,0:49:33.359
here is your boom there’s your package

0:49:31.599,0:49:35.280
oh and if you want all this other stuff

0:49:33.359,0:49:37.200
because you have stuff

0:49:35.280,0:49:38.559
that are exclusive to the streaming

0:49:37.200,0:49:41.680
networks

0:49:38.559,0:49:43.760
so if i want to watch star trek i can’t

0:49:41.680,0:49:46.079
watch star trek on cable anymore

0:49:43.760,0:49:47.760
i have to have a subscription to cbs all

0:49:46.079,0:49:49.440
access to watch anything star trek and

0:49:47.760,0:49:51.359
that’s one of the things that like

0:49:49.440,0:49:52.960
really bothers me about all these

0:49:51.359,0:49:54.400
companies coming out of the woodwork

0:49:52.960,0:49:55.760
and making their own streaming service

0:49:54.400,0:49:57.200
because it just seems like like i

0:49:55.760,0:49:58.559
mentioned before with peacock

0:49:57.200,0:50:00.720
it just seems like they’re flexing their

0:49:58.559,0:50:02.079
muscles and saying oh no these are ours

0:50:00.720,0:50:03.920
right like that happened with the office

0:50:02.079,0:50:05.280
on netflix who was that uh was that

0:50:03.920,0:50:05.760
peacock or is that somebody i can’t even

0:50:05.280,0:50:08.480
keep trying

0:50:05.760,0:50:09.200
i think it was peacock they had it on on

0:50:08.480,0:50:10.559
someone

0:50:09.200,0:50:11.920
yeah and they pulled it i think it was

0:50:10.559,0:50:13.680
on netflix they pulled it off and they

0:50:11.920,0:50:14.240
put it on something and friends was like

0:50:13.680,0:50:15.280
that too

0:50:14.240,0:50:17.280
and again it’s the shows where you’re

0:50:15.280,0:50:17.760
just rebroadcasting green runs but it

0:50:17.280,0:50:19.599
was

0:50:17.760,0:50:20.880
it’s a show that a lot of people like

0:50:19.599,0:50:23.280
and now they have to pay

0:50:20.880,0:50:24.640
another 10 a month to watch it and

0:50:23.280,0:50:26.160
they’re probably not gonna

0:50:24.640,0:50:27.920
and disney did the same thing yeah

0:50:26.160,0:50:29.599
exactly you look at all the marvel tv

0:50:27.920,0:50:30.800
shows that disney had on netflix that

0:50:29.599,0:50:33.839
were

0:50:30.800,0:50:34.880
for the most part good thanks and they

0:50:33.839,0:50:36.160
came them all

0:50:34.880,0:50:37.920
but they didn’t even bring them over to

0:50:36.160,0:50:39.599
their own network yet even though they

0:50:37.920,0:50:40.960
they teased people as if they were going

0:50:39.599,0:50:42.880
to haven’t yeah and i doubt they’re

0:50:40.960,0:50:44.960
going to it’s been too long

0:50:42.880,0:50:46.000
so so i don’t think we’re any better off

0:50:44.960,0:50:49.040
today than we were

0:50:46.000,0:50:50.000
10 years ago it’s just everything that

0:50:49.040,0:50:51.839
you have now

0:50:50.000,0:50:54.319
and it’s there they all price themselves

0:50:51.839,0:50:56.559
at either 5 or 10 bucks a month

0:50:54.319,0:50:58.800
and it’s like okay well if i get the 50

0:50:56.559,0:50:59.839
channels or the 50 streaming services

0:50:58.800,0:51:02.640
that i want

0:50:59.839,0:51:03.440
i’m paying more for my service now that

0:51:02.640,0:51:05.440
i would have through

0:51:03.440,0:51:07.440
cable oh and i still have to pay for my

0:51:05.440,0:51:10.880
internet

0:51:07.440,0:51:13.040
so i’m getting more because i’m getting

0:51:10.880,0:51:16.480
on-demand back catalogs

0:51:13.040,0:51:18.240
i’m getting original content

0:51:16.480,0:51:19.520
the top 10 of these probably all with

0:51:18.240,0:51:20.559
the exception of acorn i don’t know if

0:51:19.520,0:51:23.680
acorn does

0:51:20.559,0:51:25.359
they all do original content so

0:51:23.680,0:51:28.160
i’m probably getting more things to

0:51:25.359,0:51:30.240
watch but the price is going up

0:51:28.160,0:51:31.920
exponentially at this point yeah i mean

0:51:30.240,0:51:32.720
i know in my house i’ve been a strong

0:51:31.920,0:51:34.800
advocate of

0:51:32.720,0:51:36.079
we don’t need cable right but i’m not

0:51:34.800,0:51:38.400
the only one in the house obviously like

0:51:36.079,0:51:41.200
my mom she watches a lot of live tv

0:51:38.400,0:51:42.559
and she records a lot of things live but

0:51:41.200,0:51:44.000
there are also things that i’m pretty

0:51:42.559,0:51:45.920
sure are available on some of these

0:51:44.000,0:51:47.520
services like she watches big brother

0:51:45.920,0:51:48.800
and i’m pretty sure that’s on cbs all

0:51:47.520,0:51:50.480
access because that’s the network at

0:51:48.800,0:51:51.760
arizona i think i’m sorry if there’s big

0:51:50.480,0:51:52.640
brother fans out there and i’m wrong

0:51:51.760,0:51:54.079
about that

0:51:52.640,0:51:56.720
but that’s the thing too because it’s

0:51:54.079,0:51:58.319
like and like my grandma doesn’t

0:51:56.720,0:52:01.040
really understand how streaming stuff

0:51:58.319,0:52:02.160
works but she can get on her roku tv and

0:52:01.040,0:52:04.720
put on abc

0:52:02.160,0:52:06.079
and stream the live tv so she doesn’t

0:52:04.720,0:52:08.240
need a cable box

0:52:06.079,0:52:09.599
and it’s like that’s like a whole other

0:52:08.240,0:52:11.839
layer to it where

0:52:09.599,0:52:13.200
it’s it’s live tv but then you’re

0:52:11.839,0:52:14.880
streaming it through a streaming service

0:52:13.200,0:52:16.720
which you then have to pay for

0:52:14.880,0:52:18.480
but some of these you need a cable

0:52:16.720,0:52:19.680
subscription to access like the live tv

0:52:18.480,0:52:21.920
for the abc you need

0:52:19.680,0:52:23.119
a cable service to log into it so it’s

0:52:21.920,0:52:25.520
like all these layers

0:52:23.119,0:52:26.960
of of media and they’re all kind of

0:52:25.520,0:52:28.319
intertangled

0:52:26.960,0:52:29.920
so that you end up having to keep all of

0:52:28.319,0:52:31.200
it and pay for all of it when i don’t

0:52:29.920,0:52:32.640
really think you need to you know

0:52:31.200,0:52:34.240
you’re absolutely right it’s probably by

0:52:32.640,0:52:35.920
design that way well and

0:52:34.240,0:52:38.319
and the amount of overhead that this

0:52:35.920,0:52:40.000
creates now causes all of the

0:52:38.319,0:52:42.559
bills to go up even higher because the

0:52:40.000,0:52:44.880
cable companies now have to pay for

0:52:42.559,0:52:47.359
the broadcast versions they have to pay

0:52:44.880,0:52:49.280
for the streaming versions

0:52:47.359,0:52:51.359
there are different revenue sources that

0:52:49.280,0:52:54.480
come out of it through advertising now

0:52:51.359,0:52:57.839
obviously but for the end

0:52:54.480,0:52:59.680
consumer you’re not

0:52:57.839,0:53:01.359
better off you’re not you’re not getting

0:52:59.680,0:53:03.119
what you were looking for

0:53:01.359,0:53:04.480
you know we wanted to have everything on

0:53:03.119,0:53:06.400
demand for us

0:53:04.480,0:53:08.000
and and all these networks were like

0:53:06.400,0:53:09.119
well this is what you asked for it’s all

0:53:08.000,0:53:10.400
on demand now

0:53:09.119,0:53:11.920
you know you need to have 50

0:53:10.400,0:53:12.720
subscriptions if you want to get your 50

0:53:11.920,0:53:15.200
channels

0:53:12.720,0:53:16.640
and i think the the appeal is with

0:53:15.200,0:53:18.960
something like cbsl access

0:53:16.640,0:53:20.000
well okay you you don’t you might not

0:53:18.960,0:53:20.800
want to get our streaming service

0:53:20.000,0:53:22.160
because it’s

0:53:20.800,0:53:23.839
you think it’s just rerun so we’re going

0:53:22.160,0:53:24.960
to make something like star trek or

0:53:23.839,0:53:27.520
like the three different versions of

0:53:24.960,0:53:29.359
star trek and okay that’s new content

0:53:27.520,0:53:31.280
you can come here and watch that

0:53:29.359,0:53:32.480
but not everybody might want to do that

0:53:31.280,0:53:34.400
right and if they don’t like

0:53:32.480,0:53:35.920
the new star trek then they’re not going

0:53:34.400,0:53:37.839
to subscribe to that service

0:53:35.920,0:53:39.280
but if they forget which is i think what

0:53:37.839,0:53:41.200
most these companies count on

0:53:39.280,0:53:42.559
forgetting to cancel your subscription

0:53:41.200,0:53:43.760
then they get that ten dollars every

0:53:42.559,0:53:44.800
month even if you’re not using it and

0:53:43.760,0:53:45.680
they don’t care if you’re using it or

0:53:44.800,0:53:47.040
not

0:53:45.680,0:53:49.680
you know it’s funny you mention that

0:53:47.040,0:53:52.559
netflix actually got to the point

0:53:49.680,0:53:53.520
where they had so many hangers on like

0:53:52.559,0:53:57.359
that

0:53:53.520,0:54:00.800
that they introduced a service

0:53:57.359,0:54:02.400
without being asked for it that

0:54:00.800,0:54:04.240
they monitor whether or not you watch

0:54:02.400,0:54:05.920
the service if you use it if you haven’t

0:54:04.240,0:54:08.319
used it in a year

0:54:05.920,0:54:09.520
they’ll notify you and cancel your

0:54:08.319,0:54:10.720
subscription for you

0:54:09.520,0:54:12.480
i mean they’re making so much money it

0:54:10.720,0:54:14.720
probably is negligible but they are it’s

0:54:12.480,0:54:16.000
just to improve their like public image

0:54:14.720,0:54:17.920
that’s a helpful service though because

0:54:16.000,0:54:19.440
i’m i mean i still pay for

0:54:17.920,0:54:20.800
and this is totally different from this

0:54:19.440,0:54:22.480
but like in terms of forgetting

0:54:20.800,0:54:23.599
subscriptions i still pay 99 cents a

0:54:22.480,0:54:25.040
month for cloud storage

0:54:23.599,0:54:26.640
i haven’t had an iphone in like three

0:54:25.040,0:54:28.079
years but every time i go to cancel it

0:54:26.640,0:54:28.880
it’s so many steps to cancel it that i

0:54:28.079,0:54:30.720
just like well

0:54:28.880,0:54:33.599
you can have my 12 bucks a year you know

0:54:30.720,0:54:38.240
and that’s that’s apple for it

0:54:33.599,0:54:41.760
so outside of cable and streaming

0:54:38.240,0:54:41.760
there are other options

0:54:42.160,0:54:45.920
us being one of them us being podcasts

0:54:44.480,0:54:47.359
being one of them

0:54:45.920,0:54:49.599
and there’s a ton of sources for

0:54:47.359,0:54:53.280
podcasts there’s tons of podcasts

0:54:49.599,0:54:55.660
out there that that cater to every

0:54:53.280,0:54:56.880
possible desire for

0:54:55.660,0:55:00.000
[Music]

0:54:56.880,0:55:03.520
media consumption out there

0:55:00.000,0:55:06.720
and there’s apps you know we talk about

0:55:03.520,0:55:08.240
instagram and facebook tick tock well

0:55:06.720,0:55:09.920
we’re not talking about it too much now

0:55:08.240,0:55:12.720
because trump’s trying to ban it

0:55:09.920,0:55:13.920
nah microsoft will buy it microsoft and

0:55:12.720,0:55:15.599
walmart

0:55:13.920,0:55:17.040
yeah just come just corporations just

0:55:15.599,0:55:20.079
vomiting yeah just

0:55:17.040,0:55:21.760
throw money at it uh and then you had

0:55:20.079,0:55:23.599
someone who tried to corner the market

0:55:21.760,0:55:26.640
with

0:55:23.599,0:55:28.559
i’m not even sure what seven minute

0:55:26.640,0:55:29.839
segments i think it’s like 15 minutes 15

0:55:28.559,0:55:30.559
minutes segments but it’s all shot

0:55:29.839,0:55:33.839
vertically

0:55:30.559,0:55:37.520
which is awful um quibby

0:55:33.839,0:55:39.520
um who received a ludicrous

0:55:37.520,0:55:41.280
amount of funding like two billion

0:55:39.520,0:55:42.079
dollars in funding a lot of big names

0:55:41.280,0:55:43.599
attached to it

0:55:42.079,0:55:45.280
and and again they had a lot of

0:55:43.599,0:55:49.440
celebrities

0:55:45.280,0:55:52.720
and they had a huge number of people

0:55:49.440,0:55:52.720
sign up for the free trial

0:55:52.960,0:55:56.480
several million like 15 million or

0:55:54.400,0:55:57.839
something sign up for the free trial

0:55:56.480,0:56:00.319
and then when that free trial ran out

0:55:57.839,0:56:01.680
they had about 70 000 people stick on

0:56:00.319,0:56:04.000
i mean quivi strikes me as the kind of

0:56:01.680,0:56:05.760
thing that like it makes it to the

0:56:04.000,0:56:07.119
the boardroom or whatever they’re like

0:56:05.760,0:56:07.599
oh this is a great idea because people

0:56:07.119,0:56:09.440
love

0:56:07.599,0:56:10.640
like we looked at the numbers right we

0:56:09.440,0:56:11.359
looked at the numbers and we saw that

0:56:10.640,0:56:12.720
people

0:56:11.359,0:56:13.920
are only watching in 15 minute

0:56:12.720,0:56:14.640
increments because they’re watching on

0:56:13.920,0:56:16.240
their way to work

0:56:14.640,0:56:17.359
on the train or something right or

0:56:16.240,0:56:18.799
they’re watching with their family and

0:56:17.359,0:56:19.920
their and their kid runs away so they

0:56:18.799,0:56:22.480
got to turn it off

0:56:19.920,0:56:23.680
so what if we just hyper focus on that

0:56:22.480,0:56:24.960
but then you realize

0:56:23.680,0:56:27.280
because you’re so caught up in the

0:56:24.960,0:56:29.040
analysis and the numbers that that’s not

0:56:27.280,0:56:30.480
really going to work as a format because

0:56:29.040,0:56:31.599
you end up having episodes that are

0:56:30.480,0:56:33.040
really just trailers

0:56:31.599,0:56:35.040
right because they’re only 15 minutes

0:56:33.040,0:56:36.799
long and when you shoot everything

0:56:35.040,0:56:38.400
vertically

0:56:36.799,0:56:41.359
not only are you limiting the art form

0:56:38.400,0:56:42.799
of like making movies and television

0:56:41.359,0:56:44.480
most people aren’t going to watch things

0:56:42.799,0:56:45.599
vertically like even if you’re watching

0:56:44.480,0:56:47.280
on your way to work on the train you’re

0:56:45.599,0:56:48.160
still going to take the one second to

0:56:47.280,0:56:50.799
turn your phone

0:56:48.160,0:56:51.680
right like quickly blows my mind well

0:56:50.799,0:56:54.319
it’s still a thing

0:56:51.680,0:56:56.319
and you couldn’t share it with anyone oh

0:56:54.319,0:56:57.040
really i never couldn’t share clips you

0:56:56.319,0:56:58.640
couldn’t share

0:56:57.040,0:57:00.960
links you couldn’t share anything that’s

0:56:58.640,0:57:01.359
good that’s great when like the number

0:57:00.960,0:57:03.680
one

0:57:01.359,0:57:05.680
thing to social media sites like youtube

0:57:03.680,0:57:06.720
tick tock facebook is the ability to

0:57:05.680,0:57:09.760
share

0:57:06.720,0:57:11.440
all the like netflix social media

0:57:09.760,0:57:13.200
yeah i mean netflix especially has a

0:57:11.440,0:57:15.760
huge social media presence yeah

0:57:13.200,0:57:16.400
so and that’s so critical and it’s like

0:57:15.760,0:57:18.319
so

0:57:16.400,0:57:20.400
and but i think i guess my point is

0:57:18.319,0:57:22.720
these options that we have here between

0:57:20.400,0:57:26.319
podcasts and the apps i think probably

0:57:22.720,0:57:28.000
fill the gap of entertainment a la carte

0:57:26.319,0:57:30.400
more than anything else right now where

0:57:28.000,0:57:32.720
we can go and find what we want i can

0:57:30.400,0:57:34.319
i can download 50 different podcasts a

0:57:32.720,0:57:34.880
week and pick and choose which ones that

0:57:34.319,0:57:38.640
i want to

0:57:34.880,0:57:40.160
consume so i think that’s probably more

0:57:38.640,0:57:41.839
meeting the needs of the consumer than

0:57:40.160,0:57:42.880
anything yeah and i mentioned before

0:57:41.839,0:57:44.000
that i watched a lot of youtube and

0:57:42.880,0:57:45.520
youtube’s just like that too

0:57:44.000,0:57:46.640
you can follow different channels that

0:57:45.520,0:57:48.079
do different things just like you’d

0:57:46.640,0:57:50.079
subscribe to different podcasts

0:57:48.079,0:57:51.520
like i follow a couple cooking channels

0:57:50.079,0:57:52.240
i follow a couple comic book based

0:57:51.520,0:57:53.839
channels

0:57:52.240,0:57:55.359
um you know history channels so there’s

0:57:53.839,0:57:57.680
something for everybody

0:57:55.359,0:57:58.960
within each of these sections yep just

0:57:57.680,0:58:00.480
like you can listen like you said the

0:57:58.960,0:58:02.240
different podcast so i think

0:58:00.480,0:58:03.520
if you want that a la carte it’s those

0:58:02.240,0:58:04.400
places you’re probably going to turn to

0:58:03.520,0:58:06.480
because you can

0:58:04.400,0:58:08.000
because it’s made by people and it’s not

0:58:06.480,0:58:09.680
as heavily regulated i mean youtube’s

0:58:08.000,0:58:10.960
pretty regulated but

0:58:09.680,0:58:12.880
it’s something like a podcast anybody

0:58:10.960,0:58:14.160
can do a podcast right so you can

0:58:12.880,0:58:16.000
there’s always something wow for

0:58:14.160,0:58:18.240
something like literally anybody i mean

0:58:16.000,0:58:21.040
anybody can do it you just talk

0:58:18.240,0:58:22.480
no but wow and make sure to subscribe to

0:58:21.040,0:58:23.839
our podcast on your local podcast

0:58:22.480,0:58:26.079
good thing you’re not in our advertising

0:58:23.839,0:58:27.359
department hey we just free plug

0:58:26.079,0:58:29.520
shameless advertising

0:58:27.359,0:58:30.880
um but yeah yeah i think that’s where

0:58:29.520,0:58:31.680
you get a lot of that a la carte right

0:58:30.880,0:58:32.960
because it’s

0:58:31.680,0:58:34.319
great you can find any kind of channel

0:58:32.960,0:58:34.720
or any kind of podcast to meet your

0:58:34.319,0:58:37.280
needs

0:58:34.720,0:58:38.640
i agree 100 let’s take a quick break

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entertainment a la carte the future

0:59:55.599,1:00:00.960
how bad does it look so let me ask you a

0:59:59.200,1:00:03.920
series of questions

1:00:00.960,1:00:05.119
is there a future for cable television i

1:00:03.920,1:00:06.720
don’t know how long of a future it is

1:00:05.119,1:00:08.799
but i definitely think there is some

1:00:06.720,1:00:10.079
and you know i think it’s probably just

1:00:08.799,1:00:12.000
going to evolve

1:00:10.079,1:00:14.160
and you might not have a cable box but i

1:00:12.000,1:00:16.000
think especially comcast is definitely

1:00:14.160,1:00:16.880
trying to remain a presence in people’s

1:00:16.000,1:00:18.799
homes

1:00:16.880,1:00:20.640
um because they you know whether

1:00:18.799,1:00:23.440
rebranding to a different name

1:00:20.640,1:00:25.040
or offering more services based on tying

1:00:23.440,1:00:26.000
internet and cable together

1:00:25.040,1:00:29.599
i think that’s where they’re going to

1:00:26.000,1:00:31.760
most likely head is is becoming

1:00:29.599,1:00:32.640
both a cable company and an internet

1:00:31.760,1:00:34.640
company and

1:00:32.640,1:00:36.160
kind of doubling down on that all right

1:00:34.640,1:00:37.760
i’ll buy that

1:00:36.160,1:00:40.720
how about traditional network

1:00:37.760,1:00:43.119
broadcasting and schedules

1:00:40.720,1:00:44.079
um probably that’ll probably stick

1:00:43.119,1:00:47.040
around on cable

1:00:44.079,1:00:48.799
um and i know you have you kind of have

1:00:47.040,1:00:50.240
broadcasting

1:00:48.799,1:00:51.839
sort of in the traditional sense and

1:00:50.240,1:00:52.640
schedules on things like twitch and

1:00:51.839,1:00:54.880
youtube where

1:00:52.640,1:00:56.960
people will stream on a broadcast

1:00:54.880,1:00:57.920
schedule um so i think it might evolve

1:00:56.960,1:00:59.520
into that where

1:00:57.920,1:01:00.880
if you’re looking at these new platforms

1:00:59.520,1:01:01.520
people will stick to a broadcast

1:01:00.880,1:01:03.359
schedule

1:01:01.520,1:01:04.559
but instead of it being on three six and

1:01:03.359,1:01:07.599
ten it’ll be on

1:01:04.559,1:01:09.440
twitch.tv you know whatever okay

1:01:07.599,1:01:11.119
how about commercial advertising and

1:01:09.440,1:01:13.680
television are we still going to see

1:01:11.119,1:01:15.200
million dollar minutes for super bowl

1:01:13.680,1:01:15.839
ads oh absolutely that’s the only reason

1:01:15.200,1:01:17.520
a lot of these

1:01:15.839,1:01:19.280
incidents like that’s radio’s most

1:01:17.520,1:01:21.359
valuable thing too is advertising

1:01:19.280,1:01:22.799
right and it’s where the money goes so i

1:01:21.359,1:01:24.319
definitely think that we’ll definitely

1:01:22.799,1:01:26.640
still see that because

1:01:24.319,1:01:28.160
there’s still people watching even if a

1:01:26.640,1:01:29.599
lot of it if we’re focusing a lot on

1:01:28.160,1:01:31.680
streaming they can still make a ton of

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money from commercial advertising

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and the last question and is there a

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future is subscription television

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channels like

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hbo um i’d probably have to look at the

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numbers for things like this to see if

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their subscriptions are going down

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but i think with hbo as an example

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they’re migrating over to streaming

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so that’s probably where it’s going to

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go to i mean we had earlier showtime was

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on that list too so i think most of

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these channels and i know wwe has one

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too

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um so a lot of these channels are

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probably just going to go like they’ll

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probably keep their broadcast channel

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but then also just

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you know improve their streaming side of

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things okay

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so i wanted to ask some questions about

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streaming entertainment going forward

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so tick tock was was popular very

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popular

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um so popular in fact that uh they

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managed to

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take off president trump what do you

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think about

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the precedent of trump banning tick-tock

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for

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reasons that were given that had no

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corresponding

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supporting evidence that seems pretty

1:02:32.720,1:02:35.119
par for the course if we’re talking

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about trump but

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i mean i never use tick tock personally

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just because i don’t like care about

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that kind of entertainment

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but it is extremely popular and if i had

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to wager he probably did it

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you know to try to make like because

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he’s very anti-china most of the time

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right

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sure so he says he tried to ban not just

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tick tock there were a couple other

1:02:51.039,1:02:53.520
things too

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all owned by chinese companies that he

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was trying to go after

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but when there was such a backlash to it

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it just came off like another

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smoke bomb right another distraction

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that he was going for especially with

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tick tock because

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he knows that he’s that’s mostly used by

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youth right so that’s going to be the

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most vocal about it

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and if you’re calling out a streaming or

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a social media platform

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that social media platform is going to

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get way more traffic because the users

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over there they’re gonna

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complain about you so it just seemed

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like another distraction

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on his part i think it was like almost

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immediately i mean he’s still waving

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threats and stuff but it looks like

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like we said earlier microsoft and

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walmart which i didn’t know about

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were um are moving in to buy it so i

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doubt it’s going anywhere he probably

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just wanted to you know make a business

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deal or something

1:03:33.359,1:03:37.520
how about net neutrality do you think we

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have any hope of achieving net

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neutrality

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not with the current i wouldn’t i would

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say not with the current administration

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it doesn’t seem like their track record

1:03:43.920,1:03:48.960
does not show them leaning towards

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any kind of net neutrality um it’s

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probably going to take us a while

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and it’s probably going to get worse

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before it gets better

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and it would depend on the company’s

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actions as well okay

1:03:57.200,1:04:01.520
5g technology it’s everywhere everyone’s

1:04:00.000,1:04:04.400
talking about it do you think

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5g is going to be the end-all be-all to

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give us the entertainment solution

1:04:06.079,1:04:09.440
on our phones or in our homes that we’re

1:04:08.079,1:04:10.799
looking for i don’t think it’ll be the

1:04:09.440,1:04:11.440
end all deal but i think it’s probably

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the next step

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i mean we see that with all the time

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technology always progresses and it just

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seems like 5g is the next step in that

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um obviously there’s the conspiracies

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which i made a joke about earlier

1:04:21.680,1:04:24.960
but i think it’s just people i mean when

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people in like cars became more

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mainstream they said there was going to

1:04:26.079,1:04:29.920
be the end of the american family

1:04:27.599,1:04:31.760
right so i think people are just always

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hesitant to new technologies regardless

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of what they are but i think it’s just

1:04:32.880,1:04:35.760
another

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it’s just a next step for getting you

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know more entertainment and better

1:04:36.720,1:04:40.559
technology

1:04:37.839,1:04:42.160
first run movies we have a lot of our

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streaming services

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are running movies online now because of

1:04:44.799,1:04:47.599
kovid and the fear of going to movie

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theaters

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do you think we’ll be going back to the

1:04:49.200,1:04:52.640
movie theaters like we were before or is

1:04:50.960,1:04:54.640
a new model of streaming it at home

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going to be the way to go yeah this is

1:04:54.640,1:04:58.559
this is tough my personal tinfoil hat

1:04:57.839,1:05:00.240
theory

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is that i think disney’s gonna open

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their own theaters and i think that

1:05:01.839,1:05:05.760
would be

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um what is the word it would violate

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some kind of law

1:05:06.480,1:05:09.359
like the paramount decision or something

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like that but i think that was recently

1:05:09.359,1:05:12.240
repealed so they can do it

1:05:10.799,1:05:13.839
where they handle exhibition

1:05:12.240,1:05:15.200
distribution and production which is

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what they would be doing which is a

1:05:15.200,1:05:17.920
monopoly which is supposed to be legal

1:05:16.720,1:05:18.559
but it’s disney so they can probably get

1:05:17.920,1:05:19.760
away with it

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so that’s my personal theory is that

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they’re probably gonna start buying up

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theaters but if not i mean

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a lot of them have already filed or are

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going to file for bankruptcy most likely

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and i don’t

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i don’t know how much people are going

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to want to go back

1:05:32.160,1:05:35.200
because there’s theaters open now but i

1:05:34.319,1:05:37.520
don’t think like

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big movies like tennant are still making

1:05:37.520,1:05:40.400
money but not nearly as much as they

1:05:39.359,1:05:42.480
should be making

1:05:40.400,1:05:44.160
given their production plus what a

1:05:42.480,1:05:46.799
normal christopher nolan movie would

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take um i think it’s difficult you know

1:05:46.799,1:05:49.839
and i think

1:05:47.359,1:05:51.039
there’s also a lot of hesitant to put a

1:05:49.839,1:05:52.400
lot of these movies on streaming

1:05:51.039,1:05:53.440
services even though they make a bunch

1:05:52.400,1:05:55.119
of money

1:05:53.440,1:05:56.799
um and maybe not as much as you’d make

1:05:55.119,1:05:57.440
with a traditional theatrical run but

1:05:56.799,1:05:59.520
you’d make

1:05:57.440,1:06:00.640
a significant amount of money back you

1:05:59.520,1:06:01.200
know you wouldn’t just have to cut your

1:06:00.640,1:06:04.000
losses

1:06:01.200,1:06:05.520
yeah no i agree with you there the last

1:06:04.000,1:06:07.119
question i’m asking it’s not in the

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notes but last question i wanted to ask

1:06:07.119,1:06:11.280
was where do you

1:06:08.000,1:06:13.200
think do you think we’ll ever reach that

1:06:11.280,1:06:15.680
entertainment a la carte level where we

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get to pick and choose what we want and

1:06:15.680,1:06:18.720
it would be affordable i’d say probably

1:06:18.400,1:06:20.079
not

1:06:18.720,1:06:22.079
because the whole reason it’s not a la

1:06:20.079,1:06:22.640
carte is so that companies can make more

1:06:22.079,1:06:24.480
money

1:06:22.640,1:06:26.079
because you’re roped into buying things

1:06:24.480,1:06:27.200
you don’t really need which is

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i mean that’s the whole point of

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business too i said that earlier but

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i’ll say it again

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they’re not going to make it that simple

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for the consumer it’s not

1:06:33.280,1:06:36.640
designed to be pro consumer they’ll give

1:06:35.440,1:06:38.720
you what you think you

1:06:36.640,1:06:40.559
want because you’ll get you know this

1:06:38.720,1:06:41.280
thing but this thing will also come with

1:06:40.559,1:06:42.559
all those

1:06:41.280,1:06:44.480
other things that you’re going to have

1:06:42.559,1:06:45.280
to pay for and i don’t see that ever

1:06:44.480,1:06:46.799
going away it’s

1:06:45.280,1:06:49.280
if anything it’ll probably just increase

1:06:46.799,1:06:51.280
yeah i and i sadly i think you’re right

1:06:49.280,1:06:54.079
i think the packaging aspect of things

1:06:51.280,1:06:56.079
is too cost effective for these

1:06:54.079,1:06:56.559
distribution companies to move away from

1:06:56.079,1:06:59.599
that

1:06:56.559,1:07:00.000
yeah i mean that method of packaging

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goes back

1:07:00.000,1:07:04.559
to the beginning of modern entertainment

1:07:02.559,1:07:05.200
right of radio i mean you’d have formats

1:07:04.559,1:07:06.720
which are

1:07:05.200,1:07:08.799
essentially packages because you’d

1:07:06.720,1:07:10.000
listen to you know you might like sports

1:07:08.799,1:07:11.680
but you don’t want to listen to sports

1:07:10.000,1:07:13.520
all the time but that’s the format

1:07:11.680,1:07:15.680
and tv again we talked about before but

1:07:13.520,1:07:18.079
with channels so i think packaging is

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has always been the way and the reason

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it’s been the way is because it works

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and it gets people’s money

1:07:20.720,1:07:25.520
and it it furthers the industry in some

1:07:23.680,1:07:27.520
kind of way

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all right well i think that was all the

1:07:27.520,1:07:30.640
questions that i have we’ll come back

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we’ll get your closing remarks and

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thoughts

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and uh end the show

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[Music]

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so wasn’t too doom and gloom today

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but what are your final thoughts on the

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entertainment industry

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where we’re going where we’re at and is

1:07:49.920,1:07:53.920
there hope for us

1:07:52.400,1:07:56.240
yeah yeah i think there’s hope for us i

1:07:53.920,1:07:57.760
mean at least in this aspect of things

1:07:56.240,1:07:58.799
um even if the world’s burning outside

1:07:57.760,1:08:00.079
you can close your curtains and watch

1:07:58.799,1:08:02.400
something on netflix right

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um i think it’s just like anything i

1:08:02.400,1:08:05.440
mean i’m more focused

1:08:04.400,1:08:07.119
in the radio industry because that’s

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what i’d like to go into one day and i

1:08:07.119,1:08:09.680
think with any industry it’s just going

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to evolve and it’s going to change i

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don’t think they’re going to go anywhere

1:08:11.359,1:08:14.079
at least not for the time being i mean

1:08:12.799,1:08:15.119
cable might be a different story but

1:08:14.079,1:08:16.960
like i said it’s probably just going to

1:08:15.119,1:08:19.679
evolve into something

1:08:16.960,1:08:20.960
cable internet internet you know and um

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i think that’s the name of the game

1:08:20.960,1:08:27.120
is changing and evolving and and not

1:08:24.080,1:08:28.480
being resistant or hesitant to a lot of

1:08:27.120,1:08:30.480
these new ideas

1:08:28.480,1:08:32.319
um we’re like you wouldn’t want to

1:08:30.480,1:08:33.679
release a new movie on streaming

1:08:32.319,1:08:35.359
because the theaters are closed and you

1:08:33.679,1:08:37.600
insist on putting it in theaters

1:08:35.359,1:08:38.640
regardless of the situation i think

1:08:37.600,1:08:40.960
that’s

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there’s that friction there of resisting

1:08:40.960,1:08:43.440
change which i can understand

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from someone like chris nolan’s

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perspective where he wants his moving

1:08:45.199,1:08:47.920
theories because that’s what he made it

1:08:46.480,1:08:48.640
for it was designed to be watched that

1:08:47.920,1:08:50.319
way

1:08:48.640,1:08:52.640
but i think the tides are just changing

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too fast and if you want to

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make any sort of if you want your art

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out there

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and if you want the profit from that art

1:08:57.440,1:09:00.480
i think you’re going to have to

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you know just go with the flow of things

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honestly and you know i think that’s

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very well said and i agree with you 100

1:09:04.640,1:09:08.080
i think we’re going to continue to

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evolve technology is going to push that

1:09:08.080,1:09:12.480
evolution

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and the people that are

1:09:12.480,1:09:16.640
adaptable enough to pick up on those

1:09:15.520,1:09:18.159
things are the ones that are going to

1:09:16.640,1:09:21.600
thrive in the future

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so very well said that was all we had

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today i do want to reiterate

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