Insights Into Teens: Episode 80 “Braces Revisited”

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We flash back to our first podcast about braces and take a look at how far Madison has come in her journey. We’ll recap what she’s already gone through in phase one of her braces. We’ll discuss what has happened in phase two since the original podcast in the series. Then we’ll take a look at what is yet to come now that’s in phase three and the home stretch.

Madison conveys her struggle with some of the challenges of getting braces. She’ll talk about the discomfort she’s felt at the various points in the process and how she’s dealt with it. We will some up with some advice that Madison can share to others who are going through the process or may be getting ready to go through the process.

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Show Notes

[INTRO]

[TRANSITION]

  • A review of last time (5-10 minutes)
    • I got my top braces on along with my appliance and lip bumper.
    • My teeth had to get taken out for my lip bumper.
    • Going through the trauma of my soft food diet.
    • How I would clean my teeth.
    • When I wore bands.
    • Talking.

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  • What has changed (5-10 minutes)
    • I no longer have my lip bumper or my appliance
    • I have braces on the bottom of my teeth now.
    • When I got major adjustments to my mouth.
    • How I handle my new soft food diets.
    • How I would clean my teeth

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  • What will happen in the future.
    • I will start wearing bands again.
    • Monthly checkups.
    • Anything else we know.

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[OUTRO]

Transcription

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insightful podcasts

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by informative hosts

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insights into things a podcast network

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welcome to insights into teens a podcast

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series exploring the issues and

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challenges of today’s youth

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your hosts are joseph and madison whalen

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a father and daughter team

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making their way through the challenges

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of the teenage years

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[Applause]

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welcome to insights into teens this is

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episode

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80 braces revisited

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i’m your host joseph whalen and my

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awake and energetic co-host madison

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whalen

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hi everyone how you doing today maddie

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i’m doing

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pretty good so uh kind of a

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another reversal of rolls here um you

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know you had been hosting the last

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couple

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and uh this was one of the ones that um

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we had done very early on in fact it was

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the very first podcast that we did

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yep and this was

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episode zero kind of our pilot podcast

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he did and it was one of the first

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i think eight episodes we did that were

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audio only we didn’t have video going at

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the time

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nope uh and that’s because we didn’t

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have the studio set up at the time

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um so a lot’s changed from the braces

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standpoint for you

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correct yep um so

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we thought it’d be worthwhile to go back

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at

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a lot of our old podcast and see

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what’s changed what’s updated can we

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refresh the podcast

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is there news um is there value in going

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back and

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and discussing some of these old topics

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again

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and this was the first topic we came up

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with because you just had some

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dental work done yep so

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this is going to be the first in a

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series of revisited podcasts that we’re

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going to be doing

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uh just to sort of catch up on some of

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the important topics that we’ve talked

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about in the past yep

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so today we are going to be talking

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about

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um a quick review of the last

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i don’t know 12 months or so since

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well more than 12 months now since the

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first uh braces podcast

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um how things have been with that then

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we’re going to talk about

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what’s changed what other work has

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gotten have you had done

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what effect has it had on you

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how has it affected your quality of life

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and so forth

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and then we’ll sum up by talking about

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what’s

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yet to happen because apparently getting

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braces is a multi-faceted

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multi-phased uh

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project i guess uh and for you it’s been

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kind of an evolution of moving from one

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stage to another

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so we talked almost two years ago now

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about braces you’ve had them for quite

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some time now

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um when you did get them

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what did you get done the first time

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around well it was kind of hard figuring

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out or remembering

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like when we first did the podcast

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because

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um i had work done before we had started

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doing the podcast so i decided to go

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back

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and listened to our very first podcast

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and i kind of know what was going on

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so what i g what i’m getting from

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is that i had my top braces on and i was

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wearing my lip bumper in the beginning

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um

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and the lip bumper was sort of

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just a way on how i could have bands on

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my mouth

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um so that um it would hopefully

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um pull my teeth down put my back teeth

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down

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farther well and the bands themselves

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were because

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your um your mouth hadn’t hadn’t grown

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to proportion yet

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so the bands were really designed to put

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pressure on your

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your lower palate so that your lower

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palate would grow

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at a consistent rate um so

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at the time you were hooking bands from

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the bumper on your lower

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um your lower jaw yeah

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to um break to brackets on your upper

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teeth

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yep and that pulled your jaw forward

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some

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yeah and we learned that it actually

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worked a little too well because the lip

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bumper ended up getting pulled

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upwards having me to

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need an adjustment and um

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needed to go in um

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needing to have it adjusted again

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and honestly back then i had a lot of

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trouble with my lip bumper because

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um the next month it had actually gotten

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caught on my bottom lip and it caused me

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a lot of pain so we actually had to go

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in for an emergency thing

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and they completely removed it for that

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for the next month

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yeah so that lip bumper was kind of

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unique

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to your situation because of the the

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different rate at which your mouth was

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growing

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but it did cause some problem because

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you would get food caught in there

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uh like you had mentioned you would the

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the inside of your lip had gotten caught

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in there

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and that essentially pinched your your

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lip between the bumper and your

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your gums or your front teeth there

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right yeah and in order to remove it

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they had to numb that part of my mouth

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because it

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just caused me so much pain um i think

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that was one of the only

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real emergency operations that we had to

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go in

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for at the time um but after the month i

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did get um

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it back in but then i started wearing

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the bands again

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um instead of instead of doing it all

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the time

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and only switching it out um once a day

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um i just worm at night so the bands

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themselves

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was that was that something you needed

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help to put in

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did you get used to putting them in were

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they difficult to put in

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well at first it was very painful to put

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in

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and we actually had to use or gel a lot

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because my mouth would just constantly

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be in pain

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it was not a fun time and at the start

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you guys had to put them in my mouth but

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as but we also had this one tool that

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was a hook that i’d use in order to put

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um in order for you guys in the

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beginning to put

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to put to have the rubber bands on my

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top hooks and then hook it down towards

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my um

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the bumper um but after a while i

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learned how to use it and then i started

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even using my finger

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after i got completely used to it and

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that tool itself

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was a little plastic tool that was

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specifically designed to do that right

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yep and and yeah

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right off the bat you were having

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difficulty so mommy and daddy had to

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help you

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but over time you were able to not only

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learn how to do it but learn how to do

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it without the tool

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so it became less and less of an issue

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as you learn how to do it

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but did your bumper ever get loose again

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after they put it back

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on um

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uh well not really

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they i’d always go in for the

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adjustments but

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they never really had any more problems

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after they took it out for the month and

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then put it back in

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and i started just putting the bands on

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at night i

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didn’t have any more problems with the

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lip bumper at that point

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so initially you were wearing these

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bands

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constantly right yeah all the time yeah

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and definitely the first day after i got

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all the work done

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it was extremely hard to eat like we

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want to go get sushi and i just couldn’t

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eat

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anything so let’s let’s talk about that

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so when we

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when you first had this work done the

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doctor put you on a soft food diet how

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did that work out for you

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um well that was

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uh well the i actually

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so the first sulfur died i went on

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lasted for

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about a month maybe two months since my

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mouth still needed to get adjusted to

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everything in my mouth because

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not only did i have the top braces and

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the lip bumper and the bands

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but i had also had an appliance that was

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in the top mouth that i

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that um also was assisting my top draw

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so i had a lot of stuff in my mouth so

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the soft food diet

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so let’s talk about that upper appliance

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there what was that for was that a

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pallet expander or was that something

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else

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i’m thinking it was more of a pallet

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pallet expander

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i was always just told to call an um an

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appliance

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but i knew it um but it was also kind of

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used to push

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my top teeth forward because i had an

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underbite where my top teeth would

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um would just touch my bottom teeth and

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they’re supposed to go slightly over it

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so i sort of had somewhat of an

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underbite

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so they had to use that

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to push my top teeth forward

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so how long were you on the soft food

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diet

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about um two months i think

0:11:34.480,0:11:41.040
i i know it was at least a month i’m

0:11:38.079,0:11:41.760
saying at least two like around two

0:11:41.040,0:11:44.079
months

0:11:41.760,0:11:45.279
i was on the soft food diet and what did

0:11:44.079,0:11:48.079
that typically

0:11:45.279,0:11:48.959
involve um it would typically involve

0:11:48.079,0:11:51.839
like

0:11:48.959,0:11:52.959
for lunch i’d have uncrustables with

0:11:51.839,0:11:56.880
some

0:11:52.959,0:11:59.680
yogurt or pudding or jello

0:11:56.880,0:12:01.360
um and there was also this one um

0:11:59.680,0:12:04.000
cheesecake mix

0:12:01.360,0:12:04.880
that had like a cheesecake flavor with

0:12:04.000,0:12:07.920
fruit

0:12:04.880,0:12:08.959
that mommy also got me um she had a lot

0:12:07.920,0:12:11.279
of stuff for me

0:12:08.959,0:12:12.800
i also for dinner would have like mac

0:12:11.279,0:12:16.320
and cheese

0:12:12.800,0:12:16.320
um and

0:12:16.639,0:12:21.519
i um i can’t exactly remember what i’d

0:12:20.240,0:12:23.839
have for breakfast

0:12:21.519,0:12:25.839
but pretty much everything had to be

0:12:23.839,0:12:27.120
soft until i realized i was actually

0:12:25.839,0:12:29.760
able to bite

0:12:27.120,0:12:32.000
so there was a lot of different soft

0:12:29.760,0:12:35.680
foods that you wound up eating there

0:12:32.000,0:12:38.000
and it was obviously a difficult time it

0:12:35.680,0:12:40.079
was a painful time

0:12:38.000,0:12:41.040
and to a certain extent a traumatic time

0:12:40.079,0:12:43.360
for you

0:12:41.040,0:12:44.240
were there any lasting effects of the

0:12:43.360,0:12:47.360
things that you

0:12:44.240,0:12:49.040
ate after that that you just don’t find

0:12:47.360,0:12:52.720
palatable now or anything

0:12:49.040,0:12:56.079
oh my yes one thing

0:12:52.720,0:12:57.040
pudding i realized that going through

0:12:56.079,0:12:58.880
the diet

0:12:57.040,0:13:00.480
like in the beginning i never really

0:12:58.880,0:13:02.560
liked pudding that much

0:13:00.480,0:13:04.800
but going to the software diet made me

0:13:02.560,0:13:07.200
realize just how much i hate it

0:13:04.800,0:13:08.800
and one time when i was at camp um i

0:13:07.200,0:13:11.440
think last year

0:13:08.800,0:13:12.320
um one of the snacks that they gave you

0:13:11.440,0:13:14.480
was pudding

0:13:12.320,0:13:15.920
and i wasn’t gonna eat it but just

0:13:14.480,0:13:18.959
watching people eat it

0:13:15.920,0:13:22.160
made me feel nauseous like that

0:13:18.959,0:13:25.040
i definitely felt like that was trauma

0:13:22.160,0:13:26.880
from my soft food diet so there’s foods

0:13:25.040,0:13:28.639
now that you just won’t eat because of

0:13:26.880,0:13:31.760
having gone through that experience

0:13:28.639,0:13:34.959
yeah uncrustables was another thing like

0:13:31.760,0:13:38.000
um in the i mean i like pb j sandwiches

0:13:34.959,0:13:41.279
i don’t mind them but the uncrustables

0:13:38.000,0:13:44.480
i ate them very often and

0:13:41.279,0:13:47.760
having eaten them for over

0:13:44.480,0:13:48.560
for over a month and not getting a break

0:13:47.760,0:13:51.600
because

0:13:48.560,0:13:53.440
before i would have like an uncrustable

0:13:51.600,0:13:54.639
every other day and then a lunchable the

0:13:53.440,0:13:55.600
other days that i didn’t have an

0:13:54.639,0:13:57.120
uncrustable

0:13:55.600,0:13:59.199
but at that point i was just having an

0:13:57.120,0:14:02.320
uncrustable every single day

0:13:59.199,0:14:04.560
and at that point it just made me not

0:14:02.320,0:14:07.040
want to eat them anymore

0:14:04.560,0:14:09.120
we stopped getting them because honestly

0:14:07.040,0:14:12.320
the thought of them just doesn’t

0:14:09.120,0:14:14.320
for me just makes me feel nauseous

0:14:12.320,0:14:15.760
so what about cleaning your teeth when

0:14:14.320,0:14:18.000
you uh

0:14:15.760,0:14:20.160
first got the braces on we’ll call that

0:14:18.000,0:14:21.040
phase one up until we got the bumper off

0:14:20.160,0:14:24.560
and everything else

0:14:21.040,0:14:26.399
yeah so during phase one how was it

0:14:24.560,0:14:28.800
cleaning your teeth was it difficult was

0:14:26.399,0:14:29.199
it impossible did you use special tools

0:14:28.800,0:14:31.519
for

0:14:29.199,0:14:33.920
what talk a little bit about that well i

0:14:31.519,0:14:35.680
had to use a bunch of special tools

0:14:33.920,0:14:37.440
you guys uh definitely thought that i

0:14:35.680,0:14:39.680
needed a lot more help

0:14:37.440,0:14:41.040
um than just having a normal toothbrush

0:14:39.680,0:14:43.360
and mouthwash

0:14:41.040,0:14:44.079
so you got you had gotten me an electric

0:14:43.360,0:14:47.440
toothbrush

0:14:44.079,0:14:48.639
that would um spin and help me brush my

0:14:47.440,0:14:51.600
teeth better

0:14:48.639,0:14:53.440
and flossing was another big problem um

0:14:51.600,0:14:56.880
you guys didn’t want me to use

0:14:53.440,0:15:00.320
the you guys didn’t want me to have to

0:14:56.880,0:15:02.399
um just floss with the string because

0:15:00.320,0:15:04.160
that would cause a bunch of difficulty

0:15:02.399,0:15:06.399
and even when i try it now

0:15:04.160,0:15:07.279
after having like them for almost two

0:15:06.399,0:15:10.720
years

0:15:07.279,0:15:13.120
um i can’t even do that so we had gotten

0:15:10.720,0:15:15.360
a water pig that shot out water and had

0:15:13.120,0:15:18.720
a little brush that you can use to

0:15:15.360,0:15:23.120
clean off everything and it definitely

0:15:18.720,0:15:26.320
um works out um

0:15:23.120,0:15:28.000
and uh yeah that yeah they were the main

0:15:26.320,0:15:31.839
tools that i’d use

0:15:28.000,0:15:34.639
um i also had to have another toothpaste

0:15:31.839,0:15:37.199
that um was minty flavored that i would

0:15:34.639,0:15:41.199
also have with my normal toothpaste

0:15:37.199,0:15:44.639
um to help with braces so

0:15:41.199,0:15:45.519
talking you know there’s a when you had

0:15:44.639,0:15:48.399
everything

0:15:45.519,0:15:50.079
done initially there was a lot of metal

0:15:48.399,0:15:54.880
in your mouth

0:15:50.079,0:15:57.040
um how did that affect your ability to

0:15:54.880,0:15:58.800
form words and to speak was it

0:15:57.040,0:16:00.480
uncomfortable was it difficult to talk

0:15:58.800,0:16:03.920
did you have to

0:16:00.480,0:16:06.800
learn how to talk a different way well

0:16:03.920,0:16:07.519
i definitely say that after i’d gotten

0:16:06.800,0:16:10.800
all the work

0:16:07.519,0:16:11.120
done in the beginning i had a very hard

0:16:10.800,0:16:14.639
time

0:16:11.120,0:16:16.160
speaking while we were mummy while mommy

0:16:14.639,0:16:17.040
was driving me back home we were

0:16:16.160,0:16:20.639
actually on a

0:16:17.040,0:16:22.480
um we were on a call with you and

0:16:20.639,0:16:24.399
i tried to speak and you couldn’t

0:16:22.480,0:16:26.480
understand the word i was saying

0:16:24.399,0:16:28.560
the doctor also recommended that i’d

0:16:26.480,0:16:31.519
have that i’d have to

0:16:28.560,0:16:32.959
practice saying yes since it was pretty

0:16:31.519,0:16:35.120
hard for me to talk and

0:16:32.959,0:16:36.000
i wasn’t very understandable i mean i’m

0:16:35.120,0:16:39.120
not understandable

0:16:36.000,0:16:42.320
now but because i mumble a lot

0:16:39.120,0:16:43.920
um but back then like it sounded like i

0:16:42.320,0:16:46.000
was always mumbling and no one could

0:16:43.920,0:16:47.600
really understand me that well

0:16:46.000,0:16:49.920
so how long did it take you to get

0:16:47.600,0:16:50.480
adjusted to the braces in phase one

0:16:49.920,0:16:53.040
before

0:16:50.480,0:16:53.839
you know you’re okay with the diet and

0:16:53.040,0:16:55.440
managing them

0:16:53.839,0:16:57.040
and cleaning them and maintaining them

0:16:55.440,0:16:59.279
and and talking

0:16:57.040,0:17:01.040
okay so talking was probably the

0:16:59.279,0:17:04.720
quickest thing i was able to get

0:17:01.040,0:17:08.559
um normalized to too

0:17:04.720,0:17:11.439
i was able to um talk a lot

0:17:08.559,0:17:12.160
um i was able to get a normal speech

0:17:11.439,0:17:14.720
going

0:17:12.160,0:17:16.240
um right around the time that i realized

0:17:14.720,0:17:18.559
that the braces

0:17:16.240,0:17:21.120
when i didn’t feel like the braces were

0:17:18.559,0:17:24.559
anything weird like

0:17:21.120,0:17:25.760
um before when i had first gotten them

0:17:24.559,0:17:27.679
on

0:17:25.760,0:17:29.600
it would it felt weird having the

0:17:27.679,0:17:32.080
brackets on my lips

0:17:29.600,0:17:33.760
and it kind of felt weird because you’re

0:17:32.080,0:17:34.240
normally used to feeling the smooth

0:17:33.760,0:17:36.640
teeth

0:17:34.240,0:17:38.160
and then when you get the brackets on

0:17:36.640,0:17:41.280
it’s kind of weird with your

0:17:38.160,0:17:42.080
um lips but i had once i’d gotten used

0:17:41.280,0:17:45.120
to that

0:17:42.080,0:17:47.760
i was able to talk um better

0:17:45.120,0:17:49.520
and eating it took me a little while but

0:17:47.760,0:17:50.000
as soon as i realized i could eat solid

0:17:49.520,0:17:52.880
foods

0:17:50.000,0:17:55.440
i was right off of that soft food diet i

0:17:52.880,0:17:58.320
did not like that soft food diet

0:17:55.440,0:17:59.200
um cleaning i started getting um more

0:17:58.320,0:18:01.760
used to

0:17:59.200,0:18:04.080
i knew i had it to clean a lot i knew i

0:18:01.760,0:18:07.200
had to clean my mouth a lot better

0:18:04.080,0:18:07.600
um but but eating was definitely one of

0:18:07.200,0:18:10.080
the

0:18:07.600,0:18:13.200
hardest things for the whole thing um

0:18:10.080,0:18:14.960
one of the hardest things because

0:18:13.200,0:18:17.600
um having the lip bumper and the

0:18:14.960,0:18:20.960
appliance food would get stuck in there

0:18:17.600,0:18:23.039
a lot and that would get annoying so

0:18:20.960,0:18:24.400
all in all how do you think you fared on

0:18:23.039,0:18:27.120
a scale of 1 to 10

0:18:24.400,0:18:28.240
10 being the best how would you say you

0:18:27.120,0:18:30.880
fared

0:18:28.240,0:18:32.400
with braces in phase one um

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i’d say maybe a six or seven um

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definitely in the beginning it was very

0:18:36.799,0:18:41.360
difficult and very painful

0:18:39.200,0:18:42.320
but after i’d started getting used to it

0:18:41.360,0:18:45.039
things were

0:18:42.320,0:18:45.039
looking better

0:18:45.919,0:18:49.520
phase one’s over and done with we’re

0:18:48.160,0:18:51.760
we’re well into

0:18:49.520,0:18:53.280
phase two at this point in time let’s

0:18:51.760,0:18:55.930
take a quick break we’ll come back and

0:18:53.280,0:19:02.449
we’ll see how you’re doing in phase two

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so we’re talking braces today and we’re

0:20:09.280,0:20:14.400
talking about

0:20:10.400,0:20:16.640
how you are faring with your braces

0:20:14.400,0:20:19.520
uh we got you through phase one without

0:20:16.640,0:20:23.760
too much of a problem some discomfort

0:20:19.520,0:20:25.280
some soft food dietary issues that are

0:20:23.760,0:20:28.240
lasting now

0:20:25.280,0:20:28.720
but we’re into phase two now and i think

0:20:28.240,0:20:30.480
we can

0:20:28.720,0:20:33.679
say phase two probably kicked off when

0:20:30.480,0:20:36.159
you had your bumper removed permanently

0:20:33.679,0:20:38.000
tell us what else phase two of your

0:20:36.159,0:20:40.640
braces has

0:20:38.000,0:20:41.760
entailed so after i’d gotten my lip

0:20:40.640,0:20:45.200
bumper off

0:20:41.760,0:20:48.559
i had actually had to um spend

0:20:45.200,0:20:50.240
a few a few months without anything on

0:20:48.559,0:20:53.600
my bottom mouth

0:20:50.240,0:20:55.760
um and that was because i was planning

0:20:53.600,0:20:56.480
on getting my bottom braces on at that

0:20:55.760,0:21:00.080
point

0:20:56.480,0:21:03.200
so um i think we needed to get

0:21:00.080,0:21:04.320
um a few more teeth removed i’m not

0:21:03.200,0:21:06.799
entirely

0:21:04.320,0:21:08.480
sure um but i’m thinking that we did

0:21:06.799,0:21:11.120
have to get some teeth removed in order

0:21:08.480,0:21:14.320
for me to get my bottom braces on

0:21:11.120,0:21:17.520
and um when i did get them on

0:21:14.320,0:21:18.720
um i had to kind of go on that soft food

0:21:17.520,0:21:21.039
diet again

0:21:18.720,0:21:23.120
uh that was probably one of the biggest

0:21:21.039,0:21:25.919
steps in phase two

0:21:23.120,0:21:27.840
now did that soft food diet entail

0:21:25.919,0:21:29.919
different foods than phase one

0:21:27.840,0:21:31.360
or did you just bite the bullet and go

0:21:29.919,0:21:33.840
back to some of the old ones

0:21:31.360,0:21:35.360
i mean yeah that was definitely a change

0:21:33.840,0:21:38.400
that was the second

0:21:35.360,0:21:40.799
first um soft food diet that i went on

0:21:38.400,0:21:42.080
and it was clear that i didn’t want to

0:21:40.799,0:21:46.000
eat the food that

0:21:42.080,0:21:47.919
i was that um there was before because

0:21:46.000,0:21:49.919
we’d actually gone to the diner after i

0:21:47.919,0:21:52.240
got all the work done for dinner

0:21:49.919,0:21:53.039
and i was able to have a milkshake for

0:21:52.240,0:21:56.240
dinner

0:21:53.039,0:21:57.200
but you als but you were having chicken

0:21:56.240,0:21:59.919
parm with

0:21:57.200,0:22:01.760
um cheese and i actually just wanted

0:21:59.919,0:22:03.520
your cheese and i didn’t even finish the

0:22:01.760,0:22:05.600
milkshake because i just

0:22:03.520,0:22:06.559
didn’t want to go back on that soft food

0:22:05.600,0:22:08.240
diet

0:22:06.559,0:22:10.559
well and you managed to get through it

0:22:08.240,0:22:13.360
though so what was the big

0:22:10.559,0:22:15.200
change what was what was the impact of

0:22:13.360,0:22:16.720
having to get the braces on your bottom

0:22:15.200,0:22:18.559
teeth was this a

0:22:16.720,0:22:20.080
learning curve of having having to learn

0:22:18.559,0:22:22.159
how to talk again

0:22:20.080,0:22:23.760
or was it a different experience than

0:22:22.159,0:22:26.799
phase one honestly

0:22:23.760,0:22:29.600
phase one um got me through the talking

0:22:26.799,0:22:32.240
um part phase two never really i never

0:22:29.600,0:22:34.480
really had too much problem with talking

0:22:32.240,0:22:36.400
um i was much more adjusted to talking

0:22:34.480,0:22:38.799
and even when i got the braces on

0:22:36.400,0:22:40.159
it wasn’t that difficult to talk since i

0:22:38.799,0:22:42.000
was kind of already used to having a

0:22:40.159,0:22:44.640
bunch of stuff done to my bottom teeth

0:22:42.000,0:22:47.679
and that was a whole nother thing

0:22:44.640,0:22:51.360
okay so

0:22:47.679,0:22:52.000
the initial idea of so you went through

0:22:51.360,0:22:54.880
without

0:22:52.000,0:22:56.559
having to do braces on the bottom teeth

0:22:54.880,0:23:00.400
any brackets on the bottom for

0:22:56.559,0:23:02.799
the initial go so then they put them on

0:23:00.400,0:23:04.320
uh what was the was it painful when they

0:23:02.799,0:23:08.000
put the bottom brackets on

0:23:04.320,0:23:09.280
was it strange did it take you time to

0:23:08.000,0:23:11.360
adjust to it

0:23:09.280,0:23:13.760
did you have the appliance still in at

0:23:11.360,0:23:15.840
the time yeah i had the appliance it was

0:23:13.760,0:23:17.280
just the lip bumper that was getting

0:23:15.840,0:23:19.120
it was just my bottom teeth that were

0:23:17.280,0:23:20.960
getting a whole overflow

0:23:19.120,0:23:23.679
my top teeth really didn’t have much

0:23:20.960,0:23:24.720
going on um besides you know the casual

0:23:23.679,0:23:27.039
adjustments

0:23:24.720,0:23:28.080
um each time so let’s talk about the

0:23:27.039,0:23:31.679
adjustments

0:23:28.080,0:23:35.120
was this a matter of them going in and

0:23:31.679,0:23:36.000
tightening the wires on there as your

0:23:35.120,0:23:38.720
teeth were

0:23:36.000,0:23:39.600
adjusting well yeah sometimes they would

0:23:38.720,0:23:43.760
take my wire

0:23:39.600,0:23:47.039
out and adjusted since um my teeth were

0:23:43.760,0:23:50.000
um moving more um but but

0:23:47.039,0:23:50.640
most of the time they just took out my

0:23:50.000,0:23:53.039
color

0:23:50.640,0:23:53.919
my colored bands and then put new ones

0:23:53.039,0:23:55.760
on

0:23:53.919,0:23:57.600
so all right so it’s interesting let’s

0:23:55.760,0:24:00.240
let’s step back a second here and talk

0:23:57.600,0:24:02.159
about how the braces themselves work

0:24:00.240,0:24:04.240
so there are brackets that go on the

0:24:02.159,0:24:07.039
teeth and they use a form

0:24:04.240,0:24:07.600
of oral cement to attach them to the

0:24:07.039,0:24:11.520
teeth

0:24:07.600,0:24:13.360
yep then there’s a wire that connects

0:24:11.520,0:24:14.880
between each of the brackets on the

0:24:13.360,0:24:18.159
upper and the lower teeth

0:24:14.880,0:24:21.679
yes and that wire is then held

0:24:18.159,0:24:25.039
on with small colored bands

0:24:21.679,0:24:28.480
um yeah but it’s also tied in on

0:24:25.039,0:24:29.440
the um i don’t know what to call these

0:24:28.480,0:24:31.760
the back of

0:24:29.440,0:24:33.360
your molars on the back yeah right so

0:24:31.760,0:24:34.080
they’re permanently attached to the

0:24:33.360,0:24:36.480
molars

0:24:34.080,0:24:37.520
well not permanently the wire is

0:24:36.480,0:24:40.000
attached

0:24:37.520,0:24:41.760
and then it runs around the bottom teeth

0:24:40.000,0:24:44.640
through the brackets

0:24:41.760,0:24:46.159
and then there’s the bands that go on

0:24:44.640,0:24:47.760
the outside

0:24:46.159,0:24:49.279
that hold the wire to the brackets

0:24:47.760,0:24:50.799
firmly yep

0:24:49.279,0:24:53.120
so then what they’ll do is they’ll

0:24:50.799,0:24:56.480
adjust the tightness on the bands and it

0:24:53.120,0:24:57.279
it brings your teeth in to keep them

0:24:56.480,0:24:59.600
straight

0:24:57.279,0:25:01.600
essentially and if it’s ever loose they

0:24:59.600,0:25:04.480
have to adjust it a little bit

0:25:01.600,0:25:05.360
okay so and then as your mouth grows it

0:25:04.480,0:25:06.960
loosens up

0:25:05.360,0:25:08.559
and they have to go back in they have to

0:25:06.960,0:25:10.000
tighten it up and when they tighten it

0:25:08.559,0:25:11.520
up they’ll pull those bands off they’ll

0:25:10.000,0:25:12.720
tighten it up and then they’ll put bands

0:25:11.520,0:25:15.600
back on

0:25:12.720,0:25:17.279
so that’s your adjustments so when they

0:25:15.600,0:25:17.840
make those adjustments and they tighten

0:25:17.279,0:25:21.200
things up

0:25:17.840,0:25:23.360
is there discomfort is there pain

0:25:21.200,0:25:25.360
how does that feel i mean it definitely

0:25:23.360,0:25:28.320
feels a little

0:25:25.360,0:25:30.480
painful which is why we actually take um

0:25:28.320,0:25:33.039
i take some pain medicine beforehand

0:25:30.480,0:25:34.559
so that it’s not as painful and i’ve

0:25:33.039,0:25:36.080
definitely gotten used to them just

0:25:34.559,0:25:37.840
taking the bands off

0:25:36.080,0:25:39.520
and i’m normally also waiting a little

0:25:37.840,0:25:42.320
bit because they have to work on

0:25:39.520,0:25:43.279
the other people going in um so it

0:25:42.320,0:25:46.000
actually

0:25:43.279,0:25:47.600
i adjusted that um much quicker than i

0:25:46.000,0:25:48.880
adjust to one some of the major

0:25:47.600,0:25:52.799
overhauls

0:25:48.880,0:25:54.640
um so like during the same day the bands

0:25:52.799,0:25:56.000
when they change the color they’ll feel

0:25:54.640,0:25:58.400
normal and i won’t have

0:25:56.000,0:25:59.840
to do any um and i’ll be able to eat

0:25:58.400,0:26:02.720
normal food

0:25:59.840,0:26:04.880
so you said you take medication what

0:26:02.720,0:26:06.960
type of medicine do you take

0:26:04.880,0:26:08.480
and you take it before you go to the

0:26:06.960,0:26:10.400
orthodontist right

0:26:08.480,0:26:13.279
what do you typically take i normally

0:26:10.400,0:26:16.320
take pain medicine such as tylenol

0:26:13.279,0:26:16.880
and um i can’t remember the name of the

0:26:16.320,0:26:19.840
other one

0:26:16.880,0:26:22.559
advil advil okay so just standard

0:26:19.840,0:26:24.159
over-the-counter stuff as preventative

0:26:22.559,0:26:25.919
a preventative measure for the pain

0:26:24.159,0:26:27.679
itself yeah and that

0:26:25.919,0:26:30.640
makes like it doesn’t make the pain go

0:26:27.679,0:26:33.600
away it just makes it more tolerable

0:26:30.640,0:26:35.039
so on a scale of one to ten ten being

0:26:33.600,0:26:37.200
the worst

0:26:35.039,0:26:40.799
how what sk what level would you put the

0:26:37.200,0:26:43.279
pain at that you’re experiencing

0:26:40.799,0:26:43.919
probably two or three it’s not that

0:26:43.279,0:26:46.159
painful

0:26:43.919,0:26:47.840
and definitely like not as painful as

0:26:46.159,0:26:50.080
some of the other things i felt

0:26:47.840,0:26:51.279
and it’s much easier to get used to so

0:26:50.080,0:26:54.559
i’ll definitely make and

0:26:51.279,0:26:56.799
rank it pretty low okay so

0:26:54.559,0:26:58.960
are were there any major adjustments

0:26:56.799,0:26:59.760
that had to happen during phase two so

0:26:58.960,0:27:03.120
far that

0:26:59.760,0:27:06.559
that you wound up being painful um

0:27:03.120,0:27:09.039
yeah besides having the braces put on

0:27:06.559,0:27:11.120
the funny thing is that i never had like

0:27:09.039,0:27:11.840
when i had my top braces on and phase

0:27:11.120,0:27:15.039
one

0:27:11.840,0:27:15.760
none of them ever came off but in phase

0:27:15.039,0:27:18.880
two

0:27:15.760,0:27:20.640
a lot of my bottom brackets came off and

0:27:18.880,0:27:22.240
the thing was the person that put on my

0:27:20.640,0:27:25.760
bottom brackets was

0:27:22.240,0:27:27.600
kinda new and i’m like okay why did she

0:27:25.760,0:27:29.919
put my brackets on

0:27:27.600,0:27:31.600
so it was so you ran into some some

0:27:29.919,0:27:33.600
maintenance issues

0:27:31.600,0:27:34.960
with the new stuff there and and you

0:27:33.600,0:27:36.960
know we don’t certainly don’t want to

0:27:34.960,0:27:40.159
point fingers or anything but

0:27:36.960,0:27:43.200
we don’t know if maybe it was bad uh

0:27:40.159,0:27:44.720
oral cement if the teeth weren’t

0:27:43.200,0:27:45.679
prepared correctly because i have to

0:27:44.720,0:27:47.440
assume

0:27:45.679,0:27:49.039
they probably need to do some kind of

0:27:47.440,0:27:49.840
cleaning or something to get everything

0:27:49.039,0:27:52.080
off the tooth

0:27:49.840,0:27:53.279
yeah before they put the cement on to

0:27:52.080,0:27:55.279
put the bracket on so it could have been

0:27:53.279,0:27:57.440
any number of things

0:27:55.279,0:27:59.440
besides the brackets popping off did you

0:27:57.440,0:28:00.000
run into any other type of maintenance

0:27:59.440,0:28:02.559
issues

0:28:00.000,0:28:03.039
wires popping out or anything like that

0:28:02.559,0:28:06.399
i mean

0:28:03.039,0:28:10.880
sometimes i’d have um

0:28:06.399,0:28:14.159
wires come out but normally it wasn’t

0:28:10.880,0:28:16.080
super painful and i normally have my

0:28:14.159,0:28:18.480
appointment a couple days later so

0:28:16.080,0:28:21.120
it really wasn’t that big of a problem

0:28:18.480,0:28:23.919
so i’d have small maintenance issues but

0:28:21.120,0:28:25.200
um honestly they weren’t like huge

0:28:23.919,0:28:28.320
overhauls but

0:28:25.200,0:28:30.240
i had actually had a recent um really

0:28:28.320,0:28:34.960
big overhaul on my mouth

0:28:30.240,0:28:36.640
um um the last time i went

0:28:34.960,0:28:38.159
and we’ll get to that in a second but i

0:28:36.640,0:28:39.039
wanted to talk about a couple of other

0:28:38.159,0:28:42.480
things first

0:28:39.039,0:28:45.520
okay so phase two

0:28:42.480,0:28:47.919
the bumper’s gone how does that affect

0:28:45.520,0:28:50.799
it cleaning the teeth in phase two

0:28:47.919,0:28:51.520
um i found it a lot easier because now

0:28:50.799,0:28:54.799
it doesn’t get

0:28:51.520,0:28:57.679
stuck um out as much as

0:28:54.799,0:28:58.000
it would in my bottom teeth i mean for a

0:28:57.679,0:29:00.559
little

0:28:58.000,0:29:02.399
while um i didn’t have anything going on

0:29:00.559,0:29:05.600
my bottom teeth so they were just

0:29:02.399,0:29:07.760
plain um they were just

0:29:05.600,0:29:08.880
my teeth just not covered with the

0:29:07.760,0:29:11.600
braces yet

0:29:08.880,0:29:12.000
while my top teeth were with braces on

0:29:11.600,0:29:14.320
and it

0:29:12.000,0:29:15.840
was quite easy and it felt nice not

0:29:14.320,0:29:18.000
having to have

0:29:15.840,0:29:19.600
the lip bumper because that also caused

0:29:18.000,0:29:22.720
a few discomforts

0:29:19.600,0:29:24.960
from time to time now are you still

0:29:22.720,0:29:26.640
under a restriction as to what you can

0:29:24.960,0:29:27.840
and can’t eat there’s certain foods you

0:29:26.640,0:29:31.120
still can’t eat with

0:29:27.840,0:29:32.080
phase two um yeah can you give some

0:29:31.120,0:29:34.640
examples

0:29:32.080,0:29:36.399
um like caramel i’m trying to stay away

0:29:34.640,0:29:38.559
from caramel liquid caramel

0:29:36.399,0:29:40.080
salad caramel that’s definitely one

0:29:38.559,0:29:40.799
thing i’ve always tried to stay away

0:29:40.080,0:29:43.840
from because

0:29:40.799,0:29:46.720
like the heavy sticky foods yeah like

0:29:43.840,0:29:47.360
laffy taffy stuff like that okay now is

0:29:46.720,0:29:49.440
that because

0:29:47.360,0:29:51.440
it’ll stick to the braces or because

0:29:49.440,0:29:52.799
it’s hard to clean or will it actually

0:29:51.440,0:29:56.640
damage the braces

0:29:52.799,0:29:57.039
um probably it sticks to the braces and

0:29:56.640,0:29:59.360
could

0:29:57.039,0:30:00.720
possibly damage the braces so i’ve

0:29:59.360,0:30:03.600
definitely stayed away from

0:30:00.720,0:30:04.480
um a lot of that candy stuff so your

0:30:03.600,0:30:07.520
your diet

0:30:04.480,0:30:10.320
in phase two have there been

0:30:07.520,0:30:10.720
any real dietary restrictions that have

0:30:10.320,0:30:13.760
been

0:30:10.720,0:30:14.960
problematic for you um not really i’ve

0:30:13.760,0:30:17.520
gotten used to not

0:30:14.960,0:30:19.440
eating the other stuff because i mean

0:30:17.520,0:30:21.279
even when i didn’t have my braces on i

0:30:19.440,0:30:25.919
really wouldn’t need a lot of caramel

0:30:21.279,0:30:28.640
um or really like sticky candies

0:30:25.919,0:30:30.559
i never really liked them so um it

0:30:28.640,0:30:31.600
wasn’t too big of a change when i got

0:30:30.559,0:30:34.720
the braces on

0:30:31.600,0:30:35.760
for having the restrictions but the saw

0:30:34.720,0:30:38.960
food diet

0:30:35.760,0:30:42.000
that was so

0:30:38.960,0:30:44.320
so you mentioned a major overhaul

0:30:42.000,0:30:45.120
that happened recently in fact this is

0:30:44.320,0:30:47.600
last week

0:30:45.120,0:30:49.279
you just had a whole boatload of work

0:30:47.600,0:30:52.559
done when you were in there for

0:30:49.279,0:30:54.399
probably an hour over an hour um while

0:30:52.559,0:30:56.000
you know being the good dad that i am i

0:30:54.399,0:30:58.000
sat out in the heat in the car

0:30:56.000,0:30:59.679
because i wasn’t allowed in the

0:30:58.000,0:31:01.840
air-conditioned office because of covid

0:30:59.679,0:31:04.880
not that i’m complaining or anything

0:31:01.840,0:31:07.039
i was happy to do it um but

0:31:04.880,0:31:08.320
let’s talk a little bit about what they

0:31:07.039,0:31:10.320
did

0:31:08.320,0:31:11.679
last week what was this major overhaul

0:31:10.320,0:31:14.000
what did it entail

0:31:11.679,0:31:16.640
well the first thing they did was take

0:31:14.000,0:31:19.200
out my top appliance which i had had in

0:31:16.640,0:31:20.240
for ever since i got my top braces on

0:31:19.200,0:31:23.200
which have

0:31:20.240,0:31:24.880
which were about two years ago so that

0:31:23.200,0:31:29.039
was your palette expander

0:31:24.880,0:31:30.559
uh-huh um and them taking it out was

0:31:29.039,0:31:32.559
kind of weird because they had to break

0:31:30.559,0:31:35.279
the cement that was holding it in

0:31:32.559,0:31:36.080
and that definitely caused um a big

0:31:35.279,0:31:38.960
shock

0:31:36.080,0:31:40.240
for me they um they were really large

0:31:38.960,0:31:42.320
clinking sounds

0:31:40.240,0:31:43.919
and i had to wash my mouth out a lot

0:31:42.320,0:31:45.840
during the whole thing

0:31:43.919,0:31:47.360
because they were also adding bra more

0:31:45.840,0:31:49.679
brackets on

0:31:47.360,0:31:51.840
to the teeth that were going in that

0:31:49.679,0:31:52.320
they that weren’t there when they first

0:31:51.840,0:31:56.000
put the

0:31:52.320,0:31:58.799
braces on and um for

0:31:56.000,0:31:59.279
where the t where the appliance hooked

0:31:58.799,0:32:01.360
in

0:31:59.279,0:32:03.679
they needed to put it in for that so i

0:32:01.360,0:32:09.039
had a few more braces done to my top

0:32:03.679,0:32:12.000
um mouth um and they also had to

0:32:09.039,0:32:13.679
fix the top wire honestly it was

0:32:12.000,0:32:15.760
basically just a bunch of

0:32:13.679,0:32:17.440
top overhauls and a bit of the bottom

0:32:15.760,0:32:19.600
overhaul as well

0:32:17.440,0:32:21.039
now was the experience the overall

0:32:19.600,0:32:25.360
experience itself

0:32:21.039,0:32:29.200
painful uh yeah i’d say it was

0:32:25.360,0:32:33.519
kind of painful um and definitely weird

0:32:29.200,0:32:35.279
um weird hell like weird as though like

0:32:33.519,0:32:36.720
especially when they broke this to men

0:32:35.279,0:32:38.480
that was just one of the weirdest

0:32:36.720,0:32:40.159
experiences because like

0:32:38.480,0:32:42.640
you hear the crack and it’s like oh god

0:32:40.159,0:32:45.440
did they break a teeth or something

0:32:42.640,0:32:46.960
it was just freaky and i think

0:32:45.440,0:32:49.600
afterwards the pain

0:32:46.960,0:32:50.320
started to set in more because for me it

0:32:49.600,0:32:53.039
just felt

0:32:50.320,0:32:55.120
slightly uncomfortable but then once we

0:32:53.039,0:32:58.559
were done the pain kind of kicked in

0:32:55.120,0:33:01.279
because now i have hooks on my um

0:32:58.559,0:33:01.840
brackets and they kind of feel a little

0:33:01.279,0:33:05.120
painful

0:33:01.840,0:33:05.600
even now after about a week it’s i still

0:33:05.120,0:33:08.640
feel

0:33:05.600,0:33:11.840
a little bit of the pain from um

0:33:08.640,0:33:13.919
my bottom lip from the hook so

0:33:11.840,0:33:15.279
you had the work done thursday of last

0:33:13.919,0:33:18.240
week

0:33:15.279,0:33:19.760
we did the podcast last week on saturday

0:33:18.240,0:33:22.960
as well

0:33:19.760,0:33:24.799
and you were pretty much okay

0:33:22.960,0:33:26.640
at that point from a from a pain

0:33:24.799,0:33:27.840
standpoint you were able to talk and

0:33:26.640,0:33:30.080
everything

0:33:27.840,0:33:31.279
uh but we’re over a week later now

0:33:30.080,0:33:33.039
you’re still experiencing some

0:33:31.279,0:33:35.200
discomfort

0:33:33.039,0:33:37.120
so those those hooks that they put in is

0:33:35.200,0:33:37.840
that in preparation for putting bands

0:33:37.120,0:33:41.120
back in are

0:33:37.840,0:33:43.039
we going back to bands i’m think

0:33:41.120,0:33:44.480
i’m thinking we are because they

0:33:43.039,0:33:46.399
sometimes ask me like

0:33:44.480,0:33:48.320
are you wearing bands and i’m like no

0:33:46.399,0:33:49.519
and then they’re like oh you will be

0:33:48.320,0:33:51.760
soon and then

0:33:49.519,0:33:53.200
this whole overhaul made me really

0:33:51.760,0:33:56.559
realize that

0:33:53.200,0:33:59.519
okay that time’s almost coming okay

0:33:56.559,0:34:01.760
so you’re getting discomfort from the

0:33:59.519,0:34:05.440
hooks that they put on the bottom

0:34:01.760,0:34:07.919
was there any discomfort or

0:34:05.440,0:34:09.119
adjustment comfort adjustment that you

0:34:07.919,0:34:11.119
needed to make

0:34:09.119,0:34:12.800
when they took the appliance out was

0:34:11.119,0:34:15.839
there anything strange from that

0:34:12.800,0:34:16.800
i mean the swelling from the from my top

0:34:15.839,0:34:21.119
mouth yes

0:34:16.800,0:34:22.320
um because my appliance kind of situated

0:34:21.119,0:34:25.440
itself

0:34:22.320,0:34:28.320
on like the top flesh of my job

0:34:25.440,0:34:29.359
and taking it out really made me feel as

0:34:28.320,0:34:31.440
though exactly

0:34:29.359,0:34:33.359
where it was placed and then all the

0:34:31.440,0:34:36.079
store um

0:34:33.359,0:34:36.560
parts of my mouth on the top of my mouth

0:34:36.079,0:34:39.679
that

0:34:36.560,0:34:41.359
um was surrounding it so it definitely

0:34:39.679,0:34:43.040
felt weird to have that out

0:34:41.359,0:34:44.720
so what did you get did you get like

0:34:43.040,0:34:46.800
pitting or something on your

0:34:44.720,0:34:48.720
on your the roof of your mouth as a

0:34:46.800,0:34:49.520
result of it i mean they kind of felt

0:34:48.720,0:34:52.480
sore

0:34:49.520,0:34:53.520
um like in certain places it was like

0:34:52.480,0:34:56.159
puffed up

0:34:53.520,0:34:57.680
um due to where the appliance was

0:34:56.159,0:35:00.720
situated

0:34:57.680,0:35:04.079
um so i’d say that

0:35:00.720,0:35:06.160
they were sort of sore from um

0:35:04.079,0:35:08.400
the appliance and never really realized

0:35:06.160,0:35:10.480
it now how does it feel now

0:35:08.400,0:35:12.160
um now it’s actually much better i

0:35:10.480,0:35:13.280
definitely think that part of my mouth

0:35:12.160,0:35:15.200
is healed

0:35:13.280,0:35:16.320
i don’t really have any problems it

0:35:15.200,0:35:20.000
feels smooth

0:35:16.320,0:35:23.200
as though the appliance um was not there

0:35:20.000,0:35:25.680
of course i still kind of feel um

0:35:23.200,0:35:27.760
with i do know where the appliance was

0:35:25.680,0:35:28.480
because there are still some areas that

0:35:27.760,0:35:31.040
haven’t

0:35:28.480,0:35:33.839
fully recovered but now there’s not as

0:35:31.040,0:35:35.839
much swelling and it feels more normal

0:35:33.839,0:35:37.599
all right so on a scale of one to ten

0:35:35.839,0:35:39.599
ten being the worst where do you think

0:35:37.599,0:35:42.640
you are at your comfort level now

0:35:39.599,0:35:45.680
um i’d say

0:35:42.640,0:35:46.079
three or four um still not completely

0:35:45.680,0:35:48.560
done

0:35:46.079,0:35:50.160
but definitely not as painful as when i

0:35:48.560,0:35:53.440
had first gotten it done

0:35:50.160,0:35:56.880
okay so that’s phase two

0:35:53.440,0:35:58.720
uh we we will be moving into phase three

0:35:56.880,0:36:01.040
probably in the next when’s your next

0:35:58.720,0:36:03.040
appointment october i think right

0:36:01.040,0:36:04.320
so that’ll probably kick off phase three

0:36:03.040,0:36:07.280
where we go into

0:36:04.320,0:36:08.079
kind of the home stretch so let’s take a

0:36:07.280,0:36:09.839
quick break

0:36:08.079,0:36:12.079
and then we’ll come back and we’ll talk

0:36:09.839,0:36:13.560
about what we kind of expect phase three

0:36:12.079,0:36:21.839
to be

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welcome back we are talking today about

0:37:26.400,0:37:29.520
the

0:37:27.040,0:37:31.599
wonderful experience of getting braces

0:37:29.520,0:37:34.800
as a teenager

0:37:31.599,0:37:37.359
madison just had a a

0:37:34.800,0:37:38.400
load of work done to her mouth that uh

0:37:37.359,0:37:41.440
was

0:37:38.400,0:37:42.720
phase two of the conclusion probably of

0:37:41.440,0:37:44.560
phase two

0:37:42.720,0:37:46.240
and we’re moving into phase three now

0:37:44.560,0:37:46.960
which hopefully is the home stretch and

0:37:46.240,0:37:50.000
you shouldn’t

0:37:46.960,0:37:53.359
be dealing with this much longer we’re

0:37:50.000,0:37:56.480
two years or so into this uh uh

0:37:53.359,0:37:57.680
adventure of braces so far so one of the

0:37:56.480,0:37:58.720
things that we know we’re probably going

0:37:57.680,0:38:01.839
to be looking at

0:37:58.720,0:38:02.720
is bands you know rubber bands explain

0:38:01.839,0:38:04.480
to us what the

0:38:02.720,0:38:06.320
what the bands actually are what the

0:38:04.480,0:38:07.200
experience of the bands has been for you

0:38:06.320,0:38:08.960
so far

0:38:07.200,0:38:10.960
so the rubber bands there are different

0:38:08.960,0:38:14.640
sizes for different jaws

0:38:10.960,0:38:15.599
and i have a teal package from the last

0:38:14.640,0:38:18.960
time i

0:38:15.599,0:38:20.560
um had my bands on and um my bands

0:38:18.960,0:38:22.720
mainly was consistent in

0:38:20.560,0:38:23.760
phase one and i hadn’t put them on in

0:38:22.720,0:38:25.839
phase two

0:38:23.760,0:38:27.520
so phase three is probably going to

0:38:25.839,0:38:29.839
include them since

0:38:27.520,0:38:32.240
now i have hooks on where i’m pretty

0:38:29.839,0:38:33.839
sure i would hook the bands on and i’m

0:38:32.240,0:38:37.280
assuming that the bands are just

0:38:33.839,0:38:41.119
to um get my teeth to

0:38:37.280,0:38:44.400
cut um get um come together

0:38:41.119,0:38:45.200
because in the very beginning my back

0:38:44.400,0:38:48.320
teeth

0:38:45.200,0:38:50.560
wouldn’t go together like whenever i’d

0:38:48.320,0:38:51.359
smile my top teeth would touch my bottom

0:38:50.560,0:38:54.000
teeth but

0:38:51.359,0:38:54.960
um my back teeth wouldn’t um come with

0:38:54.000,0:38:56.960
it

0:38:54.960,0:38:58.320
so the bands were kind of used at that

0:38:56.960,0:38:59.839
point

0:38:58.320,0:39:02.320
and i’m assuming they have a similar

0:38:59.839,0:39:05.040
purpose um in phase three

0:39:02.320,0:39:05.760
so so braces themselves are all about

0:39:05.040,0:39:08.880
tension

0:39:05.760,0:39:11.920
you know pulling your teeth together um

0:39:08.880,0:39:13.599
tightening them up and so forth and

0:39:11.920,0:39:15.520
and the bands themselves are another

0:39:13.599,0:39:17.280
form of tension but in a different

0:39:15.520,0:39:18.880
direction right so instead of pulling

0:39:17.280,0:39:21.359
your teeth together

0:39:18.880,0:39:22.480
they help to adjust your your upper or

0:39:21.359,0:39:25.839
lower palate

0:39:22.480,0:39:29.359
with the tension of the bands um

0:39:25.839,0:39:30.560
so it’s really all about tension when it

0:39:29.359,0:39:33.359
comes to

0:39:30.560,0:39:34.560
to braces so besides the bands

0:39:33.359,0:39:37.599
themselves which you

0:39:34.560,0:39:40.079
are anticipating having to go back to

0:39:37.599,0:39:41.280
um what else are we looking at in the

0:39:40.079,0:39:43.520
coming months

0:39:41.280,0:39:45.440
uh that the doctors told you about are

0:39:43.520,0:39:47.200
you expected to get

0:39:45.440,0:39:48.560
more visits are you getting any more

0:39:47.200,0:39:50.480
appliances put in

0:39:48.560,0:39:52.160
are you getting any more major work done

0:39:50.480,0:39:52.720
at this point in time or are you really

0:39:52.160,0:39:56.720
in the

0:39:52.720,0:39:59.599
the last stretch well

0:39:56.720,0:40:01.200
um they mentioned a bunch of times as

0:39:59.599,0:40:04.160
they were doing the work

0:40:01.200,0:40:06.800
um like although it wasn’t um

0:40:04.160,0:40:08.880
discomforting they said like

0:40:06.800,0:40:10.720
one step close to getting your braces

0:40:08.880,0:40:12.400
off so i’m assuming that we’re going

0:40:10.720,0:40:15.920
into the home stretch

0:40:12.400,0:40:17.440
at some point um and for the next

0:40:15.920,0:40:18.160
appointment i’m pretty sure it’s just

0:40:17.440,0:40:20.400
gonna be a

0:40:18.160,0:40:21.440
checkup i’m not entirely sure they’re

0:40:20.400,0:40:23.920
gonna be doing

0:40:21.440,0:40:26.640
any real major work it’s just going to

0:40:23.920,0:40:30.560
be changing my colors making sure

0:40:26.640,0:40:32.400
everything’s um correct and nothing

0:40:30.560,0:40:35.839
needs to be tightened

0:40:32.400,0:40:37.680
so i’m assuming that this next checkup

0:40:35.839,0:40:39.280
isn’t really going to be anything major

0:40:37.680,0:40:41.680
done um

0:40:39.280,0:40:44.240
so we might be in the home stretch i’m

0:40:41.680,0:40:46.000
still debating that though

0:40:44.240,0:40:47.760
so through this whole ordeal you’re

0:40:46.000,0:40:49.040
still going to see your regular dentist

0:40:47.760,0:40:50.880
aren’t you

0:40:49.040,0:40:53.200
and you had an appointment within the

0:40:50.880,0:40:55.920
last month or so to see your dentist

0:40:53.200,0:40:56.640
how did that go did he have any concerns

0:40:55.920,0:40:58.720
about the

0:40:56.640,0:41:01.119
the health of your teeth the cleaning of

0:40:58.720,0:41:04.480
your teeth are you doing a good job

0:41:01.119,0:41:04.880
you know i’m sure he recognizes the fact

0:41:04.480,0:41:07.839
that

0:41:04.880,0:41:09.599
having braces makes it difficult did he

0:41:07.839,0:41:11.440
have any advice for you

0:41:09.599,0:41:13.680
tell us about how your dentist reacted

0:41:11.440,0:41:16.480
to your

0:41:13.680,0:41:17.119
well there was um one thing they wanted

0:41:16.480,0:41:19.920
to check

0:41:17.119,0:41:20.400
because um i do have a problem with my

0:41:19.920,0:41:24.240
back

0:41:20.400,0:41:26.640
teeth um um i think my

0:41:24.240,0:41:28.079
one of my back teeth is more situated in

0:41:26.640,0:41:31.280
my gums and it’s

0:41:28.079,0:41:33.040
getting a little and it could cause some

0:41:31.280,0:41:34.640
discomfort at some point

0:41:33.040,0:41:36.800
i’m not entirely sure but i know

0:41:34.640,0:41:39.440
something’s wrong with my back teeth

0:41:36.800,0:41:41.040
um so i’m not entirely sure if they’re

0:41:39.440,0:41:44.480
going to be doing something to help

0:41:41.040,0:41:46.160
fix that because the last time i went to

0:41:44.480,0:41:49.440
the dentist other than

0:41:46.160,0:41:51.760
recently um they had found that problem

0:41:49.440,0:41:52.960
um but they definitely said i was doing

0:41:51.760,0:41:54.880
a better job

0:41:52.960,0:41:56.960
than i did from the last appointment i

0:41:54.880,0:41:58.800
went to um but they definitely said that

0:41:56.960,0:42:01.520
i needed to do more work

0:41:58.800,0:42:03.520
um make sure i’m always using my water

0:42:01.520,0:42:06.160
pick brushing really good you know

0:42:03.520,0:42:07.760
the typical stuff so do you think or do

0:42:06.160,0:42:10.000
you get the feeling that you’re

0:42:07.760,0:42:11.599
dentisting your orthodontist or

0:42:10.000,0:42:12.880
it’s a cooperative effort between the

0:42:11.599,0:42:14.480
two of them are they working

0:42:12.880,0:42:17.520
independently

0:42:14.480,0:42:20.560
you know do you do you feel that

0:42:17.520,0:42:22.880
that there’s a conflict there

0:42:20.560,0:42:24.319
somewhere or is it a cooperative effort

0:42:22.880,0:42:25.520
i think it’s more of a cooperative

0:42:24.319,0:42:28.960
effort between them

0:42:25.520,0:42:31.359
um because like sometimes we have

0:42:28.960,0:42:33.200
um information from my dentist that we

0:42:31.359,0:42:34.079
bring to the orthodontist and sometimes

0:42:33.200,0:42:38.160
we have

0:42:34.079,0:42:40.000
um um a message from our orthodontist

0:42:38.160,0:42:41.440
that we need to bring to my dentist so

0:42:40.000,0:42:43.200
i’m definitely thinking it’s more of a

0:42:41.440,0:42:45.280
cooperative thing

0:42:43.200,0:42:46.400
and do you think it’s working out so far

0:42:45.280,0:42:48.160
um yeah

0:42:46.400,0:42:50.880
um they don’t seem to be having any

0:42:48.160,0:42:54.560
problems with each other they just

0:42:50.880,0:42:56.880
need to make sure that i um have my

0:42:54.560,0:43:00.560
teeth clean but also have all the work

0:42:56.880,0:43:02.000
um going well so let’s talk maintenance

0:43:00.560,0:43:04.560
for a moment

0:43:02.000,0:43:06.880
um we’re gonna be going into phase three

0:43:04.560,0:43:08.240
is there anything that’s going to change

0:43:06.880,0:43:11.440
from your maintenance

0:43:08.240,0:43:13.680
do we need to get any new

0:43:11.440,0:43:15.920
tools or apparatuses is there anything

0:43:13.680,0:43:17.040
that we need to be aware of that should

0:43:15.920,0:43:18.560
be

0:43:17.040,0:43:20.000
should take special attention or

0:43:18.560,0:43:20.640
anything as we move forward or is it

0:43:20.000,0:43:23.200
just sort of

0:43:20.640,0:43:23.920
continue as on as we are kind of just

0:43:23.200,0:43:27.440
continue

0:43:23.920,0:43:30.480
make sure i’m still um brushing well

0:43:27.440,0:43:32.800
use my water peg stuff like that okay so

0:43:30.480,0:43:33.839
no major changes at this point not that

0:43:32.800,0:43:36.079
i know of no

0:43:33.839,0:43:38.000
and hopefully we are getting to the uh

0:43:36.079,0:43:40.480
the home stretch here

0:43:38.000,0:43:41.200
uh anything else that we need to know of

0:43:40.480,0:43:43.200
or that

0:43:41.200,0:43:44.960
is worthwhile to let the audience know

0:43:43.200,0:43:48.960
about with

0:43:44.960,0:43:52.079
the tail end of the braces experience

0:43:48.960,0:43:54.720
well i’m not entirely sure

0:43:52.079,0:43:56.640
i’m still kind of figuring out what’s

0:43:54.720,0:43:58.800
gonna go on in phase three

0:43:56.640,0:44:00.240
i don’t have all the information yet but

0:43:58.800,0:44:01.040
i’m definitely assuming that i’m at

0:44:00.240,0:44:04.079
least get

0:44:01.040,0:44:06.720
getting the bands back on and um

0:44:04.079,0:44:08.720
cleaning’s gonna kind of be the same so

0:44:06.720,0:44:09.200
do you feel that the orthodontist has

0:44:08.720,0:44:12.640
kind of

0:44:09.200,0:44:14.720
kept you up to speed as to what the game

0:44:12.640,0:44:17.040
plan is and what the next steps are and

0:44:14.720,0:44:18.880
what to expect or do you feel like

0:44:17.040,0:44:20.400
stuff is just coming out of left field

0:44:18.880,0:44:22.240
and hitting you without you

0:44:20.400,0:44:24.240
being aware of it i mean i definitely

0:44:22.240,0:44:27.119
feel as though they have been giving me

0:44:24.240,0:44:28.720
um the information that i need um

0:44:27.119,0:44:31.200
especially when like

0:44:28.720,0:44:33.040
the last woman i had before i went to

0:44:31.200,0:44:34.400
get my appliance out they had mentioned

0:44:33.040,0:44:36.000
that my appliance was going to be

0:44:34.400,0:44:38.800
removed and that we were going to add

0:44:36.000,0:44:39.520
more brackets on top they don’t tell me

0:44:38.800,0:44:42.079
everything

0:44:39.520,0:44:44.400
entirely which is probably why i don’t

0:44:42.079,0:44:46.560
exactly know what’s going to happen next

0:44:44.400,0:44:48.400
i’m just assuming that i’m going to get

0:44:46.560,0:44:50.240
bands on and it’s just going to be

0:44:48.400,0:44:51.280
another monthly checkup besides getting

0:44:50.240,0:44:53.599
the bands

0:44:51.280,0:44:55.200
well i have to assume to a large extent

0:44:53.599,0:44:57.520
it’s situational

0:44:55.200,0:45:00.400
um you know your mouth is going to grow

0:44:57.520,0:45:02.800
at different rates they found earlier on

0:45:00.400,0:45:04.480
that your your jaw was growing faster

0:45:02.800,0:45:06.000
than they expected with the band so they

0:45:04.480,0:45:06.800
had to take the bands off sooner than

0:45:06.000,0:45:10.160
expected

0:45:06.800,0:45:12.720
yeah so i i imagine there’s probably

0:45:10.160,0:45:14.480
a cautionary message there that they

0:45:12.720,0:45:15.520
don’t want to look too far ahead until

0:45:14.480,0:45:18.560
they see how your

0:45:15.520,0:45:20.880
how the situation is developing so the

0:45:18.560,0:45:22.640
next immediate thing is is probably the

0:45:20.880,0:45:25.839
only thing that they can really tell you

0:45:22.640,0:45:26.240
yeah so phase three hopefully is going

0:45:25.839,0:45:27.680
to be

0:45:26.240,0:45:29.760
the last thing that we have to do

0:45:27.680,0:45:33.200
hopefully it won’t take too long

0:45:29.760,0:45:36.720
um are you excited to get them off

0:45:33.200,0:45:38.880
um it’d be nice because they’ve caused

0:45:36.720,0:45:42.079
me a lot of discomfort

0:45:38.880,0:45:43.040
and um but you know it would be nice to

0:45:42.079,0:45:45.680
have straight teeth

0:45:43.040,0:45:46.400
for once so what about socially you know

0:45:45.680,0:45:48.720
obviously

0:45:46.400,0:45:50.319
with covid and all that stuff you’re not

0:45:48.720,0:45:51.760
going into school you’re not seeing your

0:45:50.319,0:45:54.480
friends a lot but when you were

0:45:51.760,0:45:55.520
up until you know february march of this

0:45:54.480,0:45:57.440
year

0:45:55.520,0:45:58.839
you were going to school and everything

0:45:57.440,0:46:02.160
did you find

0:45:58.839,0:46:03.040
anybody made fun of you or picked on you

0:46:02.160,0:46:05.359
for braces

0:46:03.040,0:46:06.319
or made a big deal out of it or anything

0:46:05.359,0:46:09.680
like that

0:46:06.319,0:46:10.560
um not really of course there were the

0:46:09.680,0:46:12.720
people who

0:46:10.560,0:46:15.119
just didn’t like me in general but they

0:46:12.720,0:46:17.599
never really pointed out my braces

0:46:15.119,0:46:18.560
um none of my friends really pointed out

0:46:17.599,0:46:20.960
too much unless

0:46:18.560,0:46:22.720
like i was just in discomfort and they

0:46:20.960,0:46:25.280
noticed that i just wasn’t

0:46:22.720,0:46:27.040
acting the same so no one really ever

0:46:25.280,0:46:29.520
made fun of me for my braces

0:46:27.040,0:46:30.400
the people who were jerks to me just

0:46:29.520,0:46:33.359
would jerk

0:46:30.400,0:46:35.040
um the people who were not nice to me

0:46:33.359,0:46:37.280
were just not nice

0:46:35.040,0:46:40.240
so do you think the overall experience

0:46:37.280,0:46:41.839
itself was tolerable

0:46:40.240,0:46:43.359
would you go through it again if you had

0:46:41.839,0:46:47.200
a choice to go through it

0:46:43.359,0:46:51.119
uh probably not okay

0:46:47.200,0:46:52.640
um if i had the choice to go through it

0:46:51.119,0:46:54.400
um i mean it’s been a learning

0:46:52.640,0:46:57.280
experience definitely

0:46:54.400,0:46:58.560
and if anyone else is going through it i

0:46:57.280,0:47:01.839
could definitely give them

0:46:58.560,0:47:02.640
some advice on how to stop the pain and

0:47:01.839,0:47:05.200
any food

0:47:02.640,0:47:06.480
and how to successfully go through a

0:47:05.200,0:47:10.480
soft food diet

0:47:06.480,0:47:13.359
um but would i go through it again

0:47:10.480,0:47:15.119
pro if i had the choice to probably not

0:47:13.359,0:47:18.160
so what advice would you give

0:47:15.119,0:47:21.119
to a teen who’s

0:47:18.160,0:47:22.800
possibly facing getting braces well i

0:47:21.119,0:47:25.680
definitely say that taking

0:47:22.800,0:47:27.520
pain medicine would help it doesn’t

0:47:25.680,0:47:28.880
completely get rid of the pain but it

0:47:27.520,0:47:32.640
does help

0:47:28.880,0:47:37.200
um i’d also say that

0:47:32.640,0:47:40.559
if you’re having trouble talking try um

0:47:37.200,0:47:42.960
saying as singing or practice talking

0:47:40.559,0:47:44.240
so you can get more comfortable with it

0:47:42.960,0:47:46.240
um

0:47:44.240,0:47:47.359
if you’re having trouble with your soft

0:47:46.240,0:47:49.359
food diet

0:47:47.359,0:47:50.800
i’d recommend eating if you don’t want

0:47:49.359,0:47:52.720
to eat like

0:47:50.800,0:47:54.400
any of the other soft foods that i had

0:47:52.720,0:47:55.040
to go through with my first thing like

0:47:54.400,0:47:58.240
pudding

0:47:55.040,0:47:58.960
or yogurt i’d say try eating soft foods

0:47:58.240,0:48:02.640
that are

0:47:58.960,0:48:04.240
more normal like mashed potatoes and mac

0:48:02.640,0:48:05.839
and cheese because

0:48:04.240,0:48:07.760
i had actually gone through quick soft

0:48:05.839,0:48:11.040
food diet this time

0:48:07.760,0:48:14.720
and i mainly eat and i mainly ate um

0:48:11.040,0:48:17.599
mac and cheese mashed potatoes and

0:48:14.720,0:48:19.680
some other soft foods and i’d also break

0:48:17.599,0:48:21.520
um any normal food up if you wanted to

0:48:19.680,0:48:23.040
have the normal food because that also

0:48:21.520,0:48:24.240
works

0:48:23.040,0:48:26.400
when you say break it up what do you

0:48:24.240,0:48:28.240
mean like cut it up

0:48:26.400,0:48:30.000
make it into small pieces in order for

0:48:28.240,0:48:33.440
you to swallow it

0:48:30.000,0:48:36.640
um it’s not entirely difficult um

0:48:33.440,0:48:39.280
it just is slightly time consuming

0:48:36.640,0:48:41.119
um like if you want to eat a burger i’d

0:48:39.280,0:48:42.880
recommend cutting up the burger meat in

0:48:41.119,0:48:43.680
the small little pieces making ground

0:48:42.880,0:48:45.760
beef

0:48:43.680,0:48:47.920
that kind of thing so is there anything

0:48:45.760,0:48:51.359
that you would recommend

0:48:47.920,0:48:53.440
teens not do with braces

0:48:51.359,0:48:55.119
um i wouldn’t recommend them having any

0:48:53.440,0:48:58.880
of the um

0:48:55.119,0:49:00.800
any of the k of the sticky candies

0:48:58.880,0:49:02.880
and i definitely want them to be careful

0:49:00.800,0:49:05.280
with their braces because

0:49:02.880,0:49:07.359
um i definitely know that i’ve had a few

0:49:05.280,0:49:09.280
instances where like my wire could pop

0:49:07.359,0:49:11.040
out when i ate something so

0:49:09.280,0:49:12.960
i definitely recommend people to be much

0:49:11.040,0:49:14.880
more careful and

0:49:12.960,0:49:16.000
um i would say the water pig definitely

0:49:14.880,0:49:19.119
works very well for

0:49:16.000,0:49:21.040
anyone so if you don’t if you are having

0:49:19.119,0:49:22.640
a hard time flossing i’d recommend

0:49:21.040,0:49:24.559
getting the water pick or just get the

0:49:22.640,0:49:25.680
water pick in general and floss at the

0:49:24.559,0:49:28.839
same time

0:49:25.680,0:49:31.839
okay good advice we’ll be back in a

0:49:28.839,0:49:31.839
minute

0:49:35.040,0:49:38.960
so i think that was all we had today um

0:49:37.680,0:49:41.040
i think we covered pretty much

0:49:38.960,0:49:44.640
everything we wanted to talk about

0:49:41.040,0:49:46.800
uh not a terrible uh

0:49:44.640,0:49:48.240
experience for you but certainly a

0:49:46.800,0:49:52.160
trying one i think

0:49:48.240,0:49:56.800
yep um you’re almost through it

0:49:52.160,0:49:58.319
i think at the end uh you’re gonna have

0:49:56.800,0:50:00.000
straight teeth you’re going to have a

0:49:58.319,0:50:02.640
beautiful smile

0:50:00.000,0:50:04.960
and i think ultimately going you’ll

0:50:02.640,0:50:06.079
you’ll reflect back on this period later

0:50:04.960,0:50:09.040
in life

0:50:06.079,0:50:11.680
and realize that the struggle you went

0:50:09.040,0:50:14.079
through was probably worth it

0:50:11.680,0:50:15.920
so i think we kind of did your closing

0:50:14.079,0:50:18.720
remarks already i don’t think we need to

0:50:15.920,0:50:20.400
to delve into that but i would invite

0:50:18.720,0:50:23.040
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