Insights Into Teens: Episode 103 “Creativity: Movie Making”

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In this week’s episode we’ll take a look at the creative art of movie making. We’ll look at some of the benefits that teens gain from making movies.  From expanded vocabulary to stress relief and from learning other languages to improving overall creativity there are a number of benefits for teens when it comes to movie making.

Then we’ll talk to Madison about her early movie making efforts.  We’ll learn how she was when she first started making movies, what get her interested in movie making and some of her favorite movie making projects and what her process for movie making is.

Finally we’ll look at what the future of movie making might hold for Madison. We’ll talk about what tools she uses to make her movies, how her style of movies has changed, what she enjoys most about movie making and what possible career options might await her in her movie making career.

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[TRANSITION]

[SEGMENT 1] 

Why are movies good for teens?

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  • Most movies have a lesson. By seeing some many different situations on screen, kids and teens develop their critical thinking skills. They also stimulate their imagination and become more creative.
  • We all know that movies are one of the best forms of entertainment. However, it may surprise you to hear that there are real benefits of movies for kids and teens.
  • New films come out every year. Their main purpose is to entertain and make viewers have a good time. However, these stories also help kids and teens learn moral lessons about the world around them.
  • Expand vocabulary:
  • Children are very good at listening, they grasp everything fast. As they grow up, their vocabulary grows. Movies can help in that sense because they show situations that kids have probably never experienced. They’re more likely to hear new words and learn their meanings.
  • Usually, if kids don’t understand a word, they’ll ask their parents. This is a great opportunity to teach them. On the other hand, if they can read, encourage them to look up words in a dictionary. This way, not only will they learn the meaning, but also how to write it.
  • Relieve Stress:
  • Another benefit of movies on kids and teens has to do with their emotions. Movies can help combat stress and relieve anxiety and nerves.
  • Being in school,  it’s common for kids to experience these feelings. They often have various school responsibilities, tests and exams. By getting out of this routine, kids can clear their mind and have fun. Entertainment can help them unwind.
  • Learn other languages:
  • You can watch forgin films and films with other languages, which also show characters from other parts of the world. This can lead your children to become more interested in traveling and learning other languages.
  • Making kids and teens smarter and more creative:
  • By seeing these experiences on the screen, kids and teens can become more reflective. The benefits of movies are obvious when parents help their children face problems. It also helps when kids and teens have to draw conclusions for themselves and find solutions.
  • In addition, this helps them develop creativity, boost their ability to think, and stimulates their imagination.

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[SEGMENT 2]

Madison with Movie-Making

  • When did you first start making movies?
  • What got you into making movies in the first place?
  • What were some of your first videos?
  • How did you make movies when you first started out?
  • What kind of movies do you make?
  • Do the movies that you like to make reflect the movies you like to watch?
  • Describe for us your process of making movies?
    • Do you write a script?
    • Do you storyboard the movie before creating it?
  • What are some of the challenges you’ve faced making movies?

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[SEGMENT 3] 

Madison and the future of Movie Making

  • What apps do you use to make your movies now?
  • How have the tools you use to make movies changed since you started making movies?
  • How much has your movie-making style changed?
  • Do you want to make different types of movies, try different movie making styles?
  • Do you look into different movie making technologies?
  • What do you enjoy most about making movies?
  • Have you ever thought of making a career out of movie making?
  • What do you personally get out of making movies?
  • Do you think movie-making benefits teens? If so, how?

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welcome to insights into teens this is

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episode 103 another one in our

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creativity and last one on our

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creativity series for now this is about

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movie making i’m your host joseph whalen

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and my imaginative and astounding

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co-host

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madison whalen hi everyone how you doing

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today maddie i’m doing all right

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so how was your week this week it’s been

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interesting um

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school’s been school’s shorter now

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in fact i’m off on friday and thursday’s

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gonna be kind of interesting

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so we’ll see how it goes okay well

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nothing wrong with a short week

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uh i’m off on friday as well um

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mommy does have a half day so she’s half

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off

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so maybe we’ll we’ll be able to do

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something you know

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hang out or play games or something like

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that

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so today we’re going to be talking about

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movie making

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um so the first thing we’re going to do

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is we’re going to talk about we’re going

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to talk about

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why movie making is good for teens some

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of the benefits that we get from that

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and we’re going to talk about some of

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your movie making

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efforts so far and then we’ll finish up

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talking about what

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your future of movie making looks like

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and and where you might be going with

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those skills

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so this week’s uh research was done by

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shows us this week

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so i decided to look up why movies

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are good for teens and i found it on

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a website i accidentally mispronounced

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uh in our 100th podcast you

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are mom.com is where this information

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yes most movies have a lesson

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by seeing by seeing some

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by seeing so many different situations

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on screen

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kids and teens develop their critical

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thinking skills

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they also they also stimulate

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their imagination and they be

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can become more creative by movies we

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all know that movies are one of the best

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forms of entertainment

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however it may surprise you to hear that

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there are real benefits of movies for

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kids and teens

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new films come out every year their main

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purpose is to entertain and make viewers

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have a good time

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however these stories also help kids and

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teens learn moral lessons about the

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world around them

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so the first one we have is expanding

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their vocabulary

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children are very good at listening they

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grasp everything fast

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as they grow up their vocabulary grows

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movies can help in that sense

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because they show situations that kids

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have probably never experienced

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they’re more likely to hear new words

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and learn their meetings

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usually if kids don’t understand a word

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a word

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they’ll ask their parents this is a

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great opportunity to teach them

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on the other hand if they can read

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encourage them to look up words

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words in a dictionary this way not only

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will

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they learn the meaning but also how to

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write it

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it also relieves stress one of the

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things that we talk about a lot on this

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podcast since

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teens are constantly under some form of

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stress

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another benefit of movies on kids and

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teens

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has to do with their emotions movies can

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help combat

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stress and relieve anxiety and nerves

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being in school it’s common for kids to

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experience these feelings

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they often have various school

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responsibilities

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tests and exams by getting out of this

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routine

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kids can clear their mind and have fun

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entertainment can help them unwind

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another one of the benefits is learn

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other languages

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you can find you can watch foreign film

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films and films with other languages

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which

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also show characters from other parts of

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the world

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this can lead your children and become

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more interested in traveling and

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learning other languages

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making kids and teens smarter and more

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creative

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by seeing these experiences on the

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screen kids and teens can become more

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reflective

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the benefits of movies are obvious when

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parents help their children

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face problems it also helps when

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children and teens have to draw

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conclusions for themselves and find

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solutions

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in addition this helps them develop

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creativity

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boost their ability to think and

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stimulates their imagination

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so based on the experiences that you’ve

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had with movie making so far

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do you think you’ve experienced any of

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these benefits so far

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well i’d probably say that movies have

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helped me expand my vocabulary when i

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was younger

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and even now there are some words i

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learned that i kind of want to learn the

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meaning

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meaning to and i definitely say

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expanding my vocabulary was something

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that helped

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relieve stress yes movies were

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a big stress reliever for me honestly

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watching anything really tv shows

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youtube videos that kind of stuff

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it really does help relieve stress to

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just watch a cool

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to just watch a cool movie or a cold

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scenario happen

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uh learn other languages i did see other

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cultures express

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other cultures and different parts of

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the world expressed to me

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at movies but i didn’t necessarily learn

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um other languages but i can definitely

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see how

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other kids would have that experience

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but i personally i just haven’t had that

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and of course making kids and teens

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smart and more creative

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yeah i’m pretty sure movies

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had pretty much helped me become

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much more creative um now

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and i think any any outlet that allows

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you to express you

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your creativity is a good thing because

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any opportunity you have

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to exercise that creative freedom

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is you know the the brain is just like a

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muscle

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you know you have to exercise it for it

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to get stronger and

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and and to gain more knowledge and

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understanding

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and creativity is a huge exercise

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for teens the more creative you are and

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the more you can express that

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it touches on so many different assets

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that you have as a person that helps you

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to grow

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different skill sets it helps you to

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grow different

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thought patterns it allows you to look

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at problems differently it allows you to

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look at problems

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from the perspective of your

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audience and the perspective of the

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characters that you’re filming

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so right now most of the movie making

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that you do is an animated type of

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i’d say teen centric movie would that be

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accurate

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yeah probably and and i think that

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you going through some of the scenarios

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that you go through in the movie making

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that you do

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allows you to kind of put yourself in

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situations that

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you may not necessarily experience

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yourself

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but you may have exposure to from books

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or movies or television

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and in making the movies it allows you

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to put yourself in that experience

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and figure out how you would handle

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something like that

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so that alone i think it’s it’s

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definitely

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a learning experience for you

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but beyond that what else are you

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learning aside from these developmental

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things

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and let’s look at it from a technical

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standpoint

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you’re learning how to tell stories

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right

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you’re learning probably had a

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storyboard to a certain extent

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yeah you’re learning how to

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uh scene develop because you’re not just

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animating characters you’re building a

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scene and you’re putting them in that

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scene

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you’re learning uh wardrobe because your

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characters you have to dress your

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characters and

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and how they dress reflects the scene

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that they’re in and the mood that

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they’re in

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yep and you’re learning

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storytelling in general so there’s all

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other kind of technical aspects

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on top of learning the

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technical requirements for this so

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you’re doing graphical editing

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you’re doing the digital art

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you’re learning how to use the stop

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motion software that you’re working with

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you’re learning how to do audio editing

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so there’s there’s a lot of technical

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skills that go into this too

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and it’s interesting how i don’t know if

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we

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i’m assuming you did this on purpose the

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way you laid out these episodes so we

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started out with art

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right so we went from art to writing

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to movie making and that’s kind of the

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natural progression because you need all

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these other skills in order to do

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movie making right so what are some of

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the skills that we’ve talked about

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already

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explain how you apply the art and the

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writing to your movie-making

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efforts well for the art aspect

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like you said before with costume design

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and how the characters express their

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emotions

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i use that art aspect of my creativity

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to make the characters look like

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how i want them to look i’m able to

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not only know what their personalities

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are through the writing

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but also see what they look like through

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the art

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i’m able to give them different outfits

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that express

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that can express that i feel they would

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wear

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i’m able to see first hand what i feel

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as though they look like in real life

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and i’m able to design them um so that

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i and i’m able to design them for

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specific scenes

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um as for the writing that’s pretty much

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the entire story

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of it i am able to tell the story

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and show the characters personalities

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um through the writing and their actions

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i’m able to use

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narrative elements in order to

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make a a steadily flowing story

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so that

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it all blends together well i’m able to

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use character development to show how

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and characterization to describe my

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characters in that kind of sense

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and i’m able to express their emotions

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that way i can

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pinpoint what different scenes would

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look like and different actions of the

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characters to better express

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how i want them to be perceived so

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yeah both of them go hand in hand when i

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make

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movies yeah so your movie making is

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really just the culmination

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of all these other creative skills that

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we’ve been talking about the last few

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uh podcasts so let’s take a little break

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and and we’ll come back and we’ll talk

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about your movie making and

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how it started and how you learn how to

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do the things that you did and we’ll get

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a little bit more

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background on that

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welcome back to insights into teens

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today we’re talking movie making in our

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creativity series

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and uh we’re gonna ask madison a few

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questions about

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some of the movie making techniques and

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uh

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efforts that you’ve made so far so

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the first question i have is when did

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you first start

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making movies how old were you do you

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remember your earlier efforts

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oh wow um

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i will know i was old enough when

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i know i was i know i was older than

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nine

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i was i’m guessing at least maybe 10 or

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11 or

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most likely 10. i do have

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i do remember that when i did make

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movies i

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had um i of course

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i mainly just recorded them on my phone

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so

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yeah uh i’d say around 10 years old

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okay that’s when i first made them what

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was what was the first thing that got

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you

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into making movies was it something that

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you had watched was it

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a story was it just you know you felt

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that you had so much

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that you wanted to put out there that

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you had to make a movie about it

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so i was into lps and there was this one

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what’s lps littlest pet shops there are

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little toys that

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are pets and there was this one

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um channel i had seen on youtube where

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it was kind of like a dare channel but

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with lps

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and it was with this one character and

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basically

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like he would do dares in each of the

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videos

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and i found it hilarious and i kind of

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wanted to do something similar

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okay so what were some of the first

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videos

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that you did that are some of your

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favorite videos

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oh goodness um so i kind of wanted to

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make my own versions but i didn’t

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actually have the lps character that was

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used

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so i had first done it with this one

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purple dog i named douglas um and

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i had done like some weird

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dares with him but i don’t actually have

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the videos because i was on one of my

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older phones before

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um i’d gotten some of my recent ones

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but when i did uh but the late

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but the last video i have on my phone

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now is

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when i had actually gotten the one

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character um

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and i was able to make those videos

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it was kind of i will say they

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the first like when i watched the very

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the first video i ever had

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i will admit it was not the best

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but it also wasn’t the worst it actually

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had some

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decent elements about it there was one

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moment that was actually pretty nice and

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heartfelt that

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and actually showed some really good

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storytelling

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um and there was also one legitimate

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moment where i just

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laughed out loud because the one scene

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was just so hilarious

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of course there were also some annoying

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characters in there that

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i could have done without but overall

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although it was it

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although it was a cringy video to get

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through

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i have a lot of nostalgia for it and i

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can’t help but

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say that it wasn’t all bad okay

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so walk us through how you would make

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those those early videos was it

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something where you were

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uh doing stop motion animation frame by

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frame

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were you just sort of manipulating

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the characters and doing voiceovers how

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sophisticated

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were the techniques at the time at the

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time not very sophisticated i’ll be

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honest

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i had props and other characters i’d use

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in the videos

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um but overall i’d mainly just film them

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with my phone on my bed move the

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characters with my hand

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and try to imitate sounds and voices

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and stuff like that without really good

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audio

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which is why i have to kind of turn up

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the volume because my voice was so quiet

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back then

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okay so the videos that you were making

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in in this at this early stage what kind

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of videos were they were they

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comedies were they because i know you

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were you were into the unboxing stuff

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for a while there

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um were these scripted things or was

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this really just you

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taking video of you playing with the the

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various

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toys well yeah the very early stuff i

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tried mainly was

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comedy uh when i got into the unboxing

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stuff i kind of just

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it was just unboxing i just unboxed

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stuff and

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showed my reaction that was pretty much

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it there were other times where i didn’t

0:20:05.760,0:20:10.080
actually have like

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episodes in the series and it was just

0:20:10.080,0:20:14.640
like

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showing off you just using the toys i

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never actually scripted anything

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i i think like

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there was probably only one time where i

0:20:22.880,0:20:26.960
might have had a script

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uh and even then it’s kind of stretching

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it um

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because i really never scripted my stuff

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and i kind of just had my natural

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reaction with no script whatsoever

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okay that kind of makes sense and at

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that age you know i mean you’re 10 11

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years old

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i wasn’t expecting it to be all that

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sophisticated you were kind of really

0:20:45.120,0:20:52.320
just learning how to express

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your creativity in in movies

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but the movies that you like to make

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back then

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did they reflect what you were watching

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more than

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sort of everyday life um

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like i said before the very first videos

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i made were inspired by this one youtube

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channel so

0:21:12.799,0:21:17.280
yeah i guess it would have something to

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do with that unboxings were obviously

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unboxing videos

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others i kind of made up on out of the

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blue but yeah i would say

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that back then um a lot of that

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kind of still reflected like my writing

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and

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my art that kind of still reflected how

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what i saw

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so yeah i’d say so all right well let’s

0:21:37.440,0:21:40.240
talk about how you’re making your movies

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now

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what kind of movies are you doing at

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this point in time i’m

0:21:43.600,0:21:49.520
assuming you’ve stepped up the uh

0:21:47.039,0:21:51.280
storytelling and the technical abilities

0:21:49.520,0:21:52.960
quite a bit since then could you kind of

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describe the type of movies that you’re

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making now

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sure so i’m no longer doing live-action

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stuff i realized i don’t actually have

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like

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we did get some stuff so that i could

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use it for live action

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but i kind of stopped with that i did

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decide

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um that i was going to make a movie

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um and i started using um an app i’ve

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mentioned before

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gasha life and gosh the club now um i’ve

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been using those to make the movies so

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far

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um and the store and

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this time i’m actually trying trying to

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use a script

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i’ve been writing scripts for different

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episodes i have

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different series planned um and i have

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all the characters laid out

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and i know and i know what i want to do

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with them i’m trying to plan it

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a bit more and i definitely say i’m a

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lot more sophisticated than back then

0:22:47.919,0:22:51.360
okay so when you go about writing a

0:22:50.000,0:22:54.240
script at this point in time

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point in time are you writing it just

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for the dialogue

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or are you writing it like a

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uh like a screenplay where you’re doing

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scene descriptions and art direction and

0:23:04.159,0:23:08.240
stuff like that is that all included in

0:23:06.080,0:23:09.520
here so that you know what to do

0:23:08.240,0:23:12.000
when you get to the point that you’re

0:23:09.520,0:23:14.640
going to film something well i do

0:23:12.000,0:23:16.480
have um some liberties i do have

0:23:14.640,0:23:19.360
different stage directions

0:23:16.480,0:23:20.320
and i do sometimes describe the scene

0:23:19.360,0:23:23.120
other times

0:23:20.320,0:23:23.840
i really don’t and i are and like when i

0:23:23.120,0:23:27.039
go back

0:23:23.840,0:23:29.600
and make and take the screenshots for it

0:23:27.039,0:23:30.720
i already know what i i can kind of plan

0:23:29.600,0:23:33.039
it out myself

0:23:30.720,0:23:34.400
the script is kind of like a base

0:23:33.039,0:23:38.000
outline if you will

0:23:34.400,0:23:40.400
okay how about overall story planning do

0:23:38.000,0:23:43.600
you storyboard your scenes out do you

0:23:40.400,0:23:46.799
outline the screenplay what do you do to

0:23:43.600,0:23:49.120
to plan from you know shot one to the

0:23:46.799,0:23:50.000
last shot in the series there to know

0:23:49.120,0:23:52.480
what you want to do

0:23:50.000,0:23:54.799
when you want to do it and so forth well

0:23:52.480,0:23:57.760
i split it up into different scenes

0:23:54.799,0:24:00.000
i have the scenes marked different

0:23:57.760,0:24:03.440
scenes marked on my

0:24:00.000,0:24:04.320
script and i know that and to pace

0:24:03.440,0:24:08.640
myself

0:24:04.320,0:24:11.440
i edit one part of this uh one scene

0:24:08.640,0:24:11.919
and then once i’m done fill once i’m

0:24:11.440,0:24:15.520
done

0:24:11.919,0:24:16.720
take uh taking um the photos for the

0:24:15.520,0:24:19.679
next one

0:24:16.720,0:24:21.520
then i um work on that and it’s and then

0:24:19.679,0:24:22.720
eventually by the end i’m gonna put it

0:24:21.520,0:24:26.880
all together

0:24:22.720,0:24:26.880
so is what you’re doing now more

0:24:27.200,0:24:34.320
stop action are you doing hand animation

0:24:31.039,0:24:35.200
is the software itself doing any kind of

0:24:34.320,0:24:38.799
tweening or

0:24:35.200,0:24:41.840
or any kind of auto animation for you or

0:24:38.799,0:24:42.559
are you manually manipulating each of

0:24:41.840,0:24:44.320
these and

0:24:42.559,0:24:45.760
taking a shot and then streaming these

0:24:44.320,0:24:48.320
shots together

0:24:45.760,0:24:50.159
i have i have to take screenshots of the

0:24:48.320,0:24:52.400
characters because

0:24:50.159,0:24:53.600
i don’t and like sometimes i do work

0:24:52.400,0:24:56.320
with animation

0:24:53.600,0:24:56.640
but by using different poses and kind of

0:24:56.320,0:24:59.679
you

0:24:56.640,0:25:01.679
and kind of putting um the

0:24:59.679,0:25:03.840
pictures together to make it look like

0:25:01.679,0:25:05.279
stop motion so sometimes i do that kind

0:25:03.840,0:25:07.200
of animation

0:25:05.279,0:25:08.480
uh but most of the time a lot of it’s

0:25:07.200,0:25:11.760
just i take a screen

0:25:08.480,0:25:14.400
i take a few screenshots then i go into

0:25:11.760,0:25:16.640
my software and i us

0:25:14.400,0:25:18.640
and i make them shorter or longer

0:25:16.640,0:25:19.760
depending on how long a scene i want it

0:25:18.640,0:25:21.279
to be

0:25:19.760,0:25:23.360
so when you go about creating your

0:25:21.279,0:25:26.559
scenes now are you

0:25:23.360,0:25:28.240
building the scene elements through uh

0:25:26.559,0:25:29.120
like a graphic out of there or are you

0:25:28.240,0:25:32.960
building them

0:25:29.120,0:25:34.400
inside the the gosha app itself

0:25:32.960,0:25:36.400
along with the characters or the

0:25:34.400,0:25:38.880
characters hand drawn by you

0:25:36.400,0:25:40.000
i’m building the scenes specifically in

0:25:38.880,0:25:42.640
gosha but there are

0:25:40.000,0:25:44.000
some times where i’m gonna i kind of

0:25:42.640,0:25:47.600
need to draw something

0:25:44.000,0:25:49.440
so then i go into uh where i do my

0:25:47.600,0:25:51.440
digital art and then i draw

0:25:49.440,0:25:52.960
and then i draw out that scene take a

0:25:51.440,0:25:56.000
screenshot of it and add it

0:25:52.960,0:25:59.440
into uh the editing software so

0:25:56.000,0:25:59.840
that i can add that um but most of the

0:25:59.440,0:26:02.400
time

0:25:59.840,0:26:03.360
it’s really just i do everything through

0:26:02.400,0:26:06.400
gosha

0:26:03.360,0:26:07.039
take the photos and transport them over

0:26:06.400,0:26:09.360
to

0:26:07.039,0:26:10.400
um the software editor but there are

0:26:09.360,0:26:13.120
sometimes

0:26:10.400,0:26:14.400
especially with animation that i have to

0:26:13.120,0:26:17.760
kind of

0:26:14.400,0:26:20.159
um put a green screen back

0:26:17.760,0:26:22.240
on the characters and have them walk

0:26:20.159,0:26:24.480
across the screen which i can’t exactly

0:26:22.240,0:26:26.480
do in gosha very well

0:26:24.480,0:26:27.919
um so yeah there are some things that i

0:26:26.480,0:26:30.960
do in gosha

0:26:27.919,0:26:34.320
and some things i do outside of it okay

0:26:30.960,0:26:37.440
what about reusing elements do you build

0:26:34.320,0:26:39.760
um a character’s bedroom for instance

0:26:37.440,0:26:41.120
and then can you reuse that bedroom or

0:26:39.760,0:26:43.120
do you have to rebuild it

0:26:41.120,0:26:44.720
every time in the in the software in

0:26:43.120,0:26:46.720
order to

0:26:44.720,0:26:48.960
create a scene from that well the

0:26:46.720,0:26:50.720
software has various backgrounds that

0:26:48.960,0:26:52.559
you’re able to use and a lot of times i

0:26:50.720,0:26:54.559
kind of reuse some of the backgrounds

0:26:52.559,0:26:56.640
but i do try to change them up a bit

0:26:54.559,0:26:58.720
i have the ability to add objects and

0:26:56.640,0:27:00.240
pads and stuff like that so i can change

0:26:58.720,0:27:03.120
the bedrooms

0:27:00.240,0:27:04.720
how so i can change the rooms in order

0:27:03.120,0:27:07.840
to make it look a little

0:27:04.720,0:27:10.400
to make it look different um

0:27:07.840,0:27:11.200
so yeah and sometimes there are going to

0:27:10.400,0:27:14.159
and

0:27:11.200,0:27:15.039
sometimes i do take there is a

0:27:14.159,0:27:18.080
background where

0:27:15.039,0:27:19.760
i don’t actually have it in the game but

0:27:18.080,0:27:21.360
i can go to

0:27:19.760,0:27:23.520
i can probably look up the if the

0:27:21.360,0:27:26.080
background um

0:27:23.520,0:27:28.080
on google take a screenshot of that and

0:27:26.080,0:27:30.159
use that while using green screen for

0:27:28.080,0:27:33.679
the characters

0:27:30.159,0:27:36.480
so when you build these scenes

0:27:33.679,0:27:38.720
and you animate them so you’re building

0:27:36.480,0:27:41.760
a slide by slide

0:27:38.720,0:27:43.679
representation of the scene itself you

0:27:41.760,0:27:44.799
then export these and then you bring

0:27:43.679,0:27:46.960
them into

0:27:44.799,0:27:48.720
what software at that point in time to

0:27:46.960,0:27:51.120
actually make the movie

0:27:48.720,0:27:52.159
um the software i use is called

0:27:51.120,0:27:54.240
kinemaster

0:27:52.159,0:27:56.640
i’m pretty sure a lot of people who are

0:27:54.240,0:27:59.679
doing this kind of thing use it

0:27:56.640,0:28:03.120
um and it’s a decent editing software

0:27:59.679,0:28:03.440
um and i’m able to do a lot of stuff

0:28:03.120,0:28:07.919
with

0:28:03.440,0:28:10.960
it so i transport all my images

0:28:07.919,0:28:13.200
through um kinemaster right now

0:28:10.960,0:28:14.880
and i am debating on whether i want to

0:28:13.200,0:28:15.679
keep going with it or maybe do something

0:28:14.880,0:28:18.000
different

0:28:15.679,0:28:19.919
and typically how long are the movies

0:28:18.000,0:28:22.240
that you’re making right now

0:28:19.919,0:28:23.760
they’re not really that long um most of

0:28:22.240,0:28:26.960
the scenes only last

0:28:23.760,0:28:29.360
about one or two minutes tops

0:28:26.960,0:28:30.799
um because i have to sort another uh

0:28:29.360,0:28:33.919
images down

0:28:30.799,0:28:34.640
um and i have added some of them

0:28:33.919,0:28:37.360
together

0:28:34.640,0:28:37.840
and they only really last about maybe

0:28:37.360,0:28:41.200
half an

0:28:37.840,0:28:43.840
hour um so i’m guessing that’s

0:28:41.200,0:28:44.559
um i call them mini movies because

0:28:43.840,0:28:47.760
they’re

0:28:44.559,0:28:51.200
mini movies basically um

0:28:47.760,0:28:54.240
so they’re not typically that long

0:28:51.200,0:28:55.440
so for a half hour worth of movie how

0:28:54.240,0:28:58.640
long does it typically

0:28:55.440,0:29:02.159
take you in creation time

0:28:58.640,0:29:04.720
to make a half hour long movie i can’t

0:29:02.159,0:29:05.360
exactly say because i’m still not there

0:29:04.720,0:29:08.480
yet

0:29:05.360,0:29:08.960
it’s taken a lot of months only to get

0:29:08.480,0:29:12.000
like

0:29:08.960,0:29:14.240
maybe 16 minutes of film honestly

0:29:12.000,0:29:16.640
the one scene i’m still working on

0:29:14.240,0:29:19.679
includes a lot of editing

0:29:16.640,0:29:22.360
something i’m not really too used to

0:29:19.679,0:29:24.720
um and it’s honestly i’ve been

0:29:22.360,0:29:25.520
procrastinating on it for a little while

0:29:24.720,0:29:28.799
now

0:29:25.520,0:29:31.919
um it was pretty easy the first time

0:29:28.799,0:29:34.799
but now i have to get into scenes where

0:29:31.919,0:29:39.039
there’s going to be a lot more editing

0:29:34.799,0:29:40.000
so yeah it it it’s really it takes a

0:29:39.039,0:29:43.200
really long time

0:29:40.000,0:29:45.440
for me to just make a 30 minute film

0:29:43.200,0:29:47.440
so what are some of the challenges

0:29:45.440,0:29:48.880
obviously editing being one of them but

0:29:47.440,0:29:50.799
how what are some of the challenges that

0:29:48.880,0:29:52.640
you run into

0:29:50.799,0:29:54.159
in making the kinds of movies that you

0:29:52.640,0:29:57.360
make a lot of it

0:29:54.159,0:30:00.480
is probably motivation um

0:29:57.360,0:30:03.360
because sometimes i need the motivation

0:30:00.480,0:30:06.399
to work on it and a lot of times

0:30:03.360,0:30:09.440
um i don’t have that motivation i’ve

0:30:06.399,0:30:11.360
maybe had a long day or i just

0:30:09.440,0:30:12.559
feel as though i’m not going to be able

0:30:11.360,0:30:14.559
to move on

0:30:12.559,0:30:15.600
on with the scene and that’s actually

0:30:14.559,0:30:19.039
happened a

0:30:15.600,0:30:20.960
couple times throughout this and

0:30:19.039,0:30:22.960
it’s been one of the biggest challenges

0:30:20.960,0:30:26.480
like sometimes i feel as though

0:30:22.960,0:30:26.880
um i don’t like sometimes i feel as

0:30:26.480,0:30:30.320
though

0:30:26.880,0:30:31.279
me like i don’t exactly know how to make

0:30:30.320,0:30:34.159
the scene

0:30:31.279,0:30:36.000
and other times it’s just i don’t really

0:30:34.159,0:30:39.039
feel like it

0:30:36.000,0:30:39.919
so yeah it’s kind of like writer’s block

0:30:39.039,0:30:43.200
if you will

0:30:39.919,0:30:45.600
with it um a lot of

0:30:43.200,0:30:46.880
i i still want to try and gain a bit

0:30:45.600,0:30:49.279
more motivation

0:30:46.880,0:30:50.159
i’ve normally always picked myself up

0:30:49.279,0:30:53.760
unfortunately i

0:30:50.159,0:30:54.559
am in i’m i am still in one of those

0:30:53.760,0:30:58.000
states

0:30:54.559,0:30:58.480
but i am trying to do better yeah and i

0:30:58.000,0:31:00.880
can

0:30:58.480,0:31:02.000
sort of sympathize with that because you

0:31:00.880,0:31:04.880
know shooting the

0:31:02.000,0:31:05.760
the podcast we do usually at least two a

0:31:04.880,0:31:06.960
week

0:31:05.760,0:31:09.279
uh there’s a good deal of

0:31:06.960,0:31:12.000
post-production that goes into it

0:31:09.279,0:31:13.519
mostly the audio side the video side is

0:31:12.000,0:31:16.720
pretty much

0:31:13.519,0:31:19.840
taken for stock but the advantage that i

0:31:16.720,0:31:22.559
have in doing the podcast is that

0:31:19.840,0:31:24.399
most of what we do that would be

0:31:22.559,0:31:28.240
post-processing is done

0:31:24.399,0:31:30.480
in line you know we do our intros our

0:31:28.240,0:31:31.279
our commercials our transitions all that

0:31:30.480,0:31:34.640
stuff is done

0:31:31.279,0:31:37.360
in line and doesn’t require editing

0:31:34.640,0:31:38.000
um but the editing itself is really me

0:31:37.360,0:31:40.399
going back

0:31:38.000,0:31:42.399
in after the fact and cleaning up the

0:31:40.399,0:31:45.519
audio getting rid of

0:31:42.399,0:31:47.440
background noise and and sort of

0:31:45.519,0:31:49.840
uh polishing it up and running it

0:31:47.440,0:31:52.080
through a post processor before i

0:31:49.840,0:31:53.760
re-render the entire video for for

0:31:52.080,0:31:57.039
production release

0:31:53.760,0:31:57.519
but you figure we do roughly an hour or

0:31:57.039,0:32:00.320
so

0:31:57.519,0:32:00.880
you know 45 minutes to an hour and it

0:32:00.320,0:32:02.240
probably

0:32:00.880,0:32:04.240
takes me at least an hour in

0:32:02.240,0:32:04.799
post-production to clean up everyone so

0:32:04.240,0:32:07.840
it’s

0:32:04.799,0:32:08.640
it’s almost a one-to-one ratio but

0:32:07.840,0:32:10.640
that’s

0:32:08.640,0:32:13.519
the technology doing most of it for me

0:32:10.640,0:32:16.799
doing a stop-motion animation

0:32:13.519,0:32:19.519
is agonizingly long

0:32:16.799,0:32:22.080
yeah like my biggest problem like the

0:32:19.519,0:32:25.840
biggest thing i’ve learned from this

0:32:22.080,0:32:30.559
is just making a character run takes so

0:32:25.840,0:32:32.240
many screenshots it’s insane

0:32:30.559,0:32:35.200
yeah i mean if you figure if you do it

0:32:32.240,0:32:39.120
at standard film rate which is 24

0:32:35.200,0:32:42.159
frames per second you need to create

0:32:39.120,0:32:44.640
24 images for every second of

0:32:42.159,0:32:46.080
film that you want to put out there to

0:32:44.640,0:32:49.279
be viewed

0:32:46.080,0:32:51.360
and you need to make sure that

0:32:49.279,0:32:53.840
everything is the same you need to make

0:32:51.360,0:32:56.320
sure that your animation is fluid

0:32:53.840,0:32:57.519
and in line it can’t be jerky it can’t

0:32:56.320,0:32:59.919
be jumpy

0:32:57.519,0:33:01.039
if you’re running at a steady space a

0:32:59.919,0:33:03.200
steady pace

0:33:01.039,0:33:04.399
you have to make sure that the per the

0:33:03.200,0:33:06.480
the

0:33:04.399,0:33:09.120
figure that’s doing the running is

0:33:06.480,0:33:10.480
moving exactly at the same distance

0:33:09.120,0:33:12.320
you need to make sure that whatever’s

0:33:10.480,0:33:13.679
going on in the background is animating

0:33:12.320,0:33:16.799
correctly it’s a lot

0:33:13.679,0:33:19.039
of work to do animation yeah

0:33:16.799,0:33:20.880
and like this isn’t even drawing it

0:33:19.039,0:33:24.559
imagine having to draw

0:33:20.880,0:33:28.240
every single scene

0:33:24.559,0:33:31.120
and having to draw 24 scenes

0:33:28.240,0:33:32.880
per second of film well and that’s why

0:33:31.120,0:33:36.000
if you look at the big animation

0:33:32.880,0:33:38.000
firms like you know disney you know

0:33:36.000,0:33:39.360
disney has their master artist they do

0:33:38.000,0:33:41.840
the key frames and they

0:33:39.360,0:33:42.399
then they have you know junior artists

0:33:41.840,0:33:44.080
come in

0:33:42.399,0:33:46.799
who are the tweeners and they do

0:33:44.080,0:33:49.919
everything in between the keyframes

0:33:46.799,0:33:53.600
you know so you may be um an

0:33:49.919,0:33:54.880
artist that does uh a keyframe every

0:33:53.600,0:33:56.559
four frames

0:33:54.880,0:33:59.279
and then somebody else comes in and

0:33:56.559,0:34:00.880
draws the three frames in between

0:33:59.279,0:34:02.799
and then you don’t even color it then it

0:34:00.880,0:34:03.440
goes off to someone else and they color

0:34:02.799,0:34:06.720
it

0:34:03.440,0:34:08.800
and then somebody else will do the

0:34:06.720,0:34:10.240
voiceover recording and then that has to

0:34:08.800,0:34:12.159
be dubbed in and

0:34:10.240,0:34:13.919
you know there’s because we haven’t even

0:34:12.159,0:34:16.159
delved into doing

0:34:13.919,0:34:19.119
audio with yours yet you’re using dialog

0:34:16.159,0:34:21.839
boxes right now for your animation right

0:34:19.119,0:34:23.040
so there’s a lot more that would go into

0:34:21.839,0:34:27.280
a post-production

0:34:23.040,0:34:29.679
to have a finalized uh film there so

0:34:27.280,0:34:30.560
it’s it’s a lot you know it’s it’s a big

0:34:29.679,0:34:33.520
undertaking

0:34:30.560,0:34:34.000
and it’s a big production and uh you

0:34:33.520,0:34:37.119
know i think

0:34:34.000,0:34:39.040
you’re you’re progressing through that

0:34:37.119,0:34:40.480
and the experience that you have at this

0:34:39.040,0:34:42.240
point i think is giving you that

0:34:40.480,0:34:45.200
appreciation

0:34:42.240,0:34:46.560
when you do watch films so we’re going

0:34:45.200,0:34:47.919
to take another quick break we’re going

0:34:46.560,0:34:50.159
to come back and we’re going to talk

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welcome back to insights into teens this

0:36:05.680,0:36:10.480
is episode 103

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we’re talking movie making so the future

0:36:10.480,0:36:14.240
of movie making so right

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now you’re using a couple of

0:36:14.240,0:36:18.720
applications that

0:36:15.440,0:36:19.440
are exclusively on your ipad is that

0:36:18.720,0:36:22.560
correct

0:36:19.440,0:36:26.079
yep and how capable

0:36:22.560,0:36:27.040
are they moving forward um i’d say

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they’re

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pretty fine um i’m still debating

0:36:30.480,0:36:34.640
um i’m deciding whether i should

0:36:33.119,0:36:36.960
continue moving on with

0:36:34.640,0:36:38.079
kinemaster the main editing software for

0:36:36.960,0:36:41.040
my movies

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and if i should be doing something else

0:36:41.040,0:36:43.440
um but right now it’s been going all

0:36:42.960,0:36:46.400
right

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um and that’s basically the main thing

0:36:46.400,0:36:50.560
i’ve been using

0:36:47.359,0:36:53.119
so i guess we’ll see how it goes

0:36:50.560,0:36:55.760
so you know the reason i ask is there’s

0:36:53.119,0:36:59.040
a number of

0:36:55.760,0:37:01.520
more powerful movie making applications

0:36:59.040,0:37:03.280
out there if you move it up to you know

0:37:01.520,0:37:05.839
putting it on your laptop or running it

0:37:03.280,0:37:08.320
on a desktop pc

0:37:05.839,0:37:10.400
i think you’ll find that the options

0:37:08.320,0:37:12.240
that you have are significantly more

0:37:10.400,0:37:14.880
than what you get on

0:37:12.240,0:37:15.760
just the the tablet itself just from the

0:37:14.880,0:37:19.040
the

0:37:15.760,0:37:19.599
processing power itself but i did want

0:37:19.040,0:37:22.079
to ask

0:37:19.599,0:37:22.640
how are the tools that you use to make

0:37:22.079,0:37:24.800
movies

0:37:22.640,0:37:26.000
change since you first started making

0:37:24.800,0:37:28.880
movies have they gotten

0:37:26.000,0:37:29.200
easier more powerful more options what

0:37:28.880,0:37:31.599
what

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would you say are the major changes well

0:37:31.599,0:37:35.520
like i said when i first started making

0:37:33.440,0:37:36.320
movies i really just recorded them on my

0:37:35.520,0:37:39.839
camera

0:37:36.320,0:37:43.040
um on my phone so

0:37:39.839,0:37:46.560
after that when i finally got into more

0:37:43.040,0:37:48.240
advanced movie making i started using

0:37:46.560,0:37:51.760
more movie making so

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well there was when my my stop-motion

0:37:51.760,0:37:55.599
period where we

0:37:53.359,0:37:57.119
you had gotten me a stop-motion app that

0:37:55.599,0:37:59.920
i was able to

0:37:57.119,0:38:00.640
fully use stop-motion instead of moving

0:37:59.920,0:38:04.000
the

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instead of just filming live

0:38:04.000,0:38:07.200
um and that kind of started my

0:38:05.520,0:38:10.160
stop-motion phase

0:38:07.200,0:38:11.599
um after that phase i went into the

0:38:10.160,0:38:15.200
movie making phrase i have

0:38:11.599,0:38:18.240
now um now that i’m using kind master i

0:38:15.200,0:38:20.320
have a lot more options for film it’s a

0:38:18.240,0:38:21.200
lot more sophisticated than when i first

0:38:20.320,0:38:23.119
started out

0:38:21.200,0:38:25.520
and it’s definitely more powerful than

0:38:23.119,0:38:28.240
when i first started out so

0:38:25.520,0:38:29.280
so how has your movie making style

0:38:28.240,0:38:32.800
changed

0:38:29.280,0:38:34.720
since your early days have you become

0:38:32.800,0:38:36.560
more organized

0:38:34.720,0:38:39.200
has it just been an increase in

0:38:36.560,0:38:41.280
sophistication as the tools improved

0:38:39.200,0:38:43.200
what are some of the major changes major

0:38:41.280,0:38:44.079
differences from your early movie making

0:38:43.200,0:38:46.640
to what you do

0:38:44.079,0:38:47.839
now well with the early movie making i

0:38:46.640,0:38:50.480
really wasn’t so

0:38:47.839,0:38:53.040
concerned about the story it was mainly

0:38:50.480,0:38:56.000
just trying to make something comical

0:38:53.040,0:38:56.720
and just a comical little series and and

0:38:56.000,0:38:59.839
a lot of it

0:38:56.720,0:39:00.640
was centered around my lps toys then i

0:38:59.839,0:39:03.599
went into

0:39:00.640,0:39:04.560
unboxing because it was what i saw and

0:39:03.599,0:39:08.640
kind of thought it was

0:39:04.560,0:39:11.359
cool um and

0:39:08.640,0:39:13.920
then when i went in my stop-motion phase

0:39:11.359,0:39:16.079
i still use the lps but try to do it in

0:39:13.920,0:39:18.079
a more sophisticated manner

0:39:16.079,0:39:19.839
um and that’s kind of when i did

0:39:18.079,0:39:21.760
storytelling but i still didn’t have a

0:39:19.839,0:39:23.839
script and it kind of just came to me

0:39:21.760,0:39:27.359
out of the blue

0:39:23.839,0:39:30.400
and now i write down a full-on script

0:39:27.359,0:39:34.480
i make the chara i

0:39:30.400,0:39:37.119
make the characters in gosha club um

0:39:34.480,0:39:39.440
put the scenes together take screenshots

0:39:37.119,0:39:43.040
of the scenes put them together

0:39:39.440,0:39:46.400
edit them and make a movie okay

0:39:43.040,0:39:48.640
so moving forward uh assuming

0:39:46.400,0:39:50.400
we eventually someday in the not too

0:39:48.640,0:39:52.320
distant future

0:39:50.400,0:39:55.119
move past the whole pandemic and

0:39:52.320,0:39:56.640
quarantine and all that stuff

0:39:55.119,0:39:58.240
what do you think you want to do would

0:39:56.640,0:40:00.640
you be interested in in

0:39:58.240,0:40:01.680
trying different styles of movie making

0:40:00.640,0:40:03.920
like would you want to do

0:40:01.680,0:40:06.319
live action and get your friends

0:40:03.920,0:40:08.000
involved and doing live action scenes

0:40:06.319,0:40:10.240
and stuff like that

0:40:08.000,0:40:11.359
um do you want to move into different

0:40:10.240,0:40:13.760
genres and

0:40:11.359,0:40:15.119
and kind of you know what’s the next

0:40:13.760,0:40:17.359
step for you what’s that

0:40:15.119,0:40:18.880
what’s that next progression in movie

0:40:17.359,0:40:22.800
making for you

0:40:18.880,0:40:26.560
well for me if i am able to again

0:40:22.800,0:40:29.440
i do kind of want to um

0:40:26.560,0:40:31.359
turn my characters into slightly more

0:40:29.440,0:40:34.640
live-action versions

0:40:31.359,0:40:36.160
maybe not like not like a real movie

0:40:34.640,0:40:38.880
with special effects

0:40:36.160,0:40:40.560
costumes and stuff like that but maybe

0:40:38.880,0:40:41.200
just play out the scenes with some of my

0:40:40.560,0:40:43.680
friends

0:40:41.200,0:40:44.960
and maybe even with you guys to see how

0:40:43.680,0:40:46.720
that works

0:40:44.960,0:40:49.280
that sounds kind of cool i’d be

0:40:46.720,0:40:53.520
interested in doing that

0:40:49.280,0:40:54.480
um so have you looked or do you continue

0:40:53.520,0:40:57.520
to look at

0:40:54.480,0:41:00.720
different movie making technologies

0:40:57.520,0:41:03.359
uh cameras software

0:41:00.720,0:41:04.400
uh any editing techniques anything like

0:41:03.359,0:41:06.400
that have you

0:41:04.400,0:41:08.319
are you do you keep up on that sort of

0:41:06.400,0:41:10.560
thing to find out what the next best

0:41:08.319,0:41:13.359
thing is to help you make your movies

0:41:10.560,0:41:15.599
well i haven’t really been doing too

0:41:13.359,0:41:17.280
much research on it but i do feel as

0:41:15.599,0:41:18.800
though i want to learn a bit more about

0:41:17.280,0:41:22.480
it especially coming

0:41:18.800,0:41:24.480
from you um you do a lot of editing now

0:41:22.480,0:41:28.640
especially with the podcast and

0:41:24.480,0:41:30.160
you have a tendency of making movies so

0:41:28.640,0:41:32.319
i might want to learn a bit more from

0:41:30.160,0:41:35.839
you see how i can translate my

0:41:32.319,0:41:38.720
what i know into what you know so

0:41:35.839,0:41:40.880
yeah i might try different editing

0:41:38.720,0:41:43.119
software techniques and learn from you

0:41:40.880,0:41:44.640
okay sounds good i’ll be happy to teach

0:41:43.119,0:41:46.640
you

0:41:44.640,0:41:47.760
what do you enjoy about making movie

0:41:46.640,0:41:50.079
making i’m assuming

0:41:47.760,0:41:51.839
you know you’re not you’re not it’s not

0:41:50.079,0:41:53.760
a lucrative venture for you you’re not

0:41:51.839,0:41:55.040
making it and selling the rights or

0:41:53.760,0:41:57.520
anything like that so you’re not doing

0:41:55.040,0:42:00.160
it for money so it has to be for

0:41:57.520,0:42:02.079
the enjoyment or the the joy and the

0:42:00.160,0:42:02.640
learning experience what do you get out

0:42:02.079,0:42:05.680
of

0:42:02.640,0:42:09.119
making movies oh

0:42:05.680,0:42:12.880
um a lot of it uh some of it

0:42:09.119,0:42:15.280
is the satisfaction of knowing that

0:42:12.880,0:42:16.000
i figuring out that i really created

0:42:15.280,0:42:18.800
something that i

0:42:16.000,0:42:20.079
felt would change people’s lives or

0:42:18.800,0:42:22.640
something like that

0:42:20.079,0:42:23.119
um i really just enjoy making stories

0:42:22.640,0:42:24.960
and

0:42:23.119,0:42:26.640
turning them into a completely different

0:42:24.960,0:42:30.240
medium along with

0:42:26.640,0:42:32.480
art is really nice for me and gives me a

0:42:30.240,0:42:35.119
bunch of satisfaction for that

0:42:32.480,0:42:37.119
but it’s also the fact that i tried them

0:42:35.119,0:42:39.920
that if i ever do show it to

0:42:37.119,0:42:41.760
a true audience i kind of want my

0:42:39.920,0:42:44.079
characters to be relatable

0:42:41.760,0:42:46.480
and go and kind of go through the

0:42:44.079,0:42:50.000
scenarios that i went through when i

0:42:46.480,0:42:54.079
as i’m growing up um which is why i

0:42:50.000,0:42:57.119
like to put characters as teens because

0:42:54.079,0:42:59.200
i have to be honest a lot of times teens

0:42:57.119,0:43:00.960
and kids i feel like teens and kids

0:42:59.200,0:43:03.920
aren’t entirely expressed

0:43:00.960,0:43:04.880
super well in the media so i kind of

0:43:03.920,0:43:08.800
wanted

0:43:04.880,0:43:10.720
as a fellow teen and especially as a

0:43:08.800,0:43:12.720
pre-teen when i was

0:43:10.720,0:43:14.000
i kind of want to show that to people

0:43:12.720,0:43:15.520
like as a preteen

0:43:14.000,0:43:17.839
i had no ideas what some of the

0:43:15.520,0:43:20.160
struggles would be like the

0:43:17.839,0:43:20.960
like i mentioned earlier before the

0:43:20.160,0:43:24.800
struggles

0:43:20.960,0:43:26.240
of having the having just having to find

0:43:24.800,0:43:28.000
clothes between

0:43:26.240,0:43:29.520
the grown up section and the kids

0:43:28.000,0:43:31.440
section so

0:43:29.520,0:43:34.079
i kind of want to show those struggles

0:43:31.440,0:43:37.440
in a real in relatable characters

0:43:34.079,0:43:40.400
throughout a story so you’ve identified

0:43:37.440,0:43:41.440
an under representative section of the

0:43:40.400,0:43:45.000
population

0:43:41.440,0:43:48.079
in movies do you think that also is a

0:43:45.000,0:43:49.920
representation of an audience that would

0:43:48.079,0:43:52.240
be interested in seeing something like

0:43:49.920,0:43:54.640
that like would you want to watch

0:43:52.240,0:43:56.160
films about those types of things if

0:43:54.640,0:44:00.319
they were available

0:43:56.160,0:44:02.720
more than likely um i

0:44:00.319,0:44:03.520
i want to have kind of have a mix of

0:44:02.720,0:44:07.599
fantasy

0:44:03.520,0:44:10.960
but also reality um i’m a big fantasy

0:44:07.599,0:44:14.000
and fantasy fan and if

0:44:10.960,0:44:16.640
and i i like sci-fi stuff

0:44:14.000,0:44:18.480
and i’m sure plenty of other teens like

0:44:16.640,0:44:22.400
me also do

0:44:18.480,0:44:24.319
um and i actually wouldn’t mind having

0:44:22.400,0:44:27.440
characters who i can relate to

0:44:24.319,0:44:30.480
more like in a lot of films it’s

0:44:27.440,0:44:33.119
usually much older characters or older

0:44:30.480,0:44:35.119
teens that i can’t exactly identify with

0:44:33.119,0:44:39.760
because i’m not that old

0:44:35.119,0:44:42.640
um and the teens that are expressed are

0:44:39.760,0:44:45.040
like shown to be typical stereotypes

0:44:42.640,0:44:47.839
like the one who likes video games

0:44:45.040,0:44:48.720
the one who’s super edgy and totally

0:44:47.839,0:44:52.079
rebels

0:44:48.720,0:44:54.480
and the hip cool one

0:44:52.079,0:44:56.000
honestly i just want a kid to be

0:44:54.480,0:44:58.480
represented

0:44:56.000,0:44:59.359
normally i don’t want the kid i don’t

0:44:58.480,0:45:00.960
want teens

0:44:59.359,0:45:03.040
i don’t want people to think that all

0:45:00.960,0:45:06.400
teens hate school i don’t

0:45:03.040,0:45:09.839
i don’t mind school at all

0:45:06.400,0:45:11.760
and i want the proper struggles of teens

0:45:09.839,0:45:14.960
to be represented well

0:45:11.760,0:45:16.880
as well as relatable as relatable

0:45:14.960,0:45:17.760
moments that i’ve experienced to be

0:45:16.880,0:45:19.680
shown

0:45:17.760,0:45:21.920
and of course i want more preteens to be

0:45:19.680,0:45:23.119
shown because i really didn’t see much

0:45:21.920,0:45:25.040
of that

0:45:23.119,0:45:26.319
it’s a very good point you know there’s

0:45:25.040,0:45:29.599
a lot of story

0:45:26.319,0:45:32.960
out there that’s that’s real

0:45:29.599,0:45:35.599
you know it’s it’s it’s reality and

0:45:32.960,0:45:37.599
that’s very rarely reflected in the

0:45:35.599,0:45:40.079
media

0:45:37.599,0:45:42.319
that’s largely why we do this podcast

0:45:40.079,0:45:44.480
you know i could sit here and i could

0:45:42.319,0:45:46.000
spout off all the research that i find

0:45:44.480,0:45:49.839
online and do it all by

0:45:46.000,0:45:52.000
myself but without having you here

0:45:49.839,0:45:54.720
and without having a teenage perspective

0:45:52.000,0:45:57.599
here to actually talk about these things

0:45:54.720,0:45:59.200
it’s meaningless so by having a teen

0:45:57.599,0:46:02.240
make movies

0:45:59.200,0:46:04.079
about teens for teens i think is

0:46:02.240,0:46:07.040
is fairly significant and i think

0:46:04.079,0:46:09.520
there’s a there’s an audience out there

0:46:07.040,0:46:12.839
that can relate to it that that probably

0:46:09.520,0:46:16.000
wants to see that just like you do

0:46:12.839,0:46:17.839
so inevitably these types of discussions

0:46:16.000,0:46:18.720
when we talk about these things has to

0:46:17.839,0:46:22.560
talk

0:46:18.720,0:46:24.079
about the future and about careers

0:46:22.560,0:46:26.000
you know what do you want to be when you

0:46:24.079,0:46:28.800
grow up i’ve asked you this but the last

0:46:26.000,0:46:31.359
two podcasts that we’ve done so have you

0:46:28.800,0:46:34.400
ever thought about making a career

0:46:31.359,0:46:35.280
out of movie making and if so what would

0:46:34.400,0:46:38.560
be

0:46:35.280,0:46:41.359
your ideal role do you want to write

0:46:38.560,0:46:43.440
direct act film do you want to be a

0:46:41.359,0:46:45.280
director of photography

0:46:43.440,0:46:46.800
do you want to be a set designer what

0:46:45.280,0:46:48.960
would your

0:46:46.800,0:46:50.400
if you could pick any role in the movie

0:46:48.960,0:46:52.560
making business

0:46:50.400,0:46:54.640
what would you pick more than likely

0:46:52.560,0:46:56.560
writing i don’t feel as though acting

0:46:54.640,0:46:59.920
would really work for me

0:46:56.560,0:47:02.560
set design i mean could be cool but i

0:46:59.920,0:47:04.720
don’t feel is what i’d want to do

0:47:02.560,0:47:05.760
i definitely think the writing portion

0:47:04.720,0:47:08.560
would probably

0:47:05.760,0:47:10.400
be the part i’d want to work on because

0:47:08.560,0:47:13.200
i want to make quality writing

0:47:10.400,0:47:13.680
i want to make stories that can relate

0:47:13.200,0:47:16.880
to

0:47:13.680,0:47:18.720
audiences that aren’t very sho that

0:47:16.880,0:47:22.319
aren’t shown very well

0:47:18.720,0:47:24.559
in the media um so that i can act

0:47:22.319,0:47:25.680
so that i can use that storytelling in

0:47:24.559,0:47:28.960
order to make

0:47:25.680,0:47:29.760
movies that teens like me could relate

0:47:28.960,0:47:32.800
to

0:47:29.760,0:47:34.800
okay i could definitely see that

0:47:32.800,0:47:36.640
and the last question that i had before

0:47:34.800,0:47:39.920
we uh get your closing

0:47:36.640,0:47:42.160
uh thoughts and shoutouts

0:47:39.920,0:47:44.160
is do you think personally the

0:47:42.160,0:47:47.359
experience that you had

0:47:44.160,0:47:49.839
if you could if someone else

0:47:47.359,0:47:51.760
your age could go through it do you

0:47:49.839,0:47:52.800
think that they would benefit from the

0:47:51.760,0:47:54.480
experience

0:47:52.800,0:47:57.599
other than just the sheer enjoyment is

0:47:54.480,0:48:00.079
there is there a quantitative benefit to

0:47:57.599,0:48:03.280
movie making for teens

0:48:00.079,0:48:05.520
yes there is um it’s

0:48:03.280,0:48:07.119
it has a lot to do with the technical

0:48:05.520,0:48:10.800
aspect but also

0:48:07.119,0:48:13.040
and of course the enjoyment but

0:48:10.800,0:48:14.319
teens get a lot could get a lot more

0:48:13.040,0:48:16.720
from moviemaking

0:48:14.319,0:48:19.280
they can find out passions they might

0:48:16.720,0:48:20.960
have never really experienced before

0:48:19.280,0:48:23.200
they can come up with situations they’ve

0:48:20.960,0:48:24.000
never experienced before but find a way

0:48:23.200,0:48:26.400
to

0:48:24.000,0:48:28.800
make it relatable to them they can find

0:48:26.400,0:48:32.000
ways of expressing themselves more

0:48:28.800,0:48:32.880
than and find ways to identify

0:48:32.000,0:48:37.119
themselves

0:48:32.880,0:48:41.040
so there’s a lot more benefits that that

0:48:37.119,0:48:43.520
that people just skim the surface and

0:48:41.040,0:48:45.280
people don’t normally look deeper into

0:48:43.520,0:48:47.680
that’s a very good answer very well

0:48:45.280,0:48:49.200
thought out well-rounded answer

0:48:47.680,0:48:50.400
we’re going to take a quick break and

0:48:49.200,0:48:51.920
we’re going to come back and get your

0:48:50.400,0:48:54.560
closing thoughts

0:48:51.920,0:48:59.520
and shout outs if you haven’t

0:48:54.560,0:49:02.559
[Music]

0:48:59.520,0:49:05.040
go for your closing remarks okay so to

0:49:02.559,0:49:07.760
any teen out there who is hoping

0:49:05.040,0:49:09.040
or deciding that hey i want to make some

0:49:07.760,0:49:11.280
type of movie

0:49:09.040,0:49:14.559
go for it you don’t have to have an

0:49:11.280,0:49:16.319
amazing software you don’t have to

0:49:14.559,0:49:18.160
have a script for it it doesn’t even

0:49:16.319,0:49:20.960
have to be that much planned

0:49:18.160,0:49:22.559
if you just want if you just want to do

0:49:20.960,0:49:25.440
do it how i started out

0:49:22.559,0:49:27.440
just make a video on your own then do it

0:49:25.440,0:49:29.200
you don’t have to get too sophisticated

0:49:27.440,0:49:31.280
if you don’t want to but if you do have

0:49:29.200,0:49:33.680
that passion for it go for it

0:49:31.280,0:49:34.319
you can get plenty of benefits with even

0:49:33.680,0:49:36.079
the least

0:49:34.319,0:49:38.559
the least sophisticated and the most

0:49:36.079,0:49:40.720
sophisticated way of making movies

0:49:38.559,0:49:42.319
okay very good i think that’s great

0:49:40.720,0:49:46.160
advice for everybody out there

0:49:42.319,0:49:48.400
get out there and make movies have fun

0:49:46.160,0:49:49.359
so while movie making is a combination

0:49:48.400,0:49:52.480
of the last two

0:49:49.359,0:49:54.160
creative podcasts that we we did we do

0:49:52.480,0:49:56.480
have another podcast that’s going to be

0:49:54.160,0:49:58.800
coming up that’s going to deal

0:49:56.480,0:50:00.000
kind of with all of these things

0:49:58.800,0:50:03.040
together

0:50:00.000,0:50:05.440
so we’re uh we’re doing we have a d

0:50:03.040,0:50:06.800
d group that all the hosts of the show

0:50:05.440,0:50:08.960
do right now

0:50:06.800,0:50:09.920
um and we’ll be starting hopefully this

0:50:08.960,0:50:13.760
weekend uh

0:50:09.920,0:50:17.040
a new campaign that i’ll be dming

0:50:13.760,0:50:20.720
and what it really allows us to do

0:50:17.040,0:50:23.280
is exercise our writing ability for

0:50:20.720,0:50:24.640
character backstories and you know for

0:50:23.280,0:50:29.359
the dm side putting the

0:50:24.640,0:50:32.319
the campaign together it allows us to

0:50:29.359,0:50:32.640
do artwork because you did a poster for

0:50:32.319,0:50:34.559
us

0:50:32.640,0:50:36.559
for the which we’ll show on the on the

0:50:34.559,0:50:39.920
podcast

0:50:36.559,0:50:42.880
and it allows us to do directing because

0:50:39.920,0:50:44.800
we have we’re playing characters in this

0:50:42.880,0:50:45.920
and we kind of have to make our

0:50:44.800,0:50:48.960
characters do

0:50:45.920,0:50:51.280
be true to what the character is

0:50:48.960,0:50:52.400
and then on top of that the the next

0:50:51.280,0:50:54.720
skill that we

0:50:52.400,0:50:55.839
exercise is our acting skills i don’t

0:50:54.720,0:50:58.240
know

0:50:55.839,0:51:00.240
how deep into it you want to get but you

0:50:58.240,0:51:02.800
can also you can always do

0:51:00.240,0:51:04.160
an accent or you know slip into that

0:51:02.800,0:51:07.680
character and

0:51:04.160,0:51:10.880
and play that character as true to

0:51:07.680,0:51:12.160
their backstory as possible so that’ll

0:51:10.880,0:51:13.599
be coming up i don’t know if it’ll be

0:51:12.160,0:51:14.640
next week i think we’re going to wait

0:51:13.599,0:51:17.920
until at least we get

0:51:14.640,0:51:20.079
one session in the new uh campaign under

0:51:17.920,0:51:23.119
our belt before we do that one but uh

0:51:20.079,0:51:25.680
that’s something to look forward to

0:51:23.119,0:51:26.559
but anyway before we go i do want to

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once again

0:51:26.559,0:51:30.559
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