Insights Into Teens: Episode 100 “Fun and Games with Dan”

This week we mark our 100th episode with a special guest. Dan Wirth joins us virtually to discuss fun and games and the important role they play in the lives of teens. We’ll discuss the finer points of what makes a good game, why challenges in games help us to build character and learn how to interact with others. We’ll also talk about how games and play an educational role with their subject matter.

We’ll also talk about collecting and the benefits that having a passion for building and curating a collection. We’ll learn how it helps teens to learn focus, manage their money and learn responsibility that will benefit them later in life.

Show Notes

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  • Summary:

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    Introduction

    • Tell us a little bit about your background in gaming and collecting
    • Would you describe yourself as a collector or a dealer of classic toys
    • How long did you own a gaming/toy store
    • Do you still sell toys
    • What is your go to game at a party where the participants might not be big on gaming
    • How many games would you estimate you currently own
    • What do you find to be the most important thing that games offer to individuals
    • What do you find to be the most important thing that collecting offers to individuals
    • What do you enjoy most about sharing a new game with people
    • Have you ever done reviews for games
    • Have you ever graded toys professionally
    • Do you go to game and toy shows? If so what is the choice show for collectors to go to in the area

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    Importance of Teens and Gaming and the Importance of Family Game Time

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    • Games are key to the personal development of youth during adolescence and offer a number of benefits. 
      • Playing games allows young people to learn and have fun. 
      • Games can also be used as a means of distraction and personal growth. 
      • The most popular games for teens are those that provide challenges to the mind. Some examples are: 
        • strategy games
          • Puzzle games like tetris, candy crush, tsum tsum
        • board games
          • Monopoly, Clue, The Game of LIfe
        • word games
          • Scattergories, scrabble, words with friends, boggle
      • Games are truly a privileged tool that allows for the development of a positive attitude that can accompany teens for the rest of their lives. 
      • Playing games combines pleasure, participation, creativity and experience
      • Quick Questions:
        • Would you agree that there are loads of benefits to teens from games?
        • Do you believe that the games teens want are the ones that give them a challenge?
        • What other types of games do you think challenge the mind of a teen?
        • Do you think games can serve as a means of learning for teens?
        • Do you think it’s possible to play too many games as a teen?
        • Do you think teens get the same benefits out of video games as they do from more traditional table top style games
        • Do you think there are any disadvantages from teens playing games?
        • Do you think individual game play or group game play is more beneficial to teens?
        • Are there other benefits teens can benefit from when playing games?

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    [SEGMENT 3 – 10-15 mins] 

    Deep dive with Dan

    • How old were you when you started to get into gaming and collecting
    • What games were popular when you were a teen
    • Did he ever play any bizarre games
    • Was there are particular theme of gaming or game type that you were interested in
    • Do you play any modern games now
    • What makes a good game
    • Have you ever made your own game
    • Are there any games you think are underrated
    • What is your gaming preference as far as game type (card games, board games, team based games, dice games, tabletop miniatures, role playing, etc.)
    • What inspired you to start collecting
    • How many collectibles do you estimate you have
    • Do you just collect, or do you sell/trade your items
    • Do you have any high value items
    • What was the biggest win of a collectible you’ve managed to acquire
    • What type of collectibles do you prefer

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    episode 100

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    fun and games with dan i’m your host

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    joseph whalen

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    and my strong and confident co-host

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    hi everyone how you doing today maddie

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    i’m doing all right

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    so we’re going a little off schedule

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    today’s a tuesday we’re recording on

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    because we have a special guest with us

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    today let me introduce our special guest

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    today discussing fun and games with us

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    is dan worth how are you doing today dan

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    i’m doing very well thank you thanks for

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    having me on the show thank you for

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    joining us

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    so dan is uh is a resident expert

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    on games um every time we think of

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    anything that has to do with fun and

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    games toys collectibles board games card

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    games

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    dan’s our man to go to so we’re gonna be

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    asking dan some questions about gaming

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    we have uh

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    some statistics some information on how

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    games affect

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    teens we’ll be talking about that and

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    then we’re going to be doing a

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    deep dive with uh dan and some of his

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    experience

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    and just get his general input on gaming

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    so bef you know before we get too deep

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    into things let’s let’s

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    introduce dan again and and let’s find

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    out a little bit more about dan

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    and what is some of his expertise why

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    don’t you why don’t you take that

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    okay so tell us a bit about your

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    background in gaming

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    and collecting sure

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    i have been actively collecting

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    something

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    since the early 70s um i started with

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    comic books

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    um picked up board games uh in the

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    1980s and action figures along the way

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    um pretty much just uh all pop culture

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    sci-fi monsters um

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    tv movie related stuff uh and then

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    it’s just such a wealth of

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    just a great time for board games in

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    general right now because there’s so

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    much

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    out there to choose from and it’s a

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    great subject for you guys to be talking

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    about tonight

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    okay all righty uh would you describe

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    yourself as a collector or a dealer of

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    classic toys

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    right now i would say it’s much more of

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    a collector

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    um some of that is by choice some of it

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    is by

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    you know the situation with the kovid uh

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    restrictions that are on us right now

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    it’s very difficult to try to do

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    a lot of the events that we would

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    normally do like comic cons

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    toy shows antique shows things like that

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    we did own a store in bethlehem

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    for about six years that was a toy and

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    collectible shop

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    and that was a you know just a few years

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    ago

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    but right now the environment does not

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    lend itself as easily

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    to um have people walk in or even do the

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    conventions as much so i am much more of

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    a collector right now

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    just picking up things that i think are

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    going to be of interest to the group

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    that i game with

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    alrighty that kind of leads well into

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    our second question

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    so how long did you own your gaming

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    slash toy store

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    it was about six years we had a really

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    good run in downtown

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    bethlehem pennsylvania we had a variety

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    of

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    collectibles from comic books to

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    um action figures board games

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    of course certain card games like magic

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    and pokemon

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    and you know some of the uh mainstream

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    stuff that you’ll see and

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    we tried to really pick some obscure

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    things as well that we would pick up at

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    you know major toy shows like the new

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    york toy show that’s

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    at the javits center and just odds and

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    ends that we would find in our travels

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    so dang you mentioned uh comics at the

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    store are you

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    a comic aficionado or a comic collector

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    what’s your affiliation with comics

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    i would say that is primarily where my

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    heart lies joe

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    uh my collection started with marvel

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    um specifically with spider-man um i

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    started with

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    uh spider-man number 96

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    in 1971 back in the olden days

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    yes they did have comic books back then

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    um

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    and it was that first comic book that

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    led me to get all the rest of those

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    and a lot of the other major marvel

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    comics um so i would consider myself

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    primarily a comic book collector

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    but as it’s turned out and as we’ll talk

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    about

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    um it’s hard to ignore the fact that

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    i’ve got

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    a very large collection of board games

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    so i have to ask you on the subject of

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    comics are you

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    just marvel are you dc are you indie

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    where where do you usually lie in that

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    in that realm

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    uh my loyalties have gotten much broader

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    over the years uh i am not afraid to

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    expand into some of the dc comics uh

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    i also love a lot of independent comics

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    and have loved a lot of independent

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    comics over the years

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    um we we have those folks to thank for

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    the teenage

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    ninja mutant turtles we have them to

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    thank for the walking dead

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    um the boys um a lot of the stuff that’s

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    out there right now that is so popular

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    um is a result of independence

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    and that’s it’s a huge faction in the

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    comic book world

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    yeah i agree 100 there what’s our next

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    question

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    um our next question was do you still

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    sell toys

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    i do it’s more of an online sales

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    technique that we use you know we do

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    some ebay

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    we still sell some things through our

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    facebook page

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    for the underground layer uh but right

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    now i’m much more of a collector than a

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    seller

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    all right so picture this scenario so

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    picture the scenario where

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    so what is your go-to game at a party

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    where the participants might not be

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    it big on gaming

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    that’s a great question because you know

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    you’re you’re going to have a wide

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    variety of people at things like that

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    and you want to get something that’s

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    going to

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    appeal to everyone i like things like

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    apples to apples that’s a great general

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    easy board game to to you know teach

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    people i know it’s basically cards but

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    uh i think we have to really expand the

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    way that we’re thinking about this

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    category to include some of that stuff

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    um and you can’t mention apples to

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    apples without the adult version of also

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    cards against humanity which has just

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    become so huge

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    of a product over the last couple of

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    years and immensely popular

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    and has really gotten people who

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    wouldn’t normally do gaming nights to do

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    some gaming nights

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    uh when we would go to

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    uh the various uh toy shows that would

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    introduce us to new games

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    some of the companies that we found that

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    really grabbed us were

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    uh companies like calliope who is

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    responsible for

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    role for it which is a great party game

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    you can play it up to five people

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    it’s a dice rolling game where you’re

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    trying to win cards

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    the other one that they did that we

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    really love is sorrow and sorrow of the

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    seas

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    which was a very creative take on a

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    board game where

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    you are sailing on ships creating paths

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    for yourself

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    but also trying to cut off your

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    opponents and be the last man standing

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    on the board

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    um another one that’s great for parties

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    and that we have found over the years

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    really helps people break the ice is a

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    game called

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    outburst um that’s by um

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    it’s a a nice shout out game where

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    people don’t have to be shy about it you

    0:10:11.440,0:10:14.720
    know you’re trying to come up with

    0:10:12.480,0:10:16.240
    answers as fast as you can

    0:10:14.720,0:10:18.399
    there’s another one that just came out

    0:10:16.240,0:10:19.760
    recently called code names which is of

    0:10:18.399,0:10:23.519
    the same flavor

    0:10:19.760,0:10:25.200
    um by a company called cge and that’s

    0:10:23.519,0:10:26.560
    gotten a lot of popularity and there’s a

    0:10:25.200,0:10:28.079
    lot of different versions of that one

    0:10:26.560,0:10:30.839
    out there as well

    0:10:28.079,0:10:32.079
    great that’s a that’s a lot of great

    0:10:30.839,0:10:35.120
    suggestions

    0:10:32.079,0:10:37.120
    um next is a pretty big question

    0:10:35.120,0:10:39.839
    how many games would you estimate you

    0:10:37.120,0:10:42.399
    currently own

    0:10:39.839,0:10:43.920
    uh this was an eye-opening question for

    0:10:42.399,0:10:46.959
    me

    0:10:43.920,0:10:48.720
    because i don’t think i realized how

    0:10:46.959,0:10:51.920
    many games i had

    0:10:48.720,0:10:55.519
    but just in the house right now uh

    0:10:51.920,0:10:58.320
    we have close to 100 so i would say

    0:10:55.519,0:10:59.279
    easily we have over 200 different kinds

    0:10:58.320,0:11:02.560
    of board games

    0:10:59.279,0:11:05.600
    i am not counting uh the card games

    0:11:02.560,0:11:07.279
    in that so or or just the strict dice

    0:11:05.600,0:11:09.680
    games like yahtzee

    0:11:07.279,0:11:11.360
    and uh you know magic the gathering and

    0:11:09.680,0:11:13.360
    some of the other stuff like that that

    0:11:11.360,0:11:15.200
    is a whole another category we’re not

    0:11:13.360,0:11:15.920
    going to count the role-playing games as

    0:11:15.200,0:11:19.200
    well like d

    0:11:15.920,0:11:19.200
    and d or

    0:11:21.440,0:11:24.800
    again another totally different category

    0:11:24.399,0:11:26.720
    and

    0:11:24.800,0:11:30.160
    and that would be why dan’s on this show

    0:11:26.720,0:11:30.160
    because dan is the expert

    0:11:32.000,0:11:36.959
    what else do we have okay next one is

    0:11:35.200,0:11:40.800
    what do you find to be the most

    0:11:36.959,0:11:40.800
    important thing that games offer to

    0:11:40.839,0:11:45.440
    individuals

    0:11:42.240,0:11:45.920
    one of the great things about board

    0:11:45.440,0:11:48.800
    games

    0:11:45.920,0:11:50.720
    is that it brings people together has

    0:11:48.800,0:11:54.480
    them sitting in close proximity

    0:11:50.720,0:11:55.440
    and exchanging looks and smiles and

    0:11:54.480,0:11:56.880
    jokes

    0:11:55.440,0:11:58.399
    and that’s been one of the great things

    0:11:56.880,0:11:59.360
    that my friends and i have shared over

    0:11:58.399,0:12:02.000
    the years with

    0:11:59.360,0:12:03.120
    sitting around playing a board game is

    0:12:02.000,0:12:05.680
    as

    0:12:03.120,0:12:06.320
    much as it might be competitive you’re

    0:12:05.680,0:12:10.160
    also

    0:12:06.320,0:12:12.320
    laughing and joking and talking uh it’s

    0:12:10.160,0:12:16.079
    a great way to just have a nice

    0:12:12.320,0:12:17.440
    uh camaraderie and have people come

    0:12:16.079,0:12:19.360
    together over

    0:12:17.440,0:12:22.320
    you know something that’s a neutral

    0:12:19.360,0:12:25.600
    ground and you enjoy doing

    0:12:22.320,0:12:27.600
    yeah that makes sense um

    0:12:25.600,0:12:29.360
    now to kind of go along with that

    0:12:27.600,0:12:31.120
    question what do you find is the most

    0:12:29.360,0:12:34.079
    important thing that collecting offers

    0:12:31.120,0:12:34.079
    to individuals

    0:12:35.440,0:12:41.600
    i find that both from myself

    0:12:39.360,0:12:42.800
    and to all my friends who collect and

    0:12:41.600,0:12:44.240
    the people that used to come into the

    0:12:42.800,0:12:47.200
    underground lair

    0:12:44.240,0:12:49.120
    um there’s always that feeling of taking

    0:12:47.200,0:12:51.040
    you back to your childhood to taking you

    0:12:49.120,0:12:53.519
    to fond memories

    0:12:51.040,0:12:54.959
    and and just you know warming your heart

    0:12:53.519,0:12:56.480
    when you see some of these things that

    0:12:54.959,0:12:59.440
    you grew up with

    0:12:56.480,0:13:01.760
    uh and it’s right there in your hands

    0:12:59.440,0:13:04.959
    again and it and it really

    0:13:01.760,0:13:06.160
    sparks a lot of memories and as well as

    0:13:04.959,0:13:08.320
    some people will say

    0:13:06.160,0:13:11.360
    you know the collecting aspect of it can

    0:13:08.320,0:13:14.240
    be monetarily beneficial

    0:13:11.360,0:13:14.800
    um you can make a lot of money with you

    0:13:14.240,0:13:16.880
    know

    0:13:14.800,0:13:17.839
    buying older board games or rare board

    0:13:16.880,0:13:21.360
    games

    0:13:17.839,0:13:24.639
    um i find much more often that

    0:13:21.360,0:13:26.160
    it’s that sense of nostalgia

    0:13:24.639,0:13:27.600
    more than anything else that brings

    0:13:26.160,0:13:28.800
    people back to some of those classic

    0:13:27.600,0:13:30.880
    board games

    0:13:28.800,0:13:33.040
    and i i have to agree with you 100 there

    0:13:30.880,0:13:35.839
    every time i stepped in the store

    0:13:33.040,0:13:37.360
    uh it it i was a kid again stepping in

    0:13:35.839,0:13:38.880
    you know it was let’s look around let’s

    0:13:37.360,0:13:42.000
    see what i can find here

    0:13:38.880,0:13:44.880
    that that brings me back

    0:13:42.000,0:13:46.399
    all those years and and for me from a

    0:13:44.880,0:13:49.519
    collecting standpoint it’s

    0:13:46.399,0:13:51.360
    it’s almost it’s the hunt that’s so

    0:13:49.519,0:13:53.519
    rewarding like i know there’s a piece

    0:13:51.360,0:13:55.360
    that i want you know i’m a as you know a

    0:13:53.519,0:13:57.199
    big star wars collector

    0:13:55.360,0:13:58.880
    and when there’s a piece that i find you

    0:13:57.199,0:14:02.720
    know we had gone to uh

    0:13:58.880,0:14:04.560
    the one uh show out in uh

    0:14:02.720,0:14:06.000
    i wasn’t out in bucks out where the the

    0:14:04.560,0:14:09.120
    um

    0:14:06.000,0:14:12.560
    the fuse is huge yeah yeah

    0:14:09.120,0:14:14.959
    and there was a um a piece

    0:14:12.560,0:14:16.160
    uh from the 90s it was it was a darth

    0:14:14.959,0:14:19.279
    vader statue

    0:14:16.160,0:14:21.040
    that i had been looking for for years

    0:14:19.279,0:14:22.720
    and i hadn’t found it anywhere had been

    0:14:21.040,0:14:23.360
    on the market anywhere can’t find it on

    0:14:22.720,0:14:24.800
    the internet

    0:14:23.360,0:14:27.519
    nothing i mean when you can’t find it on

    0:14:24.800,0:14:30.480
    ebay you know you’re in trouble

    0:14:27.519,0:14:31.920
    and lo and behold it was their top of

    0:14:30.480,0:14:34.079
    the pile on display

    0:14:31.920,0:14:35.760
    in the back corner and i found it and

    0:14:34.079,0:14:37.360
    instantly bought it because that was the

    0:14:35.760,0:14:38.800
    piece that i’ve been looking for for so

    0:14:37.360,0:14:42.160
    long

    0:14:38.800,0:14:44.399
    so and it was so you have to think that

    0:14:42.160,0:14:46.959
    that’s that feeling that indiana jones

    0:14:44.399,0:14:50.560
    has every time he finds a relic

    0:14:46.959,0:14:52.079
    because the joy of that moment of

    0:14:50.560,0:14:54.480
    finding that rare thing

    0:14:52.079,0:14:55.279
    out in the wild is there there’s nothing

    0:14:54.480,0:14:57.360
    quite like it

    0:14:55.279,0:14:58.720
    so madison also i would say it’s a

    0:14:57.360,0:15:01.440
    thrill of the hunt

    0:14:58.720,0:15:03.279
    like uh your dad is saying it’s it’s

    0:15:01.440,0:15:06.639
    that adventure and i

    0:15:03.279,0:15:09.279
    for many years had my own

    0:15:06.639,0:15:11.040
    versions of belloc when i was out at

    0:15:09.279,0:15:12.000
    flea markets and yard sales and we would

    0:15:11.040,0:15:13.920
    run into each other

    0:15:12.000,0:15:15.760
    and we would just show off what we had

    0:15:13.920,0:15:17.680
    found and like oh

    0:15:15.760,0:15:19.920
    once again we see that what you once

    0:15:17.680,0:15:22.959
    possessed is now

    0:15:19.920,0:15:24.000
    well there’s that aspect too but um it’s

    0:15:22.959,0:15:27.600
    it’s just fun

    0:15:24.000,0:15:29.680
    and and good-hearted uh ribbing um

    0:15:27.600,0:15:31.680
    but man it is exciting when you can find

    0:15:29.680,0:15:33.519
    that one rare thing

    0:15:31.680,0:15:35.600
    that you’ve been looking for for so long

    0:15:33.519,0:15:38.079
    and and we all certainly have them

    0:15:35.600,0:15:41.440
    yep yeah well maybe not you yet madison

    0:15:38.079,0:15:43.519
    but you will

    0:15:41.440,0:15:45.839
    what else do we have sweetie so the next

    0:15:43.519,0:15:49.279
    question is what do you enjoy most about

    0:15:45.839,0:15:49.279
    sharing a new game with people

    0:15:50.480,0:15:53.759
    i love the expressions on people’s faces

    0:15:53.120,0:15:56.560
    when they’re

    0:15:53.759,0:15:57.040
    getting pulled into the spirit of the

    0:15:56.560,0:16:00.720
    game

    0:15:57.040,0:16:03.519
    and uh that sense of

    0:16:00.720,0:16:04.240
    joining on an adventure i can tell you

    0:16:03.519,0:16:06.399
    that

    0:16:04.240,0:16:08.880
    one of the most fun things and and i’m

    0:16:06.399,0:16:11.920
    gonna bring this home to like a personal

    0:16:08.880,0:16:14.160
    aspect uh when

    0:16:11.920,0:16:15.360
    one of the first times when your your

    0:16:14.160,0:16:18.240
    mom and dad

    0:16:15.360,0:16:19.440
    and i would play a board game like the

    0:16:18.240,0:16:22.880
    buffy game

    0:16:19.440,0:16:25.040
    uh buffy the vampire slayer uh it was

    0:16:22.880,0:16:27.360
    very exciting to see you know the

    0:16:25.040,0:16:29.279
    interactions of the characters and and

    0:16:27.360,0:16:31.040
    not know what situations are going to

    0:16:29.279,0:16:32.639
    come up and then remember what had

    0:16:31.040,0:16:35.279
    happened on the show and

    0:16:32.639,0:16:36.959
    you know it was just such a blast to

    0:16:35.279,0:16:37.600
    share those laughs and then you tell

    0:16:36.959,0:16:40.000
    stories

    0:16:37.600,0:16:41.680
    and it just makes it a very interesting

    0:16:40.000,0:16:45.920
    evening around a board game to

    0:16:41.680,0:16:49.040
    to be able to share that yep

    0:16:45.920,0:16:51.680
    i definitely i remember a lot of

    0:16:49.040,0:16:53.839
    i remember a lot of times when i don’t

    0:16:51.680,0:16:55.199
    particularly like new things i will be

    0:16:53.839,0:16:58.399
    honest i don’t like

    0:16:55.199,0:17:01.839
    change very much but when um

    0:16:58.399,0:17:02.720
    i had well when i first learned about

    0:17:01.839,0:17:05.120
    monopoly

    0:17:02.720,0:17:06.799
    i didn’t want to put the game down it

    0:17:05.120,0:17:09.839
    just was so fun to me

    0:17:06.799,0:17:11.839
    and like at first i was kind of like um

    0:17:09.839,0:17:13.120
    i don’t know if i want to play this and

    0:17:11.839,0:17:15.839
    then by the end i’m like

    0:17:13.120,0:17:17.520
    okay come on i want to yeah we went

    0:17:15.839,0:17:18.000
    through our monopoly phase where we

    0:17:17.520,0:17:21.120
    would play

    0:17:18.000,0:17:22.400
    that nightly for a couple of weeks

    0:17:21.120,0:17:24.720
    straight

    0:17:22.400,0:17:25.439
    and the worst part was i would win a lot

    0:17:24.720,0:17:29.039
    of them and

    0:17:25.439,0:17:29.039
    everyone would get angry at me so

    0:17:31.280,0:17:34.640
    what’s next uh next is have you ever

    0:17:34.240,0:17:38.320
    done

    0:17:34.640,0:17:39.919
    reviews for games that’s something that

    0:17:38.320,0:17:41.120
    i haven’t done yet i do have friends

    0:17:39.919,0:17:43.440
    that do that

    0:17:41.120,0:17:45.360
    um but we haven’t actually sat down and

    0:17:43.440,0:17:46.000
    done the reviews i’ve watched a few of

    0:17:45.360,0:17:48.480
    them

    0:17:46.000,0:17:49.679
    i can’t mention you know the names off

    0:17:48.480,0:17:52.400
    the top of my head

    0:17:49.679,0:17:54.640
    but i know that that is a lot of times

    0:17:52.400,0:17:56.799
    an invaluable service

    0:17:54.640,0:17:57.919
    to be able to see the game being played

    0:17:56.799,0:18:00.480
    to understand

    0:17:57.919,0:18:02.559
    you know what you’re getting in for um

    0:18:00.480,0:18:06.160
    before you make that purchase

    0:18:02.559,0:18:08.160
    um and let me just mention at this point

    0:18:06.160,0:18:10.000
    something else that people are gonna

    0:18:08.160,0:18:11.120
    find when they go to buy some of these

    0:18:10.000,0:18:13.520
    board games

    0:18:11.120,0:18:15.360
    the price point nowadays is a little bit

    0:18:13.520,0:18:17.120
    different than it used to be i think the

    0:18:15.360,0:18:18.160
    average right now is somewhere from the

    0:18:17.120,0:18:20.320
    60 to 80

    0:18:18.160,0:18:21.200
    range so when you’re spending that much

    0:18:20.320,0:18:24.880
    money

    0:18:21.200,0:18:26.480
    game reviews are invaluable

    0:18:24.880,0:18:28.320
    to be able to see if it’s something

    0:18:26.480,0:18:29.919
    you’re going to enjoy when you’re

    0:18:28.320,0:18:31.440
    investing that much money in something

    0:18:29.919,0:18:32.640
    new like you said madison if you

    0:18:31.440,0:18:34.720
    especially if you don’t like

    0:18:32.640,0:18:35.919
    something new you want to make sure that

    0:18:34.720,0:18:36.799
    it’s something that you really are going

    0:18:35.919,0:18:41.600
    to like

    0:18:36.799,0:18:43.360
    yeah absolutely definitely um

    0:18:41.600,0:18:44.720
    kind of going along with that question

    0:18:43.360,0:18:47.440
    have you ever created toys

    0:18:44.720,0:18:47.440
    professionally

    0:18:47.520,0:18:51.919
    i have that was one of the services that

    0:18:50.000,0:18:54.320
    we offered at the underground lair

    0:18:51.919,0:18:57.200
    and i had been doing it you know in a

    0:18:54.320,0:18:59.760
    much more amateur sense

    0:18:57.200,0:19:00.880
    for years leading up to that um i would

    0:18:59.760,0:19:04.400
    do it for friends

    0:19:00.880,0:19:05.200
    who would be cleaning out a relative’s

    0:19:04.400,0:19:08.480
    attic

    0:19:05.200,0:19:10.080
    or a basement or you know would be ready

    0:19:08.480,0:19:10.640
    to get rid of their collection and want

    0:19:10.080,0:19:13.360
    to know

    0:19:10.640,0:19:14.000
    hey do i have anything here that i can

    0:19:13.360,0:19:17.120
    you know

    0:19:14.000,0:19:18.559
    maybe make some money on um and

    0:19:17.120,0:19:20.720
    and that’s something that i’ve always

    0:19:18.559,0:19:22.400
    been up on i know

    0:19:20.720,0:19:24.880
    you know the grading system of a lot of

    0:19:22.400,0:19:26.160
    the board games and comic books and

    0:19:24.880,0:19:28.080
    action figures

    0:19:26.160,0:19:30.880
    so it was a service that we definitely

    0:19:28.080,0:19:34.559
    wanted to offer at the underground lair

    0:19:30.880,0:19:38.000
    okay um our last question we have

    0:19:34.559,0:19:40.720
    is do you do game and toy shows if so

    0:19:38.000,0:19:41.600
    is the champ is the choice show for

    0:19:40.720,0:19:44.320
    collect

    0:19:41.600,0:19:45.760
    what if so what is the choice show for

    0:19:44.320,0:19:48.880
    collectors to go

    0:19:45.760,0:19:51.520
    to in the area

    0:19:48.880,0:19:52.720
    great question and there are we are

    0:19:51.520,0:19:55.679
    really lucky

    0:19:52.720,0:19:56.160
    in that we have a couple of premier toy

    0:19:55.679,0:19:59.360
    shows

    0:19:56.160,0:20:02.480
    in our area um some of my favorites

    0:19:59.360,0:20:04.320
    um and again we’re we’re gonna have to

    0:20:02.480,0:20:06.080
    talk about this from outside of a cove

    0:20:04.320,0:20:08.320
    situation you know if it was a normal

    0:20:06.080,0:20:08.799
    year regular you know events being

    0:20:08.320,0:20:10.240
    planned

    0:20:08.799,0:20:11.919
    these would be the places that you would

    0:20:10.240,0:20:14.080
    want to hit

    0:20:11.919,0:20:14.960
    one of the first ones that i always go

    0:20:14.080,0:20:18.960
    to

    0:20:14.960,0:20:21.520
    is the allentown ag hall toy show

    0:20:18.960,0:20:22.480
    which is the first saturday of every

    0:20:21.520,0:20:26.559
    november

    0:20:22.480,0:20:28.880
    and it’s a mixture of antiques

    0:20:26.559,0:20:30.400
    up to current day you know action

    0:20:28.880,0:20:32.799
    figures and board games

    0:20:30.400,0:20:34.320
    it’s relatively inexpensive to get into

    0:20:32.799,0:20:36.080
    i think it was only like five bucks or

    0:20:34.320,0:20:39.039
    seven bucks to walk in

    0:20:36.080,0:20:39.600
    and they just have aisles and aisles of

    0:20:39.039,0:20:41.440
    really

    0:20:39.600,0:20:42.960
    fun vintage stuff that you might not see

    0:20:41.440,0:20:45.840
    anywhere else

    0:20:42.960,0:20:46.720
    uh the other one was um the lehigh

    0:20:45.840,0:20:48.559
    valley comic con

    0:20:46.720,0:20:49.840
    is also in allentown there you’ll see a

    0:20:48.559,0:20:52.480
    good mix of comic books

    0:20:49.840,0:20:53.840
    board games action figures a little bit

    0:20:52.480,0:20:57.280
    of everything

    0:20:53.840,0:20:59.200
    uh there’s zolokon in warminster pa

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    uh which is the other name for the fuge

    0:20:59.200,0:21:04.480
    joe yes uh

    0:21:01.200,0:21:07.919
    again a fabulous show in

    0:21:04.480,0:21:11.840
    just a fantastic sci-fi

    0:21:07.919,0:21:14.159
    realistic um you know it walks that line

    0:21:11.840,0:21:14.799
    between you know fantasy and reality

    0:21:14.159,0:21:19.840
    that

    0:21:14.799,0:21:19.840
    just adds to that ambiance of being

    0:21:21.360,0:21:30.480
    that um the other one was retro con

    0:21:26.320,0:21:32.880
    in um oaks pa yeah

    0:21:30.480,0:21:34.720
    and then the toy con in new jersey at

    0:21:32.880,0:21:36.400
    atlantic city

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    that one i think we’ve never been to

    0:21:36.400,0:21:40.960
    that one

    0:21:38.320,0:21:41.520
    that’s that’s a really big one joe um

    0:21:40.960,0:21:44.960
    that’s

    0:21:41.520,0:21:46.640
    uh again it’s kind of like a good mix of

    0:21:44.960,0:21:48.240
    antiques and new stuff but it’s much

    0:21:46.640,0:21:51.360
    more of the older stuff

    0:21:48.240,0:21:54.720
    and in much more quantities right

    0:21:51.360,0:21:56.799
    so on that on that note um

    0:21:54.720,0:21:58.799
    what about the comic cons you know we’ve

    0:21:56.799,0:21:59.280
    get we get wizard world in the area we

    0:21:58.799,0:22:02.080
    get

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    uh new york comic-con are these some of

    0:22:02.080,0:22:05.679
    the premier shows yeah

    0:22:04.000,0:22:07.919
    are these some place that a collector

    0:22:05.679,0:22:10.559
    would go or are they more contemporary

    0:22:07.919,0:22:12.159
    vendors that you have there you’re gonna

    0:22:10.559,0:22:13.360
    have more contemporary vendors you’re

    0:22:12.159,0:22:14.320
    gonna have people that know what they’re

    0:22:13.360,0:22:16.240
    doing

    0:22:14.320,0:22:18.720
    um you’re not gonna find as many

    0:22:16.240,0:22:21.360
    bargains but

    0:22:18.720,0:22:22.960
    you may find that oddball item that

    0:22:21.360,0:22:24.240
    you’ve been looking for that you won’t

    0:22:22.960,0:22:26.480
    find anywhere else because you’re

    0:22:24.240,0:22:28.559
    drawing people from all around the world

    0:22:26.480,0:22:29.520
    not just our country but from all around

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    the world

    0:22:29.520,0:22:33.360
    at some of these big shows like the new

    0:22:31.760,0:22:36.000
    york comic con which

    0:22:33.360,0:22:38.559
    has grown to the point where it’s kind

    0:22:36.000,0:22:40.640
    of overshadowing the san diego comic-con

    0:22:38.559,0:22:42.159
    which has been the premier show that

    0:22:40.640,0:22:45.440
    everyone’s wanted to go to for

    0:22:42.159,0:22:47.600
    decades uh so that’s the advantage to

    0:22:45.440,0:22:50.080
    going to one of those big major shows

    0:22:47.600,0:22:51.760
    is you will get a cross-section of

    0:22:50.080,0:22:53.360
    everything from around the world and

    0:22:51.760,0:22:54.000
    dealers who you might not normally see

    0:22:53.360,0:22:56.720
    at the smaller

    0:22:54.000,0:22:58.640
    venues yeah what about the convention

    0:22:56.720,0:22:59.280
    exclusives at these big comic-con

    0:22:58.640,0:23:00.960
    conventions

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    are they something that a collector is

    0:23:00.960,0:23:06.159
    that an entry point for a collector

    0:23:02.880,0:23:07.760
    or is that gimmicky more than a real

    0:23:06.159,0:23:10.080
    collectible

    0:23:07.760,0:23:11.679
    boy that’s that’s a tough line to walk

    0:23:10.080,0:23:13.440
    because

    0:23:11.679,0:23:14.880
    you know as well as i do being a

    0:23:13.440,0:23:17.039
    completist

    0:23:14.880,0:23:18.960
    it’s tough to pass those up because

    0:23:17.039,0:23:21.200
    where else are you gonna find them

    0:23:18.960,0:23:22.080
    uh you know when you see those con

    0:23:21.200,0:23:26.799
    exclusives

    0:23:22.080,0:23:31.679
    and i mean my desire for them is always

    0:23:26.799,0:23:35.280
    mixed with how cool is the item actually

    0:23:31.679,0:23:39.120
    uh you know i can i can

    0:23:35.280,0:23:40.080
    maybe let one go if it’s not necessarily

    0:23:39.120,0:23:42.559
    something i would

    0:23:40.080,0:23:43.120
    collect you know on the on the regular

    0:23:42.559,0:23:45.200
    uh

    0:23:43.120,0:23:47.200
    i’m a big spider-man fan so spider-man

    0:23:45.200,0:23:50.320
    is one of my my weak spots

    0:23:47.200,0:23:52.240
    so i i do like spider-man villains and

    0:23:50.320,0:23:54.400
    you know characters but if you’re gonna

    0:23:52.240,0:23:54.960
    give me like the fifth jay jonah jameson

    0:23:54.400,0:23:56.799
    figure

    0:23:54.960,0:23:59.279
    as a con exclusive i’m probably gonna

    0:23:56.799,0:24:00.559
    pass right right

    0:23:59.279,0:24:02.400
    well that was all we have for this

    0:24:00.559,0:24:05.279
    segment stay with us we’ll be back

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    in a minute and talk about what the

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    importance of gaming

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    is for teens

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    both on the web and on discord

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    the second civ empire is more than your

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    typical gaming group

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    we’re family join us on the star forge

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    server

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    for nightly events such as operations

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    flash points world boss hunts star wars

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    trivia

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    guild lottery and much more

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    notice on the web today just watching

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    star wars http://www.the2ndsithempire.com

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    [Music]

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    welcome back to insights into teens this

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    is episode 100

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    fun and games with dan so games have an

    0:25:27.919,0:25:32.559
    important part in our lives

    0:25:29.679,0:25:34.000
    they they bring the family together they

    0:25:32.559,0:25:35.039
    bring the friends together like dan had

    0:25:34.000,0:25:38.400
    mentioned

    0:25:35.039,0:25:41.039
    they give us some some camaraderie

    0:25:38.400,0:25:42.799
    and and you can even learn from games to

    0:25:41.039,0:25:44.880
    a certain extent

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    so we had you had gone out and done some

    0:25:44.880,0:25:47.760
    research on this

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    why don’t you tell us about what your

    0:25:47.760,0:25:54.159
    findings were in your research

    0:25:50.240,0:25:57.159
    okay so um this research comes

    0:25:54.159,0:25:58.960
    from a site that we haven’t used called

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    yourmom.com

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    uh i’m sorry

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    i’m sorry i had to get that out it

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    actually is

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    you are mom dot com not your mom

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    but okay

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    sorry um this is the fun in gaines

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    podcast so that’s okay

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    okay okay so on to the research so

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    games are games are key

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    to the person to the personal

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    development of youth during adolescence

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    and all for a number of benefits

    0:26:35.200,0:26:38.480
    playing games allows young people to

    0:26:37.039,0:26:40.559
    learn and have fun

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    games can also be used as a means of

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    distraction and

    0:26:41.679,0:26:46.880
    personal growth the most popular games

    0:26:45.679,0:26:49.840
    for teens are those

    0:26:46.880,0:26:52.000
    that provide challenges to the mind some

    0:26:49.840,0:26:55.520
    examples are strategy games puzzle

    0:26:52.000,0:26:57.919
    games like tetris candy crush

    0:26:55.520,0:26:59.120
    to zoom to zoom board games like

    0:26:57.919,0:27:01.440
    monopoly clue

    0:26:59.120,0:27:02.640
    and the game of life and word games

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    likes categories

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    scrabble words with friends

    0:27:06.159,0:27:08.960
    and boggle

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    um games are are truly a privileged

    0:27:13.520,0:27:18.159
    tool that allows for the the development

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    of a positive attitude that can

    0:27:18.159,0:27:20.960
    accompany teens for the rest of their

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    lives

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    playing games combines combines pleasure

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    participation creativity and experience

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    so damn would you agree that

    0:27:32.000,0:27:36.399
    these benefits or benefits that you can

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    get from board games

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    absolutely um along with that

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    i think um just the idea of

    0:27:43.200,0:27:46.640
    some of these games where you’re

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    utilizing strategy you have to use

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    logic and forethought all of those are

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    great skills for teens to have

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    um going further into their life just

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    with life lessons

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    it keep teaches you creative thinking

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    and abstract thinking um

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    as well as sometimes teaching you

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    history and basics like

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    finance and monopoly yeah that’s a very

    0:28:08.880,0:28:12.559
    good point

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    now the the research that was done

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    suggests

    0:28:13.360,0:28:16.960
    that teens want games that give them a

    0:28:16.080,0:28:19.360
    challenge

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    do you find that to be the case in your

    0:28:19.360,0:28:24.000
    experience

    0:28:21.679,0:28:25.039
    oh yeah yeah because if something’s too

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    easy

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    you’re going to get bored with it and

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    how long is that interest going to be

    0:28:29.600,0:28:34.000
    held uh the game has to be challenging

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    it has to push you a little bit

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    has to move you out of your comfort zone

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    um

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    and i think those are really important

    0:28:39.200,0:28:44.000
    elements for any successful board game

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    are besides the ones that we listed here

    0:28:44.000,0:28:48.240
    are there any other games

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    that you’re familiar with at this time

    0:28:48.240,0:28:51.600
    that you think would be ideal games that

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    you would suggest for

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    teens that provide that level of

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    challenge combined with that

    0:28:56.799,0:29:01.840
    that additional benefit of an

    0:28:58.960,0:29:04.159
    educational experience

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    there’s a lot of really good um

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    historical

    0:29:05.120,0:29:10.000
    battle games out there right now some of

    0:29:08.320,0:29:11.200
    which have lasted for a couple of

    0:29:10.000,0:29:13.760
    decades

    0:29:11.200,0:29:15.600
    there was a series called the game

    0:29:13.760,0:29:16.720
    master series by milton bradley which is

    0:29:15.600,0:29:19.440
    one of the first ones that

    0:29:16.720,0:29:20.720
    i started with and that was back in the

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    80s and that was

    0:29:20.720,0:29:25.440
    you know our early gaming days but as

    0:29:23.919,0:29:27.039
    you can probably see in the background

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    there we have uh

    0:29:27.039,0:29:30.640
    access allies which is the world war ii

    0:29:29.679,0:29:32.960
    version

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    which helps you recreate some of the

    0:29:32.960,0:29:38.880
    famous battle scenarios of that era

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    um but there’s also ones that were civil

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    war oriented

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    there were revolutionary war oriented

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    ones that teach about history

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    uh and again we can go back to just

    0:29:47.440,0:29:51.840
    things like word building and things

    0:29:50.000,0:29:54.000
    like scrabble and

    0:29:51.840,0:29:55.120
    as as madison mentioned boggle in some

    0:29:54.000,0:29:57.840
    of those games that

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    teach you know basic spelling

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    memorization

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    mind strength uh all very important for

    0:30:02.720,0:30:09.039
    a young mind that’s growing and learning

    0:30:06.159,0:30:09.840
    so do you think it’s possible that you

    0:30:09.039,0:30:12.640
    can play

    0:30:09.840,0:30:12.640
    too many games

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    well i think like anything moderation is

    0:30:15.760,0:30:19.039
    the key um

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    i feel the same way about video games

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    i’ve never felt

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    negatively about video games but if

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    you’re spending

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    more time on that than you are in the

    0:30:25.760,0:30:28.960
    rest of your life you’ve got to create a

    0:30:27.919,0:30:31.760
    balance

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    and the same thing with board games um

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    you know you want to

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    have moderation and you know not

    0:30:36.240,0:30:39.679
    dedicate hours and hours out of a day to

    0:30:39.360,0:30:42.559
    it

    0:30:39.679,0:30:43.679
    but i have in the past with some of

    0:30:42.559,0:30:45.360
    these other games

    0:30:43.679,0:30:47.279
    some of them can last you know four or

    0:30:45.360,0:30:49.520
    five hours

    0:30:47.279,0:30:50.720
    but are you gonna do it every night

    0:30:49.520,0:30:53.279
    because that would be

    0:30:50.720,0:30:55.679
    you know pushing it yeah that that that

    0:30:53.279,0:30:58.240
    could be dangerous i do remember

    0:30:55.679,0:31:01.279
    uh our six and eight hour star wars

    0:30:58.240,0:31:01.279
    miniature weekend

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    that’s not something you would want to

    0:31:05.360,0:31:08.960
    have as your

    0:31:06.480,0:31:10.399
    life going you know every night no no

    0:31:08.960,0:31:11.919
    not unless you’re getting paid to do it

    0:31:10.399,0:31:15.039
    as a play tester or something

    0:31:11.919,0:31:16.559
    right right um so let’s you know we

    0:31:15.039,0:31:19.840
    talked about a couple of

    0:31:16.559,0:31:23.440
    mostly games that are

    0:31:19.840,0:31:25.840
    group involved games um but there’s

    0:31:23.440,0:31:27.679
    there’s benefits to individual games too

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    especially given the current environment

    0:31:27.679,0:31:30.080
    that we’re in where we can’t all get

    0:31:28.880,0:31:31.840
    together

    0:31:30.080,0:31:33.519
    are there any games out there that you

    0:31:31.840,0:31:34.880
    could suggest to somebody who doesn’t

    0:31:33.519,0:31:37.440
    have that advantage of

    0:31:34.880,0:31:38.880
    of getting together with someone i’m

    0:31:37.440,0:31:40.240
    really glad you brought that up because

    0:31:38.880,0:31:41.600
    that was going to be a point that i was

    0:31:40.240,0:31:42.320
    going to bring up at the end of this as

    0:31:41.600,0:31:45.360
    well

    0:31:42.320,0:31:47.679
    uh with the current environment it’s

    0:31:45.360,0:31:49.039
    very difficult to have game nights and

    0:31:47.679,0:31:49.919
    to be able to get together with my

    0:31:49.039,0:31:52.399
    friends and i’m sure

    0:31:49.919,0:31:53.519
    everyone is experiencing the same thing

    0:31:52.399,0:31:56.320
    so

    0:31:53.519,0:31:59.200
    what do you do if you want to continue

    0:31:56.320,0:32:01.039
    to play a board game

    0:31:59.200,0:32:02.880
    what can you do on your own are there

    0:32:01.039,0:32:05.600
    solo board games out there and yes

    0:32:02.880,0:32:06.640
    there are uh some of the ones that i was

    0:32:05.600,0:32:10.000
    able to find

    0:32:06.640,0:32:11.120
    were um things like the escape the room

    0:32:10.000,0:32:14.080
    series

    0:32:11.120,0:32:15.279
    uh it’s not easy to do those on your own

    0:32:14.080,0:32:17.360
    but you can

    0:32:15.279,0:32:19.200
    um there’s another great series called

    0:32:17.360,0:32:22.880
    choose your own adventure

    0:32:19.200,0:32:23.360
    which is by z man and those are based on

    0:32:22.880,0:32:25.600
    those

    0:32:23.360,0:32:27.039
    books that you and i probably remember

    0:32:25.600,0:32:28.559
    more than anybody joe

    0:32:27.039,0:32:30.240
    where you would page through the book

    0:32:28.559,0:32:32.080
    and you’re reading it and at the bottom

    0:32:30.240,0:32:34.080
    it would give you a choice

    0:32:32.080,0:32:36.159
    of what page you would go to if you

    0:32:34.080,0:32:37.360
    chose this and what page you would go to

    0:32:36.159,0:32:39.760
    if you chose that

    0:32:37.360,0:32:40.880
    so they’ve created solo games in that

    0:32:39.760,0:32:42.399
    fashion

    0:32:40.880,0:32:45.120
    and i did want to mention one other

    0:32:42.399,0:32:45.840
    thing that i discovered this past year

    0:32:45.120,0:32:48.880
    because

    0:32:45.840,0:32:49.200
    again i really wanted to find something

    0:32:48.880,0:32:52.640
    that

    0:32:49.200,0:32:55.440
    i could do on my own um

    0:32:52.640,0:32:56.720
    without having to do you know a

    0:32:55.440,0:33:00.240
    get-together

    0:32:56.720,0:33:01.679
    and i found on kickstarter

    0:33:00.240,0:33:03.360
    and i’m very excited about this it’s

    0:33:01.679,0:33:06.880
    going to be coming out in may

    0:33:03.360,0:33:09.519
    a game called final girl where you

    0:33:06.880,0:33:10.960
    play against the game a solo it’s a solo

    0:33:09.519,0:33:13.039
    version of a game

    0:33:10.960,0:33:14.080
    where you are the final girl in a horror

    0:33:13.039,0:33:16.080
    movie

    0:33:14.080,0:33:17.120
    and there are different scenarios with

    0:33:16.080,0:33:20.799
    different types

    0:33:17.120,0:33:23.519
    of uh you know

    0:33:20.799,0:33:25.200
    axe murderers and horror characters that

    0:33:23.519,0:33:26.320
    are very similar to like your freddy

    0:33:25.200,0:33:28.720
    krueger’s and

    0:33:26.320,0:33:31.279
    jason’s and things like that and you

    0:33:28.720,0:33:34.399
    have your final girl who’s trying to

    0:33:31.279,0:33:35.600
    rescue people around the lake or around

    0:33:34.399,0:33:38.640
    the house

    0:33:35.600,0:33:39.360
    while being chased by this maniac and

    0:33:38.640,0:33:41.760
    it’s you

    0:33:39.360,0:33:42.640
    against the clock and against this

    0:33:41.760,0:33:44.880
    character

    0:33:42.640,0:33:45.840
    and it’s a solo adventure and it sounds

    0:33:44.880,0:33:48.880
    like it’s going to be

    0:33:45.840,0:33:51.279
    fantastic um and that’s coming out

    0:33:48.880,0:33:53.840
    may of this year well that’s very cool

    0:33:51.279,0:33:57.039
    that does that sounds very interesting

    0:33:53.840,0:33:59.279
    so i know we’ve done um

    0:33:57.039,0:34:01.279
    zoom calls a lot to to keep the family

    0:33:59.279,0:34:02.320
    together special occasions stuff like

    0:34:01.279,0:34:06.080
    that

    0:34:02.320,0:34:08.800
    and you know whenever we get together

    0:34:06.080,0:34:10.720
    as a family we always play a game you

    0:34:08.800,0:34:12.960
    know thanks to you

    0:34:10.720,0:34:15.440
    pretty much you’ve always got games with

    0:34:12.960,0:34:18.800
    you whenever we get together

    0:34:15.440,0:34:19.359
    so on zoom there have been some options

    0:34:18.800,0:34:22.159
    that we’ve

    0:34:19.359,0:34:24.240
    been able to translate that into another

    0:34:22.159,0:34:26.480
    entertaining experience do you have any

    0:34:24.240,0:34:26.879
    suggestions like that for people who

    0:34:26.480,0:34:28.720
    can’t

    0:34:26.879,0:34:30.639
    get together but still want to play

    0:34:28.720,0:34:32.639
    group games like that

    0:34:30.639,0:34:34.000
    where they can sort of capture some of

    0:34:32.639,0:34:37.040
    that magic any any

    0:34:34.000,0:34:37.040
    suggestions on that

    0:34:37.520,0:34:40.480
    i’m trying to think of what some of the

    0:34:38.960,0:34:41.119
    ones where i think there’s one that was

    0:34:40.480,0:34:42.800
    called

    0:34:41.119,0:34:46.079
    and and forgive me if i get this wrong

    0:34:42.800,0:34:46.079
    jack box yes

    0:34:46.839,0:34:51.040
    um

    0:34:48.720,0:34:52.320
    they they don’t just have one type of

    0:34:51.040,0:34:55.440
    game and it’s like

    0:34:52.320,0:34:58.480
    a multiplayer uh online

    0:34:55.440,0:35:00.640
    you know participation but

    0:34:58.480,0:35:02.640
    there’s a whole variety of different

    0:35:00.640,0:35:05.599
    games that you can choose from

    0:35:02.640,0:35:07.200
    and then you accumulate points by either

    0:35:05.599,0:35:08.320
    winning or succeeding in each one of

    0:35:07.200,0:35:09.760
    those games

    0:35:08.320,0:35:11.599
    and then you get to do something at the

    0:35:09.760,0:35:12.079
    end with those accumulated points and

    0:35:11.599,0:35:15.040
    it’s just

    0:35:12.079,0:35:16.880
    that’s been a blast we’ve done that

    0:35:15.040,0:35:19.359
    already

    0:35:16.880,0:35:20.880
    sitting in the same room on our phones

    0:35:19.359,0:35:21.440
    so you could easily do it from a

    0:35:20.880,0:35:24.720
    distance

    0:35:21.440,0:35:26.000
    remotely i i also heard this vicious

    0:35:24.720,0:35:28.320
    rumor that you

    0:35:26.000,0:35:31.760
    uh you play words with friends with

    0:35:28.320,0:35:34.960
    someone from our house too

    0:35:31.760,0:35:38.400
    those rumors can be confirmed um i

    0:35:34.960,0:35:40.480
    i am rather fond of that uh there

    0:35:38.400,0:35:41.760
    are a handful of people that i do play

    0:35:40.480,0:35:44.400
    with that with

    0:35:41.760,0:35:44.880
    um and i have found that to be a lot of

    0:35:44.400,0:35:47.359
    fun

    0:35:44.880,0:35:48.640
    and it takes me back to my scrabble

    0:35:47.359,0:35:51.599
    playing days

    0:35:48.640,0:35:52.079
    and you know it’s it can be rough it can

    0:35:51.599,0:35:54.160
    be

    0:35:52.079,0:35:55.280
    brutal i’ve taken some really hard

    0:35:54.160,0:35:57.520
    losses

    0:35:55.280,0:35:58.480
    um some humiliating losses some would

    0:35:57.520,0:36:01.440
    say so

    0:35:58.480,0:36:03.520
    i’ve learned i’ve gotten better but it’s

    0:36:01.440,0:36:05.839
    it’s a lot of fun i i enjoy it

    0:36:03.520,0:36:07.359
    that’s great so we’re going to take a

    0:36:05.839,0:36:10.800
    quick break we’re going to come back

    0:36:07.359,0:36:13.119
    and we’re going to do a deep dive on uh

    0:36:10.800,0:36:14.160
    dan and his history and a little bit

    0:36:13.119,0:36:17.680
    more detail

    0:36:14.160,0:36:26.820
    on what his gaming uh prowess

    0:36:17.680,0:36:29.440
    really reflects so we’ll be right back

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    0:37:34.480,0:37:40.400
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    0:37:37.760,0:37:42.640
    deep dive on dan here i guess the first

    0:37:40.400,0:37:44.640
    question i have to ask is how old were

    0:37:42.640,0:37:47.359
    you when you started getting into gaming

    0:37:44.640,0:37:47.359
    and collecting

    0:37:47.680,0:37:50.800
    the actual collecting aspect of it

    0:37:50.320,0:37:54.000
    didn’t

    0:37:50.800,0:37:57.119
    happen until i reached college

    0:37:54.000,0:38:00.560
    and up until then i was

    0:37:57.119,0:38:01.920
    a very hardcore comic book and action

    0:38:00.560,0:38:04.880
    figure collector

    0:38:01.920,0:38:05.920
    and had an extensive collection of the

    0:38:04.880,0:38:08.240
    marvels

    0:38:05.920,0:38:09.200
    dating back into the 1960s all the major

    0:38:08.240,0:38:11.200
    titles

    0:38:09.200,0:38:12.960
    and all of the action figures that had

    0:38:11.200,0:38:13.520
    been produced at that time and it was a

    0:38:12.960,0:38:16.960
    much

    0:38:13.520,0:38:19.520
    more meager selection during the 70s

    0:38:16.960,0:38:20.720
    and 80s than it is now where it is just

    0:38:19.520,0:38:22.320
    a plethora of

    0:38:20.720,0:38:24.400
    choices out there to make as far as

    0:38:22.320,0:38:26.560
    action figures um

    0:38:24.400,0:38:27.920
    but when we got to college uh we did

    0:38:26.560,0:38:31.680
    there were two things that

    0:38:27.920,0:38:34.880
    i became involved in one of them was

    0:38:31.680,0:38:36.320
    the wonderful world of d

    0:38:34.880,0:38:38.480
    which i got to play for the first time

    0:38:36.320,0:38:40.320
    with a group because growing up none of

    0:38:38.480,0:38:42.240
    my friends knew how to play

    0:38:40.320,0:38:43.440
    so it’s very difficult to learn to play

    0:38:42.240,0:38:45.680
    d d on your own

    0:38:43.440,0:38:47.200
    when you have no one else to play with

    0:38:45.680,0:38:50.000
    so that was the one thing that

    0:38:47.200,0:38:51.280
    i kind of became involved in and then

    0:38:50.000,0:38:52.720
    the other one was the

    0:38:51.280,0:38:55.200
    like i mentioned earlier the milton

    0:38:52.720,0:38:58.480
    bradley game master series

    0:38:55.200,0:39:01.119
    which were all based on classic eras

    0:38:58.480,0:39:03.119
    of classic battles throughout history

    0:39:01.119,0:39:05.040
    they had conquest the of the empire

    0:39:03.119,0:39:07.760
    which was the roman empire’s

    0:39:05.040,0:39:08.400
    uh attempt to take over the world there

    0:39:07.760,0:39:10.480
    was

    0:39:08.400,0:39:12.160
    axis and allies which was the world war

    0:39:10.480,0:39:15.440
    ii version

    0:39:12.160,0:39:17.520
    there was shogun which was the feudal

    0:39:15.440,0:39:19.599
    japan version

    0:39:17.520,0:39:21.680
    and they had a one another one called

    0:39:19.599,0:39:25.520
    broadsides and boarding parties

    0:39:21.680,0:39:28.400
    which was a tall ship uh

    0:39:25.520,0:39:29.200
    sort of a pirate kind of version where

    0:39:28.400,0:39:31.680
    you would

    0:39:29.200,0:39:32.560
    chase each other around in ships on the

    0:39:31.680,0:39:33.920
    board

    0:39:32.560,0:39:35.920
    and you would get to a point where you

    0:39:33.920,0:39:37.520
    would do a broadsides with each other if

    0:39:35.920,0:39:39.599
    you were next to each other and then

    0:39:37.520,0:39:42.240
    you had characters that could actually

    0:39:39.599,0:39:44.320
    attack each other from the ships um so

    0:39:42.240,0:39:45.760
    those types of military strategy games

    0:39:44.320,0:39:49.599
    were a big part

    0:39:45.760,0:39:52.880
    of my formative game playing years

    0:39:49.599,0:39:54.960
    very interesting so um

    0:39:52.880,0:39:57.680
    what games were popular when you were a

    0:39:54.960,0:40:00.079
    teen

    0:39:57.680,0:40:00.079
    um

    0:40:01.359,0:40:04.880
    just the classics i think when i was a

    0:40:03.280,0:40:06.079
    teen i was trying to go back and look at

    0:40:04.880,0:40:08.160
    some of the dates

    0:40:06.079,0:40:10.400
    so that i could be a little bit more

    0:40:08.160,0:40:13.760
    sure about when i was a teen

    0:40:10.400,0:40:16.000
    um so other than like

    0:40:13.760,0:40:16.960
    monopoly and scrabble and some of those

    0:40:16.000,0:40:20.880
    other ones

    0:40:16.960,0:40:21.200
    um again really what kind of caught our

    0:40:20.880,0:40:23.280
    eye

    0:40:21.200,0:40:24.480
    and what came into popularity during

    0:40:23.280,0:40:26.800
    that era

    0:40:24.480,0:40:28.000
    were games like trivial pursuit which

    0:40:26.800,0:40:30.960
    was absolutely

    0:40:28.000,0:40:32.480
    huge when i was um getting out of high

    0:40:30.960,0:40:34.400
    school going into college

    0:40:32.480,0:40:36.160
    uh the late 70s early 80s i think the

    0:40:34.400,0:40:38.240
    first trivia pursuit games came out

    0:40:36.160,0:40:41.599
    actually in the early 80s um

    0:40:38.240,0:40:45.680
    but those were were so huge um

    0:40:41.599,0:40:48.480
    games like uh scattergories and taboo

    0:40:45.680,0:40:50.000
    and some of those were just immensely

    0:40:48.480,0:40:51.940
    popular at all the parties and things

    0:40:50.000,0:40:54.400
    that we would go to um

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    other board games i know my sisters and

    0:40:56.640,0:41:02.160
    i because i had two younger sisters

    0:40:59.119,0:41:05.520
    we would play you know life and

    0:41:02.160,0:41:07.520
    a game called careers which is

    0:41:05.520,0:41:09.680
    basically you choose an occupation and

    0:41:07.520,0:41:12.000
    you try to become successful at it and

    0:41:09.680,0:41:12.960
    it was very straightforward kind of like

    0:41:12.000,0:41:16.319
    a little bit

    0:41:12.960,0:41:17.599
    more involved than life uh but it was a

    0:41:16.319,0:41:19.920
    lot of fun

    0:41:17.599,0:41:21.280
    um and then just some of the classics

    0:41:19.920,0:41:25.040
    like i said like a

    0:41:21.280,0:41:28.000
    clue and uh monopoly and life

    0:41:25.040,0:41:28.800
    and some of those other ones interesting

    0:41:28.000,0:41:31.920
    so

    0:41:28.800,0:41:36.160
    what is the most bizarre but

    0:41:31.920,0:41:39.839
    family-friendly game that you’ve played

    0:41:36.160,0:41:44.400
    okay one of the ones

    0:41:39.839,0:41:47.680
    was the green ghost game

    0:41:44.400,0:41:48.000
    which came out in the 60s during a time

    0:41:47.680,0:41:49.760
    when

    0:41:48.000,0:41:52.400
    things like the monsters and the adams

    0:41:49.760,0:41:54.400
    family were very popular

    0:41:52.400,0:41:55.440
    and it was basically you played it in

    0:41:54.400,0:41:58.319
    the dark

    0:41:55.440,0:41:59.760
    the game board glowed a big green ghost

    0:41:58.319,0:42:01.280
    in the center of it glowed that’s what

    0:41:59.760,0:42:03.280
    you would spin

    0:42:01.280,0:42:04.480
    and then you had to go around the board

    0:42:03.280,0:42:06.240
    and that had

    0:42:04.480,0:42:08.079
    the board was raised about three or four

    0:42:06.240,0:42:08.640
    inches and there were boxes underneath

    0:42:08.079,0:42:10.560
    it

    0:42:08.640,0:42:11.680
    and you were in the dark and you would

    0:42:10.560,0:42:14.000
    have to reach in

    0:42:11.680,0:42:15.280
    and identify what the items were that

    0:42:14.000,0:42:16.960
    were in it kind of like the classic

    0:42:15.280,0:42:19.040
    halloween party game

    0:42:16.960,0:42:20.160
    uh that was a weird one there was

    0:42:19.040,0:42:23.520
    another one called

    0:42:20.160,0:42:26.079
    uh kaboom which was a way of

    0:42:23.520,0:42:29.119
    blowing up taking turns pumping on a

    0:42:26.079,0:42:30.319
    balloon that was on a dynamite shack

    0:42:29.119,0:42:34.480
    and you would go around the board and

    0:42:30.319,0:42:37.760
    try not to get blown up by the balloon

    0:42:34.480,0:42:38.560
    that’s funny yeah there was there were

    0:42:37.760,0:42:39.920
    some great ones

    0:42:38.560,0:42:41.680
    and then of course there was the pie in

    0:42:39.920,0:42:43.280
    the face one which not really a board

    0:42:41.680,0:42:44.319
    game but that was a very bizarre game

    0:42:43.280,0:42:46.000
    too where you would

    0:42:44.319,0:42:47.520
    take turns twisting the dials and you

    0:42:46.000,0:42:48.319
    would get a pie in the face if you got

    0:42:47.520,0:42:50.400
    it wrong

    0:42:48.319,0:42:51.839
    well nowadays you’d never see a game

    0:42:50.400,0:42:56.160
    like that now i mean

    0:42:51.839,0:42:56.160
    it wouldn’t pass like safety inspections

    0:42:57.280,0:43:00.640
    what’s our next question so was there

    0:42:59.440,0:43:03.680
    any

    0:43:00.640,0:43:05.040
    was there a particular theme of a

    0:43:03.680,0:43:06.960
    particular theme

    0:43:05.040,0:43:09.359
    of gaming or gaming type that you were

    0:43:06.960,0:43:12.400
    interested in

    0:43:09.359,0:43:16.400
    well i really liked the um

    0:43:12.400,0:43:19.520
    competitive uh military style games

    0:43:16.400,0:43:22.480
    uh games like stratego um

    0:43:19.520,0:43:25.440
    were a lot of fun and then we got more

    0:43:22.480,0:43:27.440
    involved in like battleship

    0:43:25.440,0:43:28.640
    then they came out with sub search which

    0:43:27.440,0:43:32.319
    was even better

    0:43:28.640,0:43:33.520
    joe if you remember star wars did a

    0:43:32.319,0:43:36.560
    version of that

    0:43:33.520,0:43:38.319
    where it was three tiers of ships yeah

    0:43:36.560,0:43:40.240
    and they just said it was like layers of

    0:43:38.319,0:43:43.119
    space instead of like underwater

    0:43:40.240,0:43:45.040
    yeah but such a great idea to like have

    0:43:43.119,0:43:47.440
    a three-dimensional like

    0:43:45.040,0:43:48.640
    battleship kind of game it always struck

    0:43:47.440,0:43:50.319
    me as though they were trying to

    0:43:48.640,0:43:52.800
    recapture like uh

    0:43:50.319,0:43:54.400
    three-dimensional chess from from star

    0:43:52.800,0:43:58.160
    trek with something like portrait

    0:43:54.400,0:43:59.839
    yeah yeah yeah absolutely so

    0:43:58.160,0:44:01.680
    we talk a lot about we’ve talked a lot

    0:43:59.839,0:44:03.680
    about classic games

    0:44:01.680,0:44:05.040
    are there modern games that you play now

    0:44:03.680,0:44:06.000
    like do you would you go out and buy a

    0:44:05.040,0:44:07.599
    game now

    0:44:06.000,0:44:09.280
    you know are they still making good

    0:44:07.599,0:44:11.680
    games oh they’re

    0:44:09.280,0:44:12.480
    they are they are making some great ones

    0:44:11.680,0:44:14.079
    um

    0:44:12.480,0:44:16.160
    what besides the ones that we mentioned

    0:44:14.079,0:44:18.560
    already uh there’s a couple that i do

    0:44:16.160,0:44:21.200
    want to give like honorable mentions to

    0:44:18.560,0:44:22.000
    and i i feel really bad because i don’t

    0:44:21.200,0:44:24.960
    have one of these

    0:44:22.000,0:44:26.640
    at home but it’s one that we’ve played

    0:44:24.960,0:44:28.000
    all the time that we ran the underground

    0:44:26.640,0:44:28.960
    layer and now we have a couple of

    0:44:28.000,0:44:32.000
    friends that have it

    0:44:28.960,0:44:35.200
    it’s a game called elfin land

    0:44:32.000,0:44:36.000
    um it’s a semi-cooperative game where

    0:44:35.200,0:44:37.839
    you are a young

    0:44:36.000,0:44:39.680
    elf going out into the world and

    0:44:37.839,0:44:41.440
    traveling and trying to visit as many

    0:44:39.680,0:44:44.720
    towns as you can

    0:44:41.440,0:44:47.440
    and it’s a lot trickier than it sounds

    0:44:44.720,0:44:47.440
    because you have

    0:44:48.319,0:44:52.319
    you to travel so it’s it’s a really

    0:44:50.800,0:44:54.560
    interesting concept

    0:44:52.319,0:44:56.240
    another game that we’ve enjoyed recently

    0:44:54.560,0:44:58.640
    was the castle panic

    0:44:56.240,0:45:00.079
    series which is now they also have a

    0:44:58.640,0:45:02.800
    star trek panic

    0:45:00.079,0:45:05.280
    um they have uh you know a bunch of

    0:45:02.800,0:45:08.640
    other ones like munchkin panic

    0:45:05.280,0:45:10.880
    uh and it’s uh again a semi-cooperative

    0:45:08.640,0:45:13.839
    game which we seem to be drawn to

    0:45:10.880,0:45:15.200
    uh and you and your teammates try to

    0:45:13.839,0:45:17.359
    prevent

    0:45:15.200,0:45:18.720
    in the case of castle panic goblins and

    0:45:17.359,0:45:19.760
    orcs and things from destroying your

    0:45:18.720,0:45:22.079
    castle

    0:45:19.760,0:45:24.480
    in the star trek sense you prevent the

    0:45:22.079,0:45:26.480
    romulans and klingons from attacking you

    0:45:24.480,0:45:28.079
    um so that’s a really fun one that’s a

    0:45:26.480,0:45:30.160
    relatively new one that’s only been like

    0:45:28.079,0:45:32.560
    the last 10 years that’s been out

    0:45:30.160,0:45:33.599
    uh there’s another one called formula d

    0:45:32.560,0:45:37.440
    racing

    0:45:33.599,0:45:40.079
    which is a huge game board

    0:45:37.440,0:45:41.760
    with race cars on it and as you roll

    0:45:40.079,0:45:44.480
    different sizes of dice

    0:45:41.760,0:45:46.079
    depending on what gear your car is in

    0:45:44.480,0:45:47.599
    and you have to change your dice

    0:45:46.079,0:45:49.520
    when you come around a corner to slow

    0:45:47.599,0:45:51.440
    down um that’s been

    0:45:49.520,0:45:53.200
    loads of fun we have a lot of i am

    0:45:51.440,0:45:56.240
    infamous for crashing my car

    0:45:53.200,0:45:58.400
    more times than not and uh i don’t win

    0:45:56.240,0:46:01.040
    very often

    0:45:58.400,0:46:03.760
    and and knowing you that must be painful

    0:46:01.040,0:46:03.760
    that you don’t win

    0:46:04.079,0:46:09.520
    no comment i’m a gracious loser

    0:46:11.839,0:46:17.520
    okay so our next question is what do you

    0:46:14.319,0:46:17.520
    think makes a good game

    0:46:17.920,0:46:22.240
    well i think we touched upon some of

    0:46:19.680,0:46:24.640
    that earlier in that

    0:46:22.240,0:46:26.240
    you need to have a challenge and you

    0:46:24.640,0:46:28.319
    need to push your limits a little bit

    0:46:26.240,0:46:31.520
    and make it a little bit exciting

    0:46:28.319,0:46:34.000
    there has to be um

    0:46:31.520,0:46:35.680
    some kind of either reward that you’re

    0:46:34.000,0:46:38.079
    striving for

    0:46:35.680,0:46:40.079
    either cooperatively or individually and

    0:46:38.079,0:46:42.800
    there has to be some kind of

    0:46:40.079,0:46:43.520
    threat or time or things moving against

    0:46:42.800,0:46:46.640
    you

    0:46:43.520,0:46:50.240
    that’s going to cause you to have to act

    0:46:46.640,0:46:51.599
    and i think that represents a lot of

    0:46:50.240,0:46:54.880
    what we have going on in life

    0:46:51.599,0:46:58.400
    too so isn’t that the truth so

    0:46:54.880,0:47:01.440
    based on those qualities have you ever

    0:46:58.400,0:47:01.440
    made your own game

    0:47:01.760,0:47:05.040
    you know it’s going to surprise you but

    0:47:03.040,0:47:05.920
    i have not that’s something that i

    0:47:05.040,0:47:09.119
    haven’t done

    0:47:05.920,0:47:12.240
    i have helped some friends with games

    0:47:09.119,0:47:15.200
    um in design

    0:47:12.240,0:47:16.160
    level stuff where they needed like

    0:47:15.200,0:47:18.160
    flavor text

    0:47:16.160,0:47:19.839
    or character backgrounds and things like

    0:47:18.160,0:47:22.559
    that um

    0:47:19.839,0:47:24.079
    we did a whole series uh with a friend

    0:47:22.559,0:47:26.400
    of mine for a sci-fi

    0:47:24.079,0:47:27.760
    uh game that he hasn’t been able to

    0:47:26.400,0:47:29.040
    obtain rights to yet so i don’t really

    0:47:27.760,0:47:31.040
    want to talk about it

    0:47:29.040,0:47:32.400
    but each one of the individual

    0:47:31.040,0:47:35.359
    characters in the game that

    0:47:32.400,0:47:37.119
    popped up on a card had a backstory and

    0:47:35.359,0:47:40.720
    a reason why they were

    0:47:37.119,0:47:41.680
    criminals let’s say and had to

    0:47:40.720,0:47:45.520
    participate

    0:47:41.680,0:47:45.520
    in this competition

    0:47:45.760,0:47:49.040
    but it was uh it’s a it was a fun

    0:47:48.079,0:47:51.119
    experience

    0:47:49.040,0:47:52.960
    um and i i would like to do more of it

    0:47:51.119,0:47:55.280
    but probably from a writing

    0:47:52.960,0:47:56.160
    standpoint as opposed to design sure

    0:47:55.280,0:47:58.800
    sure

    0:47:56.160,0:47:59.280
    that makes sense um so are there any

    0:47:58.800,0:48:06.880
    games

    0:47:59.280,0:48:10.079
    you think are underrated

    0:48:06.880,0:48:13.520
    that’s a tough one there are

    0:48:10.079,0:48:15.680
    um a lot of games that we’ve really

    0:48:13.520,0:48:17.359
    loved at the underground layer that

    0:48:15.680,0:48:19.520
    we’ve played

    0:48:17.359,0:48:21.200
    multiple times and i i will say that one

    0:48:19.520,0:48:22.079
    of the ones that we really fell in love

    0:48:21.200,0:48:25.599
    with

    0:48:22.079,0:48:26.240
    was roll for it um it’s such an easy

    0:48:25.599,0:48:29.680
    game

    0:48:26.240,0:48:31.760
    to learn and the box that it comes in

    0:48:29.680,0:48:34.880
    you could use it as a travel game

    0:48:31.760,0:48:36.000
    um it was a great game that we used to

    0:48:34.880,0:48:38.960
    segue

    0:48:36.000,0:48:41.040
    into the larger game like while we were

    0:48:38.960,0:48:43.680
    waiting for everyone to show up

    0:48:41.040,0:48:45.119
    on a game night you could have like two

    0:48:43.680,0:48:48.559
    or three or four people

    0:48:45.119,0:48:49.920
    play roll for it and they would be able

    0:48:48.559,0:48:51.280
    to get a couple of games in before

    0:48:49.920,0:48:52.559
    someone else would even show up for the

    0:48:51.280,0:48:55.119
    bigger game

    0:48:52.559,0:48:56.400
    um whereas something like munchkin

    0:48:55.119,0:48:58.720
    that’s that’s an evening

    0:48:56.400,0:48:59.520
    and you’re gonna be there for a while so

    0:48:58.720,0:49:03.040
    buckle up

    0:48:59.520,0:49:03.599
    that is true absolutely true so if you

    0:49:03.040,0:49:05.520
    had

    0:49:03.599,0:49:06.880
    to to pick what is your gaming

    0:49:05.520,0:49:09.760
    preference as far as

    0:49:06.880,0:49:11.200
    type of game are you a card gamer a

    0:49:09.760,0:49:14.160
    board gamer do you like

    0:49:11.200,0:49:15.280
    team based stuff dice games miniatures

    0:49:14.160,0:49:18.480
    role-playing

    0:49:15.280,0:49:20.079
    what’s your number one pick

    0:49:18.480,0:49:21.839
    well that’s tough joke you know we’ve

    0:49:20.079,0:49:24.160
    run the gamut over the years

    0:49:21.839,0:49:25.280
    yeah and and it does seem to kind of go

    0:49:24.160,0:49:28.559
    in trends i mean

    0:49:25.280,0:49:29.040
    we were doing the um the miniatures

    0:49:28.559,0:49:31.920
    games

    0:49:29.040,0:49:34.720
    for a while there and were really heavy

    0:49:31.920,0:49:37.040
    into it and and by that same token

    0:49:34.720,0:49:38.240
    i played magic the gathering for many

    0:49:37.040,0:49:41.200
    years too and my

    0:49:38.240,0:49:42.839
    friends and i were really into that and

    0:49:41.200,0:49:45.920
    uh

    0:49:42.839,0:49:47.760
    what tells us when we

    0:49:45.920,0:49:49.920
    need to change gears and go to a

    0:49:47.760,0:49:53.200
    different you know type of game or

    0:49:49.920,0:49:55.599
    or entertainment um

    0:49:53.200,0:49:56.720
    i used to do video games too but i just

    0:49:55.599,0:49:59.359
    don’t have time

    0:49:56.720,0:50:00.720
    as much time for that and in video games

    0:49:59.359,0:50:02.559
    i i know that

    0:50:00.720,0:50:04.000
    you know we can do like multiplayer

    0:50:02.559,0:50:05.119
    online stuff now

    0:50:04.000,0:50:06.800
    but there’s something about sitting

    0:50:05.119,0:50:08.400
    around a table at a board game that

    0:50:06.800,0:50:11.440
    that’s a little bit different than

    0:50:08.400,0:50:12.240
    when you’re behind a monitor and i

    0:50:11.440,0:50:14.800
    really like

    0:50:12.240,0:50:16.640
    you know laughing with the friends and

    0:50:14.800,0:50:19.359
    exchanging jokes and

    0:50:16.640,0:50:21.280
    and making fun of their moves and and

    0:50:19.359,0:50:24.640
    stuff like that and

    0:50:21.280,0:50:27.839
    uh i forgot what the question was what

    0:50:24.640,0:50:27.839
    was the question

    0:50:28.079,0:50:31.839
    what type of game would you pick if you

    0:50:30.000,0:50:34.800
    could pick one

    0:50:31.839,0:50:34.800
    all right um

    0:50:35.040,0:50:40.880
    i would say would probably be one of the

    0:50:38.240,0:50:41.359
    like military strategy combat games

    0:50:40.880,0:50:42.880
    we’ve

    0:50:41.359,0:50:45.119
    really had a lot of fun with them over

    0:50:42.880,0:50:47.359
    the years um

    0:50:45.119,0:50:49.200
    it’s a step up from risk and i know we

    0:50:47.359,0:50:51.040
    didn’t talk about that yet but that’s

    0:50:49.200,0:50:54.880
    not one of my favorite games

    0:50:51.040,0:50:56.400
    um but i think the idea that

    0:50:54.880,0:50:58.000
    some of these game companies took it to

    0:50:56.400,0:51:00.800
    the next level

    0:50:58.000,0:51:02.160
    and really made them interesting and

    0:51:00.800,0:51:04.000
    involved

    0:51:02.160,0:51:05.119
    and gave you some great pieces to move

    0:51:04.000,0:51:07.040
    around the board because who doesn’t

    0:51:05.119,0:51:10.079
    love little plastic pieces

    0:51:07.040,0:51:10.559
    um it really changed changed the way

    0:51:10.079,0:51:12.000
    that we

    0:51:10.559,0:51:13.839
    we looked at games and what our

    0:51:12.000,0:51:16.800
    expectations were

    0:51:13.839,0:51:17.280
    and and those are the ones that i go to

    0:51:16.800,0:51:20.319
    okay

    0:51:17.280,0:51:21.839
    fair enough alrighty so

    0:51:20.319,0:51:23.599
    now we’re going to go back to the

    0:51:21.839,0:51:27.520
    collecting aspect so

    0:51:23.599,0:51:27.520
    what inspired you to start collecting

    0:51:28.160,0:51:35.200
    well madison my inspiration was

    0:51:32.000,0:51:36.079
    to originally to accumulate the stuff

    0:51:35.200,0:51:38.559
    that i loved

    0:51:36.079,0:51:40.319
    but also to try to make some money and

    0:51:38.559,0:51:43.280
    the reason i wanted to make some money

    0:51:40.319,0:51:43.599
    was because one year for christmas i did

    0:51:43.280,0:51:46.800
    not

    0:51:43.599,0:51:47.359
    get my lost and space robot that i had

    0:51:46.800,0:51:50.000
    asked for

    0:51:47.359,0:51:51.520
    for consecutive years and finally i

    0:51:50.000,0:51:54.559
    decided to myself

    0:51:51.520,0:51:56.480
    self i’m gonna buy it myself so i

    0:51:54.559,0:51:57.359
    started collecting things and selling

    0:51:56.480,0:51:59.760
    them

    0:51:57.359,0:52:01.920
    making money and tried to save up to buy

    0:51:59.760,0:52:04.640
    my lawson space robot

    0:52:01.920,0:52:05.599
    that was the inspiration it did not work

    0:52:04.640,0:52:09.440
    out well

    0:52:05.599,0:52:12.880
    because about

    0:52:09.440,0:52:16.079
    30 years later before um some of my

    0:52:12.880,0:52:17.119
    close friends and loved ones and family

    0:52:16.079,0:52:19.520
    members

    0:52:17.119,0:52:21.119
    joined together to buy me said lost in

    0:52:19.520,0:52:24.960
    space robot

    0:52:21.119,0:52:27.520
    um you know it’s i was making money

    0:52:24.960,0:52:28.960
    doing my collectibles and stuff there’s

    0:52:27.520,0:52:30.559
    always car insurance

    0:52:28.960,0:52:32.960
    and then college funds and then you have

    0:52:30.559,0:52:34.960
    a family and it just never seemed the

    0:52:32.960,0:52:36.480
    lesson space robot always became the the

    0:52:34.960,0:52:39.040
    last priority so

    0:52:36.480,0:52:41.119
    it was tough but that’s why i started

    0:52:39.040,0:52:41.520
    and ultimately you did wind up getting

    0:52:41.119,0:52:45.280
    it

    0:52:41.520,0:52:47.599
    you know ultimately i did yes

    0:52:45.280,0:52:51.280
    and still have it yep you know see so

    0:52:47.599,0:52:51.280
    everybody loves a happy ending see

    0:52:51.440,0:52:56.000
    so in addition to that one how many

    0:52:54.720,0:53:00.319
    collectibles do you

    0:52:56.000,0:53:02.480
    estimate that you have oh god you didn’t

    0:53:00.319,0:53:02.480
    count

    0:53:04.400,0:53:08.400
    counting the comic books and magic cards

    0:53:07.359,0:53:11.760
    uh

    0:53:08.400,0:53:15.040
    i mean just let’s just say thousands

    0:53:11.760,0:53:15.040
    yeah thousands of

    0:53:15.359,0:53:20.480
    some would label that an obsession but a

    0:53:18.400,0:53:22.960
    healthy one

    0:53:20.480,0:53:23.680
    i don’t i don’t like to be utilized

    0:53:22.960,0:53:28.559
    blind

    0:53:23.680,0:53:31.680
    i don’t like labels now

    0:53:28.559,0:53:34.640
    um so do you just collect do you sell

    0:53:31.680,0:53:34.640
    and trade your items

    0:53:35.119,0:53:41.359
    i do trade some items and

    0:53:38.240,0:53:43.680
    sell some items yet again much more

    0:53:41.359,0:53:44.720
    when we weren’t having the restrictions

    0:53:43.680,0:53:46.880
    that we’ve had

    0:53:44.720,0:53:48.559
    i would love to be able to do comic book

    0:53:46.880,0:53:51.280
    and toy shows again

    0:53:48.559,0:53:51.760
    uh goodness knows i’ve got enough stuff

    0:53:51.280,0:53:53.680
    so

    0:53:51.760,0:53:56.160
    you know it’s probably great to thin

    0:53:53.680,0:53:58.079
    that out once in a while

    0:53:56.160,0:53:59.760
    the other thing that we didn’t really

    0:53:58.079,0:54:02.640
    talk about earlier

    0:53:59.760,0:54:04.079
    one of the great aspects of having the

    0:54:02.640,0:54:07.040
    store

    0:54:04.079,0:54:08.720
    was and joe you and i touched on this a

    0:54:07.040,0:54:11.839
    little bit

    0:54:08.720,0:54:13.920
    was helping other people find

    0:54:11.839,0:54:17.119
    that one item that they’re looking for

    0:54:13.920,0:54:21.040
    yeah and watching their face light up

    0:54:17.119,0:54:24.079
    when that piece that that missing piece

    0:54:21.040,0:54:26.319
    like shel silverstein said uh it just

    0:54:24.079,0:54:29.359
    feels that spot in their heart that

    0:54:26.319,0:54:30.480
    they had as a little kid finding that

    0:54:29.359,0:54:33.680
    toy or game

    0:54:30.480,0:54:36.079
    or stuffed animal or whatever it was

    0:54:33.680,0:54:38.000
    and finally you know having it again it

    0:54:36.079,0:54:40.000
    just i don’t know it just

    0:54:38.000,0:54:41.760
    gives you that warm fuzzy feeling so

    0:54:40.000,0:54:43.680
    that’s another reason why i really would

    0:54:41.760,0:54:46.240
    like to get back to

    0:54:43.680,0:54:48.480
    being able to give back some of this

    0:54:46.240,0:54:48.480
    stuff

    0:54:49.280,0:54:52.960
    there’s people out there looking for him

    0:54:50.640,0:54:55.359
    just like joe and i are

    0:54:52.960,0:54:57.359
    yeah and as a collector i’ve i’ve never

    0:54:55.359,0:54:59.680
    sold any of my collectors i

    0:54:57.359,0:55:01.119
    i almost got to the point in fact i

    0:54:59.680,0:55:03.839
    almost brokered through you

    0:55:01.119,0:55:05.599
    the sale of a couple of pieces um and i

    0:55:03.839,0:55:07.760
    was out of work a few years back but

    0:55:05.599,0:55:09.599
    fortunately

    0:55:07.760,0:55:11.680
    the situation turned itself around and i

    0:55:09.599,0:55:14.559
    didn’t have to sell anything

    0:55:11.680,0:55:15.440
    um and and i still hold on to most of

    0:55:14.559,0:55:18.400
    the stuff evan and

    0:55:15.440,0:55:19.920
    my goal was never to to make a profit on

    0:55:18.400,0:55:21.440
    anything it was really just to capture

    0:55:19.920,0:55:24.880
    that nostalgia

    0:55:21.440,0:55:26.240
    but since you did do it semi

    0:55:24.880,0:55:28.319
    well you did do it professionally

    0:55:26.240,0:55:31.440
    because you had a store

    0:55:28.319,0:55:34.400
    do you currently have any

    0:55:31.440,0:55:35.440
    high value items that you’re holding on

    0:55:34.400,0:55:37.920
    to that you wouldn’t

    0:55:35.440,0:55:38.880
    sell or wouldn’t sell unless the

    0:55:37.920,0:55:42.079
    conditions were

    0:55:38.880,0:55:45.040
    ideal well sure yeah

    0:55:42.079,0:55:46.000
    and and we we talked about that a little

    0:55:45.040,0:55:48.319
    bit earlier too

    0:55:46.000,0:55:49.520
    that my main obsession comic book wise

    0:55:48.319,0:55:53.920
    is spider-man

    0:55:49.520,0:55:57.040
    so that would be probably the most

    0:55:53.920,0:55:59.200
    valuable thing that i own is i have all

    0:55:57.040,0:56:02.720
    of the spider-man comic books

    0:55:59.200,0:56:04.559
    um some of which uh some of you guys

    0:56:02.720,0:56:07.200
    have gotten to hold and actually

    0:56:04.559,0:56:08.960
    see so uh that would probably be the

    0:56:07.200,0:56:11.839
    most expensive thing that i have

    0:56:08.960,0:56:12.240
    and and i can honestly say since i can’t

    0:56:11.839,0:56:16.079
    actually

    0:56:12.240,0:56:17.920
    pick up my car your one spider-man comic

    0:56:16.079,0:56:20.799
    was literally the most expensive thing

    0:56:17.920,0:56:20.799
    i’ve ever held

    0:56:21.440,0:56:24.720
    that’s that’s a pretty safe bet for a

    0:56:23.200,0:56:28.079
    lot of people yeah

    0:56:24.720,0:56:30.319
    yeah and uh very good condition

    0:56:28.079,0:56:31.280
    and i and i assume you’ve kept it in as

    0:56:30.319,0:56:33.599
    good a condition

    0:56:31.280,0:56:35.520
    you know in the 10 years since i saw it

    0:56:33.599,0:56:37.200
    you would expect nothing less

    0:56:35.520,0:56:38.559
    i imagine it doesn’t see the light of

    0:56:37.200,0:56:40.160
    day very often

    0:56:38.559,0:56:45.839
    it really doesn’t no it’s not something

    0:56:40.160,0:56:45.839
    i take out the thumb through you know

    0:56:47.040,0:56:53.200
    so um on the subject of some of your

    0:56:50.720,0:56:54.960
    more valuable items what’s the biggest

    0:56:53.200,0:56:56.839
    win of a collectible you’ve ever managed

    0:56:54.960,0:57:00.319
    to acquire

    0:56:56.839,0:57:03.760
    um well i would say one of my

    0:57:00.319,0:57:07.280
    favorite things that i found was

    0:57:03.760,0:57:07.920
    uh as a young collector uh i used to

    0:57:07.280,0:57:10.400
    frequent

    0:57:07.920,0:57:11.520
    yard sales in flea markets and my dad

    0:57:10.400,0:57:14.400
    would would

    0:57:11.520,0:57:15.680
    actually be running a shop down in

    0:57:14.400,0:57:18.160
    lahaska

    0:57:15.680,0:57:19.839
    uh on weekends so i would go down with

    0:57:18.160,0:57:21.599
    him occasionally

    0:57:19.839,0:57:23.280
    and this was when i was still you know

    0:57:21.599,0:57:26.079
    maybe 8 10

    0:57:23.280,0:57:26.799
    12 years old and i wandered into one of

    0:57:26.079,0:57:30.000
    the shops

    0:57:26.799,0:57:32.079
    and uh an older woman had a stack of

    0:57:30.000,0:57:34.480
    comics under the counter and she

    0:57:32.079,0:57:36.559
    allowed me to look through them and i

    0:57:34.480,0:57:38.160
    found one that i really wanted and i

    0:57:36.559,0:57:40.799
    gave her a quarter

    0:57:38.160,0:57:41.920
    and i walked out with it and walked very

    0:57:40.799,0:57:46.880
    quickly back to

    0:57:41.920,0:57:51.040
    my dad and it was a hulk number six

    0:57:46.880,0:57:53.520
    which um at the time was probably only

    0:57:51.040,0:57:54.480
    a couple of hundred dollars but it

    0:57:53.520,0:57:56.559
    really was like

    0:57:54.480,0:57:58.960
    one of the big wins of finding something

    0:57:56.559,0:58:01.440
    in the wild that you never saw

    0:57:58.960,0:58:03.119
    you know even behind the counter at a

    0:58:01.440,0:58:04.640
    comic show a lot of times

    0:58:03.119,0:58:08.000
    that was one of the best things that i

    0:58:04.640,0:58:10.640
    had found um another one was finding a

    0:58:08.000,0:58:12.000
    monsters drag race game in a thrift

    0:58:10.640,0:58:15.200
    store

    0:58:12.000,0:58:19.119
    for two dollars which i

    0:58:15.200,0:58:22.480
    then did trade to someone at a toy show

    0:58:19.119,0:58:24.880
    that was probably

    0:58:22.480,0:58:26.000
    four or five hundred dollar game at the

    0:58:24.880,0:58:27.680
    time wow

    0:58:26.000,0:58:30.319
    so you know you get every once in a

    0:58:27.680,0:58:32.799
    while you get a win yeah

    0:58:30.319,0:58:34.400
    so you’ve obviously run the gambit of

    0:58:32.799,0:58:35.440
    collectibles at this point in time

    0:58:34.400,0:58:37.680
    comics and

    0:58:35.440,0:58:40.319
    toys and everything else what are you

    0:58:37.680,0:58:41.040
    into right now as far as collectibles

    0:58:40.319,0:58:44.880
    what’s your

    0:58:41.040,0:58:44.880
    what are you targeting right now

    0:58:45.680,0:58:49.599
    believe it or not it does seem like

    0:58:47.680,0:58:50.319
    board games is one of the things that

    0:58:49.599,0:58:53.359
    i’m uh

    0:58:50.319,0:58:56.160
    really kind of looking at uh

    0:58:53.359,0:58:57.599
    we’ve had a lot of fun just doing our

    0:58:56.160,0:58:58.799
    gaming nights but we’re always looking

    0:58:57.599,0:59:01.119
    for something new

    0:58:58.799,0:59:02.880
    i know joe you’ve probably noticed by

    0:59:01.119,0:59:03.200
    now even though your eyes are drawn to

    0:59:02.880,0:59:05.839
    the

    0:59:03.200,0:59:07.040
    return to the jedi game but right next

    0:59:05.839,0:59:10.240
    to that you’ll see

    0:59:07.040,0:59:12.960
    a copy of the very rare uh

    0:59:10.240,0:59:14.640
    john carpenter’s the thing game and

    0:59:12.960,0:59:18.240
    it’ll be a second i’m gonna grab that

    0:59:14.640,0:59:21.520
    for you oh

    0:59:18.240,0:59:22.319
    i better grab this one too this was

    0:59:21.520,0:59:26.000
    another

    0:59:22.319,0:59:29.040
    surprise this past year and and

    0:59:26.000,0:59:31.680
    god love him for something like this

    0:59:29.040,0:59:33.440
    um let me find my camera there we go

    0:59:31.680,0:59:36.799
    you’re good you’re good

    0:59:33.440,0:59:40.400
    all right um the princess bride game uh

    0:59:36.799,0:59:41.760
    it recreates all the scenarios from the

    0:59:40.400,0:59:45.680
    movie

    0:59:41.760,0:59:47.760
    and allows you to play the characters

    0:59:45.680,0:59:48.880
    as they would have approached each

    0:59:47.760,0:59:51.440
    challenge

    0:59:48.880,0:59:53.040
    so you have the despair you have the

    0:59:51.440,0:59:56.480
    cliffs of insanity

    0:59:53.040,0:59:57.920
    you have the shrieking eels and you have

    0:59:56.480,0:59:59.359
    to do different things in order to get

    0:59:57.920,1:00:00.640
    through those scenarios and it’s a lot

    0:59:59.359,1:00:04.400
    of fun

    1:00:00.640,1:00:05.119
    um and then this one was a christmas

    1:00:04.400,1:00:09.280
    present

    1:00:05.119,1:00:12.480
    that just came out a couple of years ago

    1:00:09.280,1:00:15.599
    uh i had seen it at toy fair

    1:00:12.480,1:00:17.680
    tried to buy it they were sold out

    1:00:15.599,1:00:18.720
    tried to buy it at go games they were

    1:00:17.680,1:00:20.960
    sold out

    1:00:18.720,1:00:22.000
    then they stopped making it for a while

    1:00:20.960,1:00:27.040
    so this was

    1:00:22.000,1:00:29.680
    uh quite a fine this past year very good

    1:00:27.040,1:00:31.680
    this is very much similar and madison

    1:00:29.680,1:00:34.559
    you might be aware of this game um

    1:00:31.680,1:00:36.880
    there’s an online game called among us

    1:00:34.559,1:00:38.960
    oh yeah

    1:00:36.880,1:00:40.839
    you know basically the plot of that

    1:00:38.960,1:00:44.079
    right yeah

    1:00:40.839,1:00:45.839
    impossible that’s kind of the premise of

    1:00:44.079,1:00:47.359
    the thing and i know some of your other

    1:00:45.839,1:00:50.640
    viewers will know that

    1:00:47.359,1:00:53.920
    uh what happens is there’s a bunch of

    1:00:50.640,1:00:56.960
    scientists in the arctic

    1:00:53.920,1:00:59.920
    and they discover a flying saucer

    1:00:56.960,1:01:02.160
    and there’s a creature on there that

    1:00:59.920,1:01:04.319
    takes the place of one of the people

    1:01:02.160,1:01:05.359
    and they don’t know who it is right and

    1:01:04.319,1:01:08.000
    that name

    1:01:05.359,1:01:10.240
    one of you is the creature trying to

    1:01:08.000,1:01:11.839
    chase and eat the other ones

    1:01:10.240,1:01:14.000
    and you either have to escape or kill

    1:01:11.839,1:01:16.799
    the creature and it’s it’s really

    1:01:14.000,1:01:19.760
    like intense that’s cool that’s cool big

    1:01:16.799,1:01:21.200
    fan of the movie love the movie

    1:01:19.760,1:01:23.440
    yeah they did a really good job making

    1:01:21.200,1:01:25.680
    this creepy too that’s cool

    1:01:23.440,1:01:26.799
    and that’s hard to do with a board game

    1:01:25.680,1:01:28.319
    it is

    1:01:26.799,1:01:30.640
    so we’re kind of running up against the

    1:01:28.319,1:01:33.680
    clock here before we go

    1:01:30.640,1:01:35.440
    um did you have any advice for someone

    1:01:33.680,1:01:36.960
    madison’s age who

    1:01:35.440,1:01:38.799
    might want to start collecting and

    1:01:36.960,1:01:41.119
    doesn’t really know how to get into it

    1:01:38.799,1:01:42.319
    or is looking for a game that they might

    1:01:41.119,1:01:44.079
    be able to play with

    1:01:42.319,1:01:46.559
    their friends in a limited environment

    1:01:44.079,1:01:48.480
    or anything like that

    1:01:46.559,1:01:49.839
    there’s a there’s a great selection out

    1:01:48.480,1:01:53.119
    there i would say

    1:01:49.839,1:01:53.920
    one of your your options is to maybe go

    1:01:53.119,1:01:56.240
    to

    1:01:53.920,1:01:57.359
    some of these comic shows and

    1:01:56.240,1:02:00.079
    collectible shows

    1:01:57.359,1:02:01.760
    or even a comic shop and ask some of the

    1:02:00.079,1:02:02.880
    not only the owners or

    1:02:01.760,1:02:05.599
    people that are working behind the

    1:02:02.880,1:02:06.079
    counter but if you see uh someone had a

    1:02:05.599,1:02:08.480
    table

    1:02:06.079,1:02:10.319
    playing a game stick around and and

    1:02:08.480,1:02:12.559
    check it out because that’s a good way

    1:02:10.319,1:02:15.520
    of seeing one of those reviews those

    1:02:12.559,1:02:17.200
    game reviews in person

    1:02:15.520,1:02:18.880
    there’s a lot of options out there i

    1:02:17.200,1:02:19.359
    know that there aren’t a lot of toy

    1:02:18.880,1:02:22.319
    stores

    1:02:19.359,1:02:23.920
    anymore but you know barnes and noble

    1:02:22.319,1:02:25.440
    does a good job of putting a bunch of

    1:02:23.920,1:02:27.599
    different games out there

    1:02:25.440,1:02:29.280
    uh target does a great job they’ve

    1:02:27.599,1:02:30.720
    really you know kind of kept

    1:02:29.280,1:02:32.720
    stepped up their game this past year

    1:02:30.720,1:02:35.039
    with the board games um

    1:02:32.720,1:02:36.559
    we don’t have we don’t have kitty city

    1:02:35.039,1:02:39.359
    we don’t have toys r us

    1:02:36.559,1:02:41.119
    we don’t have kb toys anymore but you

    1:02:39.359,1:02:42.799
    know you’ll have like a go games at

    1:02:41.119,1:02:46.000
    christmas time that you can maybe

    1:02:42.799,1:02:48.559
    find some cool stuff at um

    1:02:46.000,1:02:49.200
    and then just go with what you really

    1:02:48.559,1:02:51.359
    enjoy

    1:02:49.200,1:02:53.200
    i mean we’ve had a lot of success with

    1:02:51.359,1:02:56.240
    that joe as far as you know

    1:02:53.200,1:02:57.440
    your love of star wars uh michelle’s

    1:02:56.240,1:03:00.559
    love of buffy

    1:02:57.440,1:03:02.160
    um you know us with you know any of the

    1:03:00.559,1:03:04.240
    other games that we’ve brought over to

    1:03:02.160,1:03:06.720
    you guys um

    1:03:04.240,1:03:08.960
    see what your friends like check it out

    1:03:06.720,1:03:10.400
    um there’s such a variety of games out

    1:03:08.960,1:03:11.440
    there right now you’re bound to find

    1:03:10.400,1:03:13.920
    something you like

    1:03:11.440,1:03:15.359
    awesome awesome well we’ll be right back

    1:03:13.920,1:03:17.420
    and we’ll get

    1:03:15.359,1:03:23.200
    madison’s closing remarks

    1:03:17.420,1:03:25.920
    [Music]

    1:03:23.200,1:03:28.839
    okay so for my closing remarks today i’m

    1:03:25.920,1:03:32.480
    just going to say to everyone out there

    1:03:28.839,1:03:35.760
    um play some games you don’t have to

    1:03:32.480,1:03:38.000
    always do it with people because

    1:03:35.760,1:03:39.520
    of course restricted environment but try

    1:03:38.000,1:03:41.760
    it out for yourself

    1:03:39.520,1:03:44.000
    try out some single player games and if

    1:03:41.760,1:03:46.160
    you can try out some group games

    1:03:44.000,1:03:48.720
    be creative with how you can play them

    1:03:46.160,1:03:50.720
    and try out new games and see if

    1:03:48.720,1:03:51.760
    and i’m sure there’s something you’ll

    1:03:50.720,1:03:54.799
    like

    1:03:51.760,1:03:58.079
    all right great advice uh

    1:03:54.799,1:04:00.000
    dan again i want to thank you for uh

    1:03:58.079,1:04:01.599
    joining us today it’s been a pleasure

    1:04:00.000,1:04:04.799
    it’s been insightful

    1:04:01.599,1:04:06.400
    entertaining educational

    1:04:04.799,1:04:08.000
    of course thank you so much for having

    1:04:06.400,1:04:09.440
    me guys i really enjoyed it

    1:04:08.000,1:04:13.839
    most of our entertainment was the your

    1:04:09.440,1:04:13.839
    mom joke but

    1:04:14.880,1:04:18.400
    exactly exactly so that’s it for this

    1:04:17.680,1:04:20.799
    week

    1:04:18.400,1:04:22.640
    uh we’ll be back uh we won’t be

    1:04:20.799,1:04:24.880
    recording this weekend because this will

    1:04:22.640,1:04:27.280
    be this weekend’s podcast but

    1:04:24.880,1:04:28.799
    we’ll be back the following week so

    1:04:27.280,1:04:30.000
    thank you for joining us on our special

    1:04:28.799,1:04:34.950
    100th

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    episode and that’s it another one in the

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    [Music]

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