Insights Into Entertainment: Episode 122 “Smells Like Treasures, Tributes and Resurrections”

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Today in our Disney Detective, Walt Disney’s Personal Plane Remains Abandoned at Disney World, Imagineer Rolly Crump on Museum of the Weird, the scariest Disneyland attraction ever envisioned

In our Tales from the Edge of the Galaxy, We finally learned how Palpatine survived and returned in ‘Rise of Skywalker’, Andor Star Wars Show Reportedly Wraps Filming

And for our Entertainment News, Nirvana sued by the baby from Nevermind’s album cover, Drummer Charlie Watts, Rolling Stones backbone, dies at 80

And as always we’ll finish up with our Insightful Picks of the week….and some afterthoughts

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[INTRO THEME]

[INTRODUCTIONS] (2-3 minutes)

  • Insights Into Entertainment: Episode 122 “Smells Like Treasures, Tributes and Resurrections” 
  • My creative and talented co-host Michelle Whalen

[SHOW SUMMARY] (2-3 minutes)

  • Today in our Disney Detective, Walt Disney’s Personal Plane Remains Abandoned at Disney World, Imagineer Rolly Crump on Museum of the Weird, the scariest Disneyland attraction ever envisioned
  • In our Tales from the Edge of the Galaxy, We finally learned how Palpatine survived and returned in ‘Rise of Skywalker’, Andor Star Wars Show Reportedly Wraps Filming
  • And for our Entertainment News, Nirvana sued by the baby from Nevermind’s album cover, Drummer Charlie Watts, Rolling Stones backbone, dies at 80
  • And as always we’ll finish up with our Insightful Picks of the week….and some afterthoughts

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[SEGMENT 1: Disney Detective] (8-12 minutes)

  • Walt Disney’s Personal Plane Remains Abandoned at Disney World
  • https://insidethemagic.net/2021/08/walt-disney-plane-abandoned-ad1/?fbclid=IwAR003R4ZKuEtSPl1O8MaoYeiaBHGXqkhWhCsCUQElG6WK_SSF2vdxaoSnZ4
  • https://bit.ly/3ktel7z 
    • With the majority of Walt Disney World always looking magical, it is hard to imagine that there are sections that may look a little abandoned.
      • With Disney World being the size of San Francisco, there is plenty of room to place things that may not be in use. 
    • In the past, we have talked about the now abandoned airport that was active on property for a few years. 
      • There has also been an entire water park, River Country, that was empty for many years, and before Disney’s Art of Animation was built, the space was home to what many Guests called a “ghost hotel” as it was abandoned during construction.
    • Now, it seems that Walt Disney’s personal airplane, the Grumman G-159 Gulfstream 1, which Walt used to travel between Burbank and Orlando, is looking rather unattended to as well. 
      • Walt’s airplane currently sits in a service area north of Disney’s Animal Kingdom.
      • In a recent snapshot from photographer Bioreconstruct (@bioreconstruct), we can see that the cover on the plane is starting to come apart, which could be cause for water pooling in the aircraft casing.
      • Seems like part of the tail is exposed, and rain could be collecting inside if plastic is well-sealed below.
    • Hopefully, the exposed area of the covering has not caused any damage to the plane’s exterior. 
      • It almost seems wrong not to have the plane in an area that Guests can look at!
    • Theme Park Architect (@ParkArchitect) responded to the Tweet with an interesting update on why the plane was moved and why it has not moved since.
      • It was repainted when we started the DHS expansion and at one point it was planned for relocation to Glendale but no one wanted to fund the shipping cost. 
      • Disney optioned it to Florida air museums but no takers. 
      • The inside is gutted. This is where it landed (pun intended).
  • Imagineer Rolly Crump on Museum of the Weird, the scariest Disneyland attraction ever envisioned
  • https://www.sfgate.com/disneyland/article/Imagineer-Rolly-Crump-on-Musuem-of-the-Weird-the-16400912.php?fbclid=IwAR3B6TdtHAH_pZgqjEhibKLvD1HXXV-5aRX2rbSsWy65U_HDTde_OEs36Bo
  • https://bit.ly/3sZpgd3 
    • Walt Disney always knew he wanted to have a spooky attraction in Disneyland, but beyond that, he didn’t know what he wanted for what would eventually become the Haunted Mansion. 
      • In assembling the team tasked with conceiving it, he paired legendary Imagineer Yale Gracey, who pioneered many of the effects in the Pirates of the Caribbean ride, with a younger Imagineer, Rolly Crump, who was newer to the team but who had caught Disney’s attention with his innovations working in the animation studio.
        • “We weren’t really given too much direction on the project,” Crump — the last living original Haunted Mansion Imagineer, who later designed attractions like The Enchanted Tiki Room and parts of Epcot — wrote in his memoir “It’s Kind of a Cute Story.” 
        • “At the time, they still didn’t really know what they wanted it to be,” Crump added in the book, “so they just kind of set us loose. … Walt just wanted us to be left alone, and he gave us the freedom to do whatever we wanted. We had our own little studio that we just filled with all sorts of crazy stuff.”
    • What the team got from Gracey and Crump was much scarier than expected. 
      • So much, in fact, that the custodians at WED Enterprises (the department that would eventually become Walt Disney Imagineering, which creates new Disney attractions) refused to go into that studio to clean at night. 
      • Crump, who has a reputation as a prankster, relayed the story in the Haunted Mansion episode of “Beyond the Attraction.”
        • “We got a call from personnel one day and they said, ‘The janitors would like to have you leave the lights on in that room,’” Crump said on the show. 
        • “When you turn the lights out it was pretty spooky because a lot of stuff was lit with black light, which meant it glowed in the dark. 
        • So Yale and I said, ‘If that’s the case we’ll do a little something there.’ 
        • We rigged the whole room. 
        • We had the whole thing on a little timer and we triggered the whole thing to go off during the night. 
        • We got a call from personnel the next day saying, ‘They’re never coming back. You’re going to have to clean up your room yourself.’”
        • “It was the happiest time of my life,” Crump, now 91, told SFGATE. 
        • Not the prank in particular, but working directly with Walt Disney and having the creative freedom to do whatever he wanted, inspired by a man he (and many others) considered an inspiring visionary. “It was a great job,” he added. “You were thrilled to do what you were doing. I was, anyway.”
    • So in Crump’s view, he was doing exactly what Walt asked for when he designed elements for his envisioned Haunted Mansion that were more scary than anyone bargained for. 
      • “It was Walt’s idea,” Crump said. 
      • “He loved all that. 
      • He loved to scare people. 
      • He said, ‘People love being scared,’ and that one of the things we should be doing is to scare people.”
    • Not everyone agreed, though, and there was a significant amount of infighting among the ranking Imagineers about what the Haunted Mansion should be. 
      • Some felt it should be jokey and fun, and some felt it should be spooky but not scary. 
      • But following the assignment from the boss, the younger Crump wanted it to be bone-chilling.
    • The Imagineers who wanted a more family-friendly haunted house hated those ideas. 
      • “So there was a little battle there,” Crump described.
      • When the day came to pitch Haunted Mansion ideas to Walt, the older guys put Crump’s “weird” work in the back, where Walt was unlikely to see it. 
      • He did, though, and in Crump’s recollection in “Beyond the Attraction,” he said that Walt was upset with him because he didn’t get “an ounce of sleep” the night after he looked at all of those creepy creations.
        • “The next day, what happened was Walt came in and said, ‘OK, we’re going to do a Museum of the Weird, that’s where we’re going to use all that funny stuff you showed me yesterday,’” 
        • “All he had to do was go home and spend some time with himself and he’d come up with everything. 
        • He was a delight to work with.”
        • “You never felt like you worked for Walt,” he added. 
        • “You felt like you worked with Walt because that’s the way he made you feel. 
        • He encouraged your creativity. 
        • He was part of the magic. 
        • He was part of everything we did.”
    • The museum would have been attached to the Haunted Mansion, as a continuation of the creepy vibe of the ride. 
      • Crump and Disney envisioned it as a walk-through you could explore after the ride was over, sort of like an interactive ride queue, but after the ride. 
      • The closest thing today that exists to Museum of the Weird is the Yeti Museum that’s part of the Expedition Everest ride queue in Disney’s Animal Kingdom in Orlando, where there’s a cast of a purportedly real Yeti footprint.
    • All this concept work for Haunted Mansion and the Museum of the Weird was being done in the early 1960s. 
      • The exterior of the ride was complete in 1963 — but when Disney signed the company up to be a major part of the 1964 World’s Fair in New York, work on those attractions stopped in favor of preparing four attractions for the fair. 
      • Crump was moved to a project designing The Tower of the Four Winds, a moving sculpture that stood in front of It’s a Small World, where the ride debuted before being moved to the park. 
        • (The World’s Fair also debuted Great Moments with Mr. Lincoln, a Magic Skyway that was never installed at the park and the Carousel of Progress, which is now at Walt Disney World. It was a crucial moment in Disneyland’s development and public exposure.)
    • Even though work stopped for years so the Imagineers could focus on the World’s Fair, Disney didn’t forget about the Haunted Mansion or the Museum of the Weird. 
      • “We’re going to have man-eating plants,” Crump explained in a 1965 episode of “Walt Disney’s Wonderful World of Color,”, “and we’re going to have a coffin clock here that we’re working on right now.” 
      • Even though most of it came from his imagination, Crump added that they’d be collecting from all over the world, “just the weirdest things we can find.” 
      • “We’re also collecting real ghosts to bring in here,” Disney added.
    • But the museum met with a tragic end of its own. 
      • In 1966, Walt Disney died of lung cancer. 
      • Because Disney was the champion of a project that none of the other Imagineers liked — except Crump, of course — the powers that be killed the project, eliminating it from the final version of the Haunted Mansion, which opened in 1969.
        • “You have to understand something: People were not happy with it to begin with,” Crump told SFGATE. “Nobody wanted to do it. It was Walt’s idea to begin with.”
    • Some of Crump’s original ideas did end up being used in the Haunted Mansion, including sconces made of hands holding torches. 
      • The organist who disappears and reappears is inspired by a disappearing skeleton playing an organ from his design. 
      • The iconic wallpaper in the hallway scene, made of all those unblinking eyes staring out at passersby, was adapted from one of Rolly’s Museum of the Weird designs. 
        • In the years that followed, “the museum has had a cult following,” Crump explained. 
        • “We knew that it was popular. 
        • If Walt had lived, we would have done it.”
    • To this day, the museum has a special place in Disney mythology.  
      • Fans are fascinated by the macabre attraction, the scariest ever envisioned by Disney. 
      • Marvel made a comic book, “Seekers of the Weird,” based on the museum. (Crump wrote the introduction, but wasn’t consulted on the project otherwise.)
    • Madame Zarkov, a Romani seer whom Crump designed into the museum on her traveling fortune teller’s wagon (that was also full of ghosts), was written into the Society of Explorers and Adventurers, the secret society from the Jungle Cruise. 
      • There’s a reference to her on Big Thunder Mountain in Walt Disney World, where there’s a letter in the ride queue saying the S.E.A. consulted with Madame Zarkov about something supernatural happening inside the mine. 
      • There’s another reference to her in Mystic Manor, Hong Kong Disneyland’s version of Haunted Mansion. 
      • Wikipedia will tell you that the museum was envisioned to be a restaurant accompanying the Haunted Mansion the same way Blue Bayou is integrated into Pirates of the Caribbean. “Never,” Crump said when asked if that was ever a consideration. “Never.”
    • Right now, there’s an exhibit inside the Great Moments with Mr. Lincoln building on Main Street U.S.A. in Disneyland celebrating the 50th anniversary of the Haunted Mansion (which happened in 2019 but, you know, pandemic). 
      • The exhibit has early concept artwork for the ride, including some of Crump’s original drawings, like the one that eventually became that eerie eyes wallpaper.

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[SEGMENT 2: Tales from the Edge of the Galaxy] (8-12 minutes)

  • We finally learned how Palpatine survived and returned in ‘Rise of Skywalker’
  • https://www.deseret.com/2021/8/22/22634067/star-wars-palpatine-survive-create-clones
  • https://bit.ly/3gvPe2y 
    • “Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker” came out about two years ago. 
      • Since then, we’ve been wondering how Palpatine survived his dramatic death in “Return of the Jedi” only to return in “Rise of Skywalker.”
      • Now, thanks to a blog post on StarWars.com, we have an official explanation for how it happened.
    • How did Palpatine survive his death?
      • Palpatine was always worried about losing his power. 
      • He created “The Contingency,” a plan that would help him reclaim the Empire if he were ever killed.
      • “The Contingency” started with Operation: Cinder, which included sentinel droids destroying Imperial and New Republic locations that held sensitive information.
      • When Palpatine died, his consciousness was transferred to a clone on the planet Exegol, where he had been previously studying immortality. 
        • However, the body was too weak to hold his consciousness. 
        • So they built more clones that could be a strong vessel for him.
    • This led to Snoke’s creation. 
      • Snoke was made to lead the First Order, which would then work to bring Rey — Palpatine’s granddaughter — to Palpatine since she could act as a vessel to contain Palpatine’s consciousness.
      • This led to the climactic battle between Rey and Palpatine as seen in “The Rise of Skywalker.” 
      • Palpatine fought his granddaughter to make sure he could use her body as a vessel. 
      • Rey aligned with the Jedi, looking to stop Palpatine.
      • So, there you go. 
      • That’s it. 
      • That’s what happened with Palpatine.
    • It’s a little confusing and probably would have been hard to explain on screen. 
      • At least we have an official explanation about the creation of Snoke and how Palpatine returned in “Rise of Skywalker.” 
    • There has long been a debate about how Palpatine returned because “Rise of Skywalker” never really explained it. 
      • In fact, According to reports, the “Rise of Skywalker” novelization explained that Emperor Palpatine was actually a clone and not a resurrected body.
    • Here’s an excerpt from the book:
      • “All the vials were of empty liquid save one, which was nearly depleted. 
      • Kylo peered closer. 
      • He’d seen this apparatus before, too, when he’d studied the Clone Wars as a boy. 
      • The liquid flowing into the living nightmare before him was fighting a losing battle to sustain the Emperor’s putrid flesh.”
    • “Star Wars” actor Ian McDiarmid, who played Palpatine, said at Comic Con Brussels that he wasn’t a clone, too.
      • “Well, of course, there were all sorts of explanations for why I might return. 
      • I think I can reveal something. 
      • At one point, the script had the line in that first scene with Adam (Driver) where he says ‘You’re a clone’ and I said in that original script, which is no longer with us, ‘More than a clone, less than a man,’ which seemed to me to sum it up because we knew that the camera has already snaked past the clone tank in which there are various versions of Snoke that you probably noticed.”
    • Palpatine’s return was always in the books for the final Skywalker Saga film. 
      • Director J.J. Abrams told Uproxx that there were always plans to bring back Emperor Palpatine during “The Rise of Skywalker.”
        • “Well, when you look at this as nine chapters of a story, perhaps the weirder thing would be if Palpatine didn’t return,” Abrams said. 
        • “You just look at what he talks about, who he is, how important he is, what the story is — strangely, his absence entirely from the third trilogy would be conspicuous.”
  • Andor Star Wars Show Reportedly Wraps Filming
  • https://screenrant.com/star-wars-andor-show-filming-wrap-updates/ 
  • https://bit.ly/2WoBVu0 
    • Disney+’s upcoming Star Wars spinoff show, Andor, has reportedly wrapped up filming. 
      • The show will serve as a prequel to Gareth Edward’s 2016 film Rogue One, and will follow the story of Cassian Andor (Diego Luna) during his early years with the Rebel Alliance. 
      • Little is known about the show’s plot or characters apart from a brief Andor sizzle reel shown late last year, which teased that the show would be a “spy thriller.”
    • In-universe, Cassian’s history is tragic. 
      • As he reveals to Jyn Erso (Felicity Jones) in Rogue One, his struggle against the Empire was a lifelong one. 
      • He first came into conflict with Palpatine’s war machine during the Clone Wars at the age of 6, when the Empire was still referred to as the Galactic Republic. 
      • Throughout the course of the film, Cassian’s Machiavellian “the ends justify the means” philosophies paint a picture of a man that will fight to achieve peace at any cost. 
      • With all these ingredients in place, Andor has potential to further flesh out one of the more compelling and morally gray characters from Rogue One.
    • A recent report from Star Wars scooper Bespin Bulletin claims that filming for Andor has wrapped. 
      • Their sources claim that “various members of production having their own wrap parties and confirmed that filming had concluded.” 
      • They report:
        • After speaking with multiple sources I can confirm that Andor has finally wrapped.
        • Last week I checked in with my Pinewood Studios sources on the Andor production on August 18th and they were very much still busy filming which I first mentioned on my podcast, BOB The Podcast earlier this week. 
        • On August 20th I checked in once again to learn that multiple cast members had wrapped, including some that had been filming for several months, but did not get confirmation that the production was finished or that leading man Diego Luna had concluded filming. 
        • However over the weekend sources gave me the green light on Luna, referenced various members of production having their own wrap parties and confirmed that filming had concluded. 
        • I’ve even been fortunate enough to see some sets being taken down.
    • Andor sets itself apart from Disney+’s other Star Wars spinoff shows in that it was filmed on-location, rather than in the VR Volume set used for The Book of Boba Fett, The Mandalorian and the upcoming Obi-Wan Kenobi series. 
      • Because of the production’s outdoor shoots, set leaks for Andor have been much more common than the other series as well. 
      • It’s clear from these pictures that the production designers for the show are taking many of their aesthetic cues from the design of Rogue One, with many trooper variants and Imperial aesthetics returning making the jump from film to show.
    • Compared to other upcoming Star Wars TV shows, hype and interest in Andor has seemingly been tepid at best. 
      • This is despite Rogue One being a critical and commercial success for Lucasfilm. 
      • That said, Cassian is considered one of the better characters in the movie thanks to his moral ambiguity painting the Rebellion in a darker light. 
      • It’s worth remembering The Bad Batch earned mixed reactions following its initial announcement, yet that show has more than justified its existence with arguably one of the strongest first seasons of Star Wars animation. 
      • The Bad Batch is proof that no story is inherently bad as long as it succeeds in execution; hopefully Andor took some notes along the way.

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[SEGMENT 3: Entertainment News] (8-12 minutes)

  • Nirvana sued by the baby from Nevermind’s album cover
  • https://www.bbc.com/news/entertainment-arts-58327844
  • https://bbc.in/3Df3mXL 
    • Spencer Elden, the man who was photographed as a baby on the album cover for Nirvana’s Nevermind, is suing the band alleging sexual exploitation.
      • The cover depicts Elden as a four-month-old in a swimming pool, grasping for a dollar bill that’s being dangled in front of him on a fishing line.
      • Now 30, Elden says his parents never signed a release authorising the use of his image on the album.
      • He also alleges the nude image constitutes child pornography.
        • “The images exposed Spencer’s intimate body part and lasciviously displayed Spencer’s genitals from the time he was an infant to the present day,” legal papers filed in California claim.
    • Non-sexualised photos of infants are generally not considered child pornography under US law.
      • However, Elden’s lawyer, Robert Y. Lewis, argues that the inclusion of the dollar bill (which was superimposed after the photograph was taken) makes the minor seem “like a sex worker”.
      • The legal case also alleges that Nirvana had promised to cover Elden’s genitals with a sticker, but the agreement was not upheld.
      • Elden alleges his “true identity and legal name are forever tied to the commercial sexual exploitation he experienced as a minor which has been distributed and sold worldwide from the time he was a baby to the present day”.
      • He claims he “has suffered and will continue to suffer lifelong damages” as a result of the artwork, including “extreme and permanent emotional distress” as well as “interference with his normal development and educational progress” and “medical and psychological treatment”.
      • He is asking for damages of at least $150,000 from each of the 15 defendants, who include surviving band members Dave Grohl and Krist Novoselic; the managers of Kurt Cobain’s estate; Cobain’s former wife Courtney Love; and photographer Kirk Weddle.
      • Representatives for Nirvana and their record labels have yet to respond to the claims.
    • Elden has recreated the album cover several times as a teenager and adult – always wearing swimming trunks – to mark Nevermind’s 10th, 20th and 25th anniversaries.
      • However, he has sometimes expressed ambivalence about the photoshoot. 
      • In 2016, he told Time Magazine that he “got a little upset” about his notoriety as he grew older.
        • “I just woke up already being a part of this huge project,” he said. “It’s pretty difficult – you feel like you’re famous for nothing.
        • “It’s hard not to get upset when you hear how much money was involved,” he continued. “[When] I go to a baseball game and think about it: ‘Man, everybody at this baseball game has probably seen my little baby penis,’ I feel like I got part of my human rights revoked.”
    • In other interviews, he has been more upbeat about the image.
      • “It’s always been a positive thing and opened doors for me,” he told the Guardian six years ago. 
      • “I’m 23 now and an artist, and this story gave me an opportunity to work with Shepard Fairey for five years, which was an awesome experience. 
      • He is a huge music connoisseur: when he heard I was the Nirvana baby, he thought that was really cool.”
    • In 2008, Spencer’s father Rick recounted the photo shoot to US radio network NPR, saying he had been offered $200 to take part by Weddle, who was a family friend.
      • “We just had a big party at the pool, and no one had any idea what was going on!”
      • The family quickly forgot the photoshoot until, three months later, they saw the Nevermind album cover blown up on the wall of Tower Records in Los Angeles.
      • Two months after that, NPR’s article said, “Geffen Records sent 1-year-old Spencer Elden a platinum album and a teddy bear”.
      • The album, which included the hits Smells Like Teen Spirit, Come As You Are and Lithium, went on to sell 30 million copies around the world.
  • Drummer Charlie Watts, Rolling Stones backbone, dies at 80
  • https://apnews.com/article/rolling-stones-charlie-watts-died-c9551b21e2806b679bd0eeec0bb4ef2b
  • https://bit.ly/38dI3Ym 
    • Charlie Watts, the self-effacing and unshakeable Rolling Stones drummer who helped anchor one of rock’s greatest rhythm sections and used his “day job” to support his enduring love of jazz, has died, according to his publicist. 
    • He was 80.
      • Bernard Doherty said Tuesday that Watts “passed away peacefully in a London hospital earlier today surrounded by his family.”
      • “Charlie was a cherished husband, father and grandfather and also as a member of The Rolling Stones one of the greatest drummers of his generation,” Doherty said.
    • Watts had announced he would not tour with the Stones in 2021 because of an undefined health issue.
      • The quiet, elegantly dressed Watts was often ranked with Keith Moon, Ginger Baker and a handful of others as a premier rock drummer, respected worldwide for his muscular, swinging style as the Stones rose from their scruffy beginnings to international superstardom. 
      • He joined the band early in 1963 and remained for nearly 60 years, ranked just behind Mick Jagger and Keith Richards as the group’s longest lasting and most essential member.
    • Watts stayed on, and largely held himself apart, through the drug abuse, creative clashes and ego wars that helped kill founding member Brian Jones, drove bassist Bill Wyman and Jones’ replacement Mick Taylor to quit and otherwise made being in the Stones a most exhausting job.
      • A classic Stones song like “Brown Sugar” and “Start Me Up” often began with a hard guitar riff from Richards, with Watts following closely behind, and Wyman, as the bassist liked to say, “fattening the sound.” 
      • Watts’ speed, power and time keeping were never better showcased than during the concert documentary, “Shine a Light,” when director Martin Scorsese filmed “Jumpin’ Jack Flash” from where he drummed toward the back of the stage.
    • The Stones began, Watts said, “as white blokes from England playing Black American music” but quickly evolved their own distinctive sound. 
      • Watts was a jazz drummer in his early years and never lost his affinity for the music he first loved, heading his own jazz band and taking on numerous other side projects.
    • Watts didn’t care for flashy solos or attention of any kind, but with Wyman and Richards forged some of rock’s deepest grooves on “Honky Tonk Women,” “Brown Sugar” and other songs. 
      • The drummer adapted well to everything from the disco of “Miss You” to the jazzy “Can’t You Hear Me Knocking” and the dreamy ballad “Moonlight Mile.”
    • Jagger and Richards at times seemed to agree on little else besides their admiration of Watts, both as a man and a musician. 
      • Richards called Watts “the key” and often joked that their affinity was so strong that on stage he’d sometimes try to rattle Watts by suddenly changing the beat — only to have Watts change it right back.
    • Watts found refuge from the rock life, marrying Shirley Ann Shepherd in 1964 and having a daughter, Seraphina, soon after. While other famous rock marriages crumbled, theirs held. 
      • Jagger and Richards could only envy their bandmate’s indifference to stardom and relative contentment in his private life, which included happily tending horses on a rural estate in Devon, England.

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[SEGMENT 4: Insightful Picks of the Week] (8-12 minutes)

  • Michelle 
    • Broadway beyond the Golden age
    • PBS
    • https://www.pbs.org/wnet/gperf/broadway-beyond-the-golden-age-about/12810/?gclid=Cj0KCQjwjo2JBhCRARIsAFG667VpkWqaS8OMB4HJfkUKoNu1PVMrIvwNB9Zk3aA5SsijFgD3VzYwDV4aAn1dEALw_wcB
    • https://to.pbs.org/2XY8X4E 
      • Great Performances – Broadway: Beyond the Golden Age explores the world of Broadway from 1959 through the early 1980s as recounted by a diverse cast of Broadway stars who lived through it, creating a first-hand archive of personal backstage stories and memories. Written, directed and produced by the late filmmaker Rick McKay and hosted by two-time Tony Award nominee Jonathan Groff, the new documentary is the long-awaited sequel to McKay’s award-winning 2003 film Broadway: The Golden Age – By the Legends Who Were There. This follow-up to McKay’s acclaimed oral history of Broadway continues the saga into the 60s and 70s, spotlighting beloved classic Broadway shows including “Once Upon a Mattress,” “Bye Bye Birdie,” “Barefoot in the Park,” “Pippin,” “A Chorus Line,” “Ain’t Misbehavin’,” “Chicago” and “42nd Street.” Particular focus is placed on famed directors and choreographers Gower Champion, Bob Fosse, George Abbott and Michael Bennett with anecdotes from 1959’s “Once Upon A Mattress” through 1983 when “A Chorus Line” became the longest-running show in Broadway history. Featuring a galaxy of stars including Alec Baldwin, Carol Burnett, Glenn Close, André De Shields, Jane Fonda, Robert Goulet, Liza Minnelli, Chita Rivera, Dick Van Dyke, Ben Vereen and many more, the film also includes rare archival photos and never-before-seen footage both onstage and off.
  • Joe
    • Top Secret UFO Projects Declassified
    • https://www.netflix.com/browse?jbv=81018709
    • https://bit.ly/3zoIScY 
      • Top Secret UFO Projects: Declassified, the six-episode series features interviews with experts on alien sightings and Project Blue Book, the U.S. Air Force’s investigation into UFOs that went on from the early 1950s to the late 1960s.
      • Produced in a documentary style the series covers reported alien events in thematic fashion from supposedly unknown details from Project Blue Book to Soviet Secrets.
      • Using news accounts, witness testimony, subject matter experts, leaked documentation and dramatic recreations the show attempts to depict various accounts of extraterrestrial encounters over the six part series.
      • Personally I consider myself an optimistic skeptic when it comes to UFOs’.
      • I don’t generally consume these types of programs to feed some search for truth or revelation.
      • Instead I enjoy picking out the cultural references, historical data and general state of mind of the individuals involved in these types of accounts.

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welcome to insights and entertainment

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this is episode 122.

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smells like treasures tributes and

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resurrections

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i’m your host joseph whalen and my

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creative and talented co-host michelle

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whalen

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hi everyone how you doing today dear

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tired how are you tired you’re always

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tired when we do these in the evening

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aren’t you no i’m tired because i was in

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the office today oh the evil office the

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evil office that’s the evil floom

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i know it’s it is rough being in the

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office two days a week isn’t it

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my goodness

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i don’t know how the rest of the world

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survives five days in the office

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no wait i do because that’s what i do

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don’t be bitter yeah just a little bit

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yeah well anyway anyway i bet that’s not

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what we’re talking about today is it

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that is not what we’re talking about

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today

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today

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in our disney detective walt disney’s

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personal plane remains abandoned at

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disney world

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and imagineer of raleigh crump we get

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his thoughts on the museum of the weird

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the scariest disneyland attraction ever

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envisioned unfortunately not realized

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though

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then in our tales from the edge of the

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galaxy

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we finally learned how palpatine

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survived and returned in rise of

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skywalker what we don’t figure out is

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why

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because i still am puzzled why they did

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that but anyway

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we also talk about uh

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that uh andor the star wars show uh

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about cassian andor who was featured in

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rogue one uh reportedly has wrapped

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fillings so hopefully we should be

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seeing that soon

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that’s another one that i wonder why

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they made that because i’m not really

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sure a backstory was needed but hey you

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know what that seems to be what we’re

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doing these days we kill off characters

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and give them a backstory

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and as always oh and for our

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entertainment

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we do have entertainment news this is an

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entertainment podcast so for our

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entertainment news we’ll talk about

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nirvana being sued by the baby from

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never mind’s album cover

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and sadly drummer charlie watts of the

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rolling stones dies at 80

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and then we’ll finish up with our

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insightful picks of the week kind of an

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oddball one i had this week yeah very

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unusual for you yeah scraping the bottom

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of the barrel right now i haven’t been

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watching all that much and then not

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enough to steal from me no you didn’t

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give me anything good to steal from this

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week

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i’ve been milking all years the last

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couple weeks yeah i know

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so oh you know i admit that i’m an

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uncultured swine so there you go you

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expand my horizons

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go for disney detective so our first

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story comes from

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insidethemagic.net and it talks about

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how walt disney’s personal plane remains

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abandoned at walt disney world

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so with the majority of walt disney

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world always looking magical it’s

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actually hard to imagine that there are

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sections that may look a little

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abandoned with walt disney world being

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the size of san francisco there’s plenty

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of room to place things that might not

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be unused

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in the past we’ve talked

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the the website has actually talked

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about how

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there’s an abandoned airport that was

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active on property for many years for a

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few years

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there have also been

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you know as as most people know there’s

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a whole

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water park river country that has been

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empty for many years and before art of

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disney uh was built the space was

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actually known to many guests as the

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ghost hotel uh and we actually have

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plenty of pictures of that because when

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we had stayed

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at

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um

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pop century

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we could see all of uh the abandonment

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uh of that

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so now it seems that walt disney’s

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personal airplane

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um which he used to travel between

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burbank and orlando is looking rather

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unattended to as well so walt’s airplane

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currently sits in a service area north

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of disney’s animal kingdom in a recent

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snapshot that was taken by photographer

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bio

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reconstruct

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we see that the cover on the plane is

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starting to come apart and this could be

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cause for some water that might be

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pooling in the aircraft’s casing

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it seems like also part of the tail is

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exposed in the picture as well

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so hopefully the exposed area of the

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covering hasn’t caused too much damage

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to the plane’s exterior

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but it seems

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that you know

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you you can’t really get to it from

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most of the the guest areas

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but the theme park architect had

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responded to a tweet with an interesting

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update on why the plane was moved and

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why it has not been moved since

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so they had said that it was repainted

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when they started the disney hollywood

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studios expansion and at one point it

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was planned to be relocated to glendale

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but nobody wanted to fund the shipping

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cost so then disney

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opted

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for it to go to a florida air museum but

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nobody

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took them up on it

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and the inside of the plane is actually

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gutted and that’s where the plane has

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been since

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so the interesting thing was this used

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to be visible on the backlot tour right

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so back in the day before

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all the different incarnations of disney

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hollywood studio when they actually had

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the backlot studio tour yes this was

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something that you could see

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while you were going around uh the the

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bone yard and it was uncovered too so

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right you could see it in all of you see

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it right they still it still had mickey

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mouse on it i think it said

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disney

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on it um so

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it it was very much obvious that it was

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you know the disney plane right um so

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then i guess when they started

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you know making all the changes to

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hollywood studios that’s when they kind

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of moved around did whatever and it just

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never kind of found and i remember when

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they were doing construction there were

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there was uh news articles those

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articles

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where they were actually carting a plane

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down the road

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in disney you actually had film of that

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okay okay it’s kind of interesting yeah

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yeah um but

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i mean clearly it’s a collector’s item

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at this point oh it’s never gonna fly

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again right you know but it would be

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nice if they would clean it up and put

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it someplace

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where

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you know guests could could see it even

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yeah where would you put that

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well they have a hundred square acres i

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know but like they’ve got plenty of room

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somewhere i don’t know what theme

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because everything is themed in disney

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where would this actually fit you could

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put it

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in

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disney springs at that one restaurant

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that’s the the plane the aviation the

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aviation one go huh see or turn it into

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a restaurant

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yeah you could do that too

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restaurant yeah kind of kind of kind of

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snug yeah but see you could totally do

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there you go see

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listen to this podcast

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we just gave you a perfect perfect plan

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for you know

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there you go what to do with it you know

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where else you could probably put it you

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could probably put it at vero beach

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oh yeah cause they’ve got plenty of land

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out there you got the airport out there

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do you have the airport out there museum

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out there so that might be a good place

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at the airstrip out there at vera beach

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yeah you can do that too

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anyway

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anyway so let’s talk about the museum of

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the weird so this article came from the

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uh san francisco gate and it talked

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about how imagineer rowley crump

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um

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had helped to create the museum of the

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weird which was gonna be the scariest

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disneyland attraction ever

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and obviously never came to be so walt

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disney always knew that he wanted to

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have a spooky attraction at disneyland

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but beyond that he didn’t know what he

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wanted um or what it would eventually or

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that it would eventually become the

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haunted mansion so in some

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so in assembling the team tasked with

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conveying it he paired legendary

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imagineer yale gracie who had pioneered

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many of the effects in pirates of the

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caribbean with a younger imagineer roly

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crump who was newer to the team but who

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had caught disney’s attention with his

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innovations working in the animation

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studio he had said we weren’t really

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given too much direction on the project

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um crump who

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was one of the who is one of the last

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i’m sorry who is the last living

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original haunted magic haunted mansion

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imagineer

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say that five ten

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five times fast uh who then later

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designed uh attractions like the

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enchanted tiki room and parts of epcot

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wrote in his memoirs it’s kind of a cute

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story

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he said at the time they still really

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didn’t know what they wanted it to be he

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also added in his book that they just

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kind of set us loose walt just wanted us

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to be left alone and gave us the freedom

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to do whatever we wanted we had our own

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little studio that we just filled with

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all sorts of crazy stuff what is

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interesting is that in the haunted

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mansion episode of beyond the attraction

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he goes and talks about this part of the

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story where um they had you know

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they had come up with much scarier

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things for

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the the attraction so much so that they

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actually scared the custodians

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at

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wed enterprises

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and that there were custodians that

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refused to go into

0:12:04.480,0:12:08.079
their work area

0:12:06.320,0:12:11.120
at night because

0:12:08.079,0:12:14.320
things were were so scary um so they had

0:12:11.120,0:12:17.040
just a lot of fun creating it um

0:12:14.320,0:12:18.959
but then what ended up happening was

0:12:17.040,0:12:23.120
while they were planning all of this

0:12:18.959,0:12:23.120
then you had the

0:12:23.360,0:12:28.000
you had the world’s fair the new york

0:12:25.279,0:12:30.320
world’s fair come into play so then what

0:12:28.000,0:12:33.120
they ended up doing was transferring a

0:12:30.320,0:12:34.079
whole bunch of the imagineers

0:12:33.120,0:12:35.519
from

0:12:34.079,0:12:38.720
the park

0:12:35.519,0:12:39.760
attractions over to that to work on that

0:12:38.720,0:12:42.160
and then

0:12:39.760,0:12:43.680
after the world’s fair was done then

0:12:42.160,0:12:46.639
they moved them back to the park

0:12:43.680,0:12:48.880
projects but then unfortunately

0:12:46.639,0:12:51.760
walt disney had passed away before the

0:12:48.880,0:12:53.760
project could actually come to fruition

0:12:51.760,0:12:55.600
so they had all these ideas because what

0:12:53.760,0:12:57.200
they wanted was they wanted to do an

0:12:55.600,0:12:59.920
attraction but then they wanted to do

0:12:57.200,0:13:01.120
this walk through museum so there were

0:12:59.920,0:13:03.360
all of these

0:13:01.120,0:13:06.079
great ideas that rowley crump had for

0:13:03.360,0:13:08.480
the museum part of it that unfortunately

0:13:06.079,0:13:10.959
after walt died

0:13:08.480,0:13:12.800
the next people that came in basically

0:13:10.959,0:13:13.920
said we need it to be something that’s

0:13:12.800,0:13:16.000
family

0:13:13.920,0:13:18.240
friendly we don’t want it to be

0:13:16.000,0:13:20.720
something that’s so scary so

0:13:18.240,0:13:24.399
unfortunately a lot of

0:13:20.720,0:13:27.839
rowley crump’s ideas kind of went to you

0:13:24.399,0:13:30.480
know the the wayside um

0:13:27.839,0:13:33.519
but there are some little aspects of the

0:13:30.480,0:13:36.480
haunted mansion that were inspirations

0:13:33.519,0:13:38.560
from rowley crump but what is nice about

0:13:36.480,0:13:40.560
it is that now

0:13:38.560,0:13:44.079
um you know there are so many haunted

0:13:40.560,0:13:46.800
mansion fans out there that

0:13:44.079,0:13:49.279
all of us i should say you know are

0:13:46.800,0:13:52.560
trying to find out as much information

0:13:49.279,0:13:55.519
about the history behind it and what’s

0:13:52.560,0:13:58.160
really cool is that right now there’s an

0:13:55.519,0:14:00.480
exhibit that is inside the great moments

0:13:58.160,0:14:03.279
with lincoln building on main street in

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disneyland that is celebrating the 50th

0:14:03.279,0:14:09.360
anniversary of the haunted mansion

0:14:06.480,0:14:11.199
and they have a lot of the early concept

0:14:09.360,0:14:15.519
artwork of the ride including his

0:14:11.199,0:14:17.839
original drawings um so it’s nice to see

0:14:15.519,0:14:19.120
that some of that stuff is still out

0:14:17.839,0:14:23.120
there for

0:14:19.120,0:14:25.279
uh fans to to find and look for yeah and

0:14:23.120,0:14:26.800
raleigh is one of our favorites

0:14:25.279,0:14:30.320
just because he’s

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he’s so enthusiastic you go back to

0:14:30.320,0:14:33.839
that he’s done

0:14:31.680,0:14:36.800
and and the work that he’s done and he’s

0:14:33.839,0:14:37.920
incredibly talented and it’s stuff

0:14:36.800,0:14:40.720
that

0:14:37.920,0:14:42.720
you it’s so original absolutely even to

0:14:40.720,0:14:45.600
this day it looks

0:14:42.720,0:14:46.639
like it could be modern stuff from today

0:14:45.600,0:14:49.120
not

0:14:46.639,0:14:51.360
50 or 60 years ago when he you know

0:14:49.120,0:14:53.279
first did some of uh right you see a

0:14:51.360,0:14:55.440
piece of his work and you immediately

0:14:53.279,0:14:58.079
recognize what it is right

0:14:55.440,0:15:00.079
um and his his

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i don’t know like the way he recalls his

0:15:00.079,0:15:05.600
stories of working with walt

0:15:02.720,0:15:08.160
and and just not that he idolized walt

0:15:05.600,0:15:09.920
but how much he loved his job because

0:15:08.160,0:15:10.800
you know in in one quote he even says

0:15:09.920,0:15:12.880
you know

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it’s not like you work for walt you

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worked with wall

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and and he always gets choked up when he

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talks about yeah yeah he doesn’t see how

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much love he had for them

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yeah even all these years later yeah

0:15:23.519,0:15:28.800
well and and the article goes on to talk

0:15:26.160,0:15:30.399
about the dedication he gets with his

0:15:28.800,0:15:31.279
main street

0:15:30.399,0:15:33.680
um

0:15:31.279,0:15:34.880
you know the legends windows right on

0:15:33.680,0:15:37.600
main street

0:15:34.880,0:15:39.519
where most legends get a window in one

0:15:37.600,0:15:41.440
of the shops on main street

0:15:39.519,0:15:44.000
and rolly got an entire building

0:15:41.440,0:15:46.639
dedicated to him with a nod to his work

0:15:44.000,0:15:49.519
with with walt as well

0:15:46.639,0:15:51.360
so it was uh kind of kind of a cool

0:15:49.519,0:15:53.040
kind of a cool story

0:15:51.360,0:15:55.519
and unfortunately because the other

0:15:53.040,0:15:57.920
imagineers were so against having a

0:15:55.519,0:16:00.240
scary haunted mansion right

0:15:57.920,0:16:01.839
when once walt passed away

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they all kind of shelved the whole thing

0:16:01.839,0:16:06.399
in fact he talks in the in the episode

0:16:04.959,0:16:08.959
about an instance where they’re

0:16:06.399,0:16:11.600
presenting haunted mansion stuff to walt

0:16:08.959,0:16:14.000
and they all the all the old timers all

0:16:11.600,0:16:15.600
their veteran guys put all the rollie

0:16:14.000,0:16:18.560
stump stuff

0:16:15.600,0:16:20.240
behind wall right to scare walt’s now to

0:16:18.560,0:16:22.959
things oh that’s right that he won’t see

0:16:20.240,0:16:25.040
that’s right that’s right walt sees it

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and he comes in the next morning and he

0:16:25.040,0:16:28.480
says i was up all night because of that

0:16:26.800,0:16:29.920
stuff and rolly gets all upset thinking

0:16:28.480,0:16:32.480
that right

0:16:29.920,0:16:35.279
but he was upset because of how

0:16:32.480,0:16:37.120
impactful right work was right right uh

0:16:35.279,0:16:40.000
so stories like that were were always

0:16:37.120,0:16:42.160
kind of cool together from them so yeah

0:16:40.000,0:16:43.600
anyway uh that was all we had for our

0:16:42.160,0:16:46.399
disney detective

0:16:43.600,0:16:48.480
we’ll be right back with our

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tales from the edge of the galaxy

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i was gonna think insightful picks but

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i’m jumping a gun yep not there yet

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we’ll be back with our tales from the

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edge of the galaxy

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go for tails from the edge of the galaxy

0:18:10.880,0:18:18.480
so our first story for our star wars

0:18:14.080,0:18:20.280
section comes uh from

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i don’t know i don’t know what is that

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deseret.com deseret.com sure we’ll go

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with that um so it talks about how we

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finally learned how palpatine survived

0:18:28.720,0:18:33.440
and returned in

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rise of skywalker so star wars rise of

0:18:33.440,0:18:37.600
skywalker came out about two years ago

0:18:35.840,0:18:39.760
and since then most people have been

0:18:37.600,0:18:42.720
wondering how the heck did palpatine

0:18:39.760,0:18:45.360
survive his dramatic death in return of

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the jedi only to return in riza

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skywalker so now thanks to a blog post

0:18:48.559,0:18:54.559
on starwars.com we have a i guess

0:18:51.760,0:18:56.960
official explanation of how it happened

0:18:54.559,0:18:59.039
so how did he survive his death

0:18:56.960,0:19:00.960
palpatine was worried about losing his

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power so he can

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he created the contingency

0:19:03.840,0:19:09.039
which was a plan that would help him

0:19:05.919,0:19:10.720
reclaim the empire if he was ever killed

0:19:09.039,0:19:13.600
so the contingency

0:19:10.720,0:19:16.160
started with operation cinder which

0:19:13.600,0:19:18.640
included sentinel droids droids

0:19:16.160,0:19:21.120
destroying imperial and new republic

0:19:18.640,0:19:24.480
locations that held sensitive

0:19:21.120,0:19:27.760
information so when palpatine died his

0:19:24.480,0:19:30.240
consciousness was transferred to a clone

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on the planet exo

0:19:30.240,0:19:36.640
hexagonal hexagon uh where he had been

0:19:33.280,0:19:38.559
previously studying immortality however

0:19:36.640,0:19:41.520
the body was too weak to hold his

0:19:38.559,0:19:44.799
consciousness so they built more clones

0:19:41.520,0:19:47.760
that could be a stronger vessel for him

0:19:44.799,0:19:50.960
this is actually what they said

0:19:47.760,0:19:53.440
led to snoke’s creation so snoke was

0:19:50.960,0:19:56.320
made to lead the first order which would

0:19:53.440,0:19:59.440
then work to bring rey who we found out

0:19:56.320,0:20:02.799
was palpatine’s granddaughter

0:19:59.440,0:20:04.960
to palpatine since she could act out of

0:20:02.799,0:20:08.400
as a vessel to contain

0:20:04.960,0:20:11.440
palpatine’s consciousness so this led to

0:20:08.400,0:20:14.720
the cinematic battle between rey and

0:20:11.440,0:20:16.640
palpatine as seen in rise of skywalker

0:20:14.720,0:20:19.360
palpatine fought his granddaughter to

0:20:16.640,0:20:22.240
make sure that he could use her body as

0:20:19.360,0:20:25.200
a vessel but then rey aligned with all

0:20:22.240,0:20:26.320
the jedi looking to stop him and there

0:20:25.200,0:20:28.240
you go

0:20:26.320,0:20:31.679
so

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what happened so it’s a little confusing

0:20:31.679,0:20:36.159
and kind of hard to explain and

0:20:34.240,0:20:38.799
obviously they really didn’t

0:20:36.159,0:20:41.600
explain any of that in the movie so

0:20:38.799,0:20:44.080
that’s why most people were going huh

0:20:41.600,0:20:45.559
but it seems that in

0:20:44.080,0:20:48.559
some of the

0:20:45.559,0:20:50.400
novelizations of rise of skywalker they

0:20:48.559,0:20:53.919
talk a little bit more about it how

0:20:50.400,0:20:56.559
there were these uh vials with liquid

0:20:53.919,0:20:59.600
and that you know one was kind of

0:20:56.559,0:21:03.200
completely empty and kylo ren kind of

0:20:59.600,0:21:06.400
looked at it and he’s you know studying

0:21:03.200,0:21:08.799
you know that that he had studied um

0:21:06.400,0:21:10.799
the clone wars and that the liquid

0:21:08.799,0:21:13.760
flowing into this living nightmare

0:21:10.799,0:21:15.840
before him was fighting a losing battle

0:21:13.760,0:21:18.960
and that it was the you know the

0:21:15.840,0:21:20.880
emperor’s you know flesh that was trying

0:21:18.960,0:21:23.280
to be created so in the book i guess

0:21:20.880,0:21:25.120
they actually went a little bit more

0:21:23.280,0:21:28.960
into it they just didn’t do it in the

0:21:25.120,0:21:31.280
movies um so it seems that palpatine’s

0:21:28.960,0:21:33.360
return was kind of always

0:21:31.280,0:21:36.799
in the books for the final star wars

0:21:33.360,0:21:38.320
saga film uh director jj abrams had

0:21:36.799,0:21:41.039
actually said that there were always

0:21:38.320,0:21:43.840
plans to bring back emperor palpatine

0:21:41.039,0:21:46.080
during rise of skywalker

0:21:43.840,0:21:47.919
and that when you look at this as nine

0:21:46.080,0:21:49.840
chapters of the story perhaps the

0:21:47.919,0:21:52.159
weirder thing would be that palpatine

0:21:49.840,0:21:55.039
didn’t return or the weirder thing would

0:21:52.159,0:21:58.320
be what if he didn’t even return um

0:21:55.039,0:22:00.720
and abrams had said just look uh at what

0:21:58.320,0:22:03.200
he talks about who he is how important

0:22:00.720,0:22:05.520
he is what his story is train strangely

0:22:03.200,0:22:09.679
his absence entirely from the third

0:22:05.520,0:22:09.679
trilogy would be conspicuous

0:22:10.240,0:22:13.760
from the first movie of the trilogy was

0:22:12.080,0:22:15.600
conspicuous

0:22:13.760,0:22:18.159
yeah so i think if we didn’t see

0:22:15.600,0:22:19.919
palpatine again it would have been okay

0:22:18.159,0:22:22.720
i i don’t think they really needed to

0:22:19.919,0:22:26.159
bring him back but so normally i take my

0:22:22.720,0:22:28.720
my time on the soapbox here to to bust

0:22:26.159,0:22:30.559
disney for being disney okay in this

0:22:28.720,0:22:32.720
case here i’m gonna bust disney for

0:22:30.559,0:22:33.760
trying to be star wars

0:22:32.720,0:22:35.120
so okay

0:22:33.760,0:22:37.039
there’s some

0:22:35.120,0:22:38.080
so if you look at the original trilogy

0:22:37.039,0:22:41.280
okay

0:22:38.080,0:22:44.159
there’s history between a new hope an

0:22:41.280,0:22:45.280
empire strikes back and there’s history

0:22:44.159,0:22:46.960
between

0:22:45.280,0:22:48.080
empire strikes back and returning the

0:22:46.960,0:22:50.400
jedi

0:22:48.080,0:22:52.559
now none of that history is played out

0:22:50.400,0:22:55.280
except for references

0:22:52.559,0:22:57.039
for instance there’s this one particular

0:22:55.280,0:22:58.400
reference where han solo says that he

0:22:57.039,0:23:00.159
has to leave in the beginning of the

0:22:58.400,0:23:02.000
movie when they’re on hoth

0:23:00.159,0:23:03.919
and he makes reference to the bounty

0:23:02.000,0:23:05.840
hunter on ord mantel

0:23:03.919,0:23:08.159
well nobody knows what that story was if

0:23:05.840,0:23:10.080
he didn’t read the novels however when

0:23:08.159,0:23:11.840
you talk about having a death mark on

0:23:10.080,0:23:13.440
you and you talk about a bounty hunter

0:23:11.840,0:23:14.480
that you’ve ran into on some other

0:23:13.440,0:23:16.159
planet

0:23:14.480,0:23:19.280
you can put two and two together and you

0:23:16.159,0:23:21.440
don’t need to read that backstory

0:23:19.280,0:23:23.280
with this what happened was is they

0:23:21.440,0:23:26.400
wanted to have all that backstory in

0:23:23.280,0:23:29.039
place the problem was they dribbled it

0:23:26.400,0:23:31.440
out over multiple types of sources

0:23:29.039,0:23:34.240
so they talk about project cinder well

0:23:31.440,0:23:36.559
project cinder and these sentinel droids

0:23:34.240,0:23:38.960
happen to come from a storyline

0:23:36.559,0:23:40.400
from battlefront 2.

0:23:38.960,0:23:42.000
well how many people are watching the

0:23:40.400,0:23:44.159
movie you’re playing the game right not

0:23:42.000,0:23:46.960
many right then you talk about the

0:23:44.159,0:23:49.039
clones and you talk about palpatine’s

0:23:46.960,0:23:52.799
you know trying to get in well the the

0:23:49.039,0:23:55.120
whole idea of this contingency plan

0:23:52.799,0:23:57.279
played out in the novels so who read all

0:23:55.120,0:23:59.039
the novels that watched a movie a small

0:23:57.279,0:24:01.919
percentage of the people

0:23:59.039,0:24:04.080
so what happens is you get to the movie

0:24:01.919,0:24:05.919
now disney assumes well everybody knows

0:24:04.080,0:24:08.480
the story now so we don’t need to make

0:24:05.919,0:24:10.640
those clear-cut references to that

0:24:08.480,0:24:13.039
history that we just built

0:24:10.640,0:24:14.720
let’s just continue telling the story

0:24:13.039,0:24:16.559
and you tell the story and it’s

0:24:14.720,0:24:18.000
fragmented and it’s disjointed and

0:24:16.559,0:24:19.919
you’re jumping all over the place and

0:24:18.000,0:24:22.000
you have all these pieces that don’t fit

0:24:19.919,0:24:23.360
together because you told your story

0:24:22.000,0:24:24.960
somewhere else and you didn’t even make

0:24:23.360,0:24:26.480
reference to it here

0:24:24.960,0:24:28.559
you just assumed everybody walked into

0:24:26.480,0:24:30.159
this movie and knew what it was right

0:24:28.559,0:24:32.960
and it turned into be an absolute

0:24:30.159,0:24:34.880
disaster of storytelling

0:24:32.960,0:24:36.480
where you didn’t need to do all that

0:24:34.880,0:24:37.840
detail you didn’t need to do all that

0:24:36.480,0:24:40.799
story behind it all you have to do is

0:24:37.840,0:24:43.520
have references i’m almost okay having

0:24:40.799,0:24:45.279
palpatine be the bad guy

0:24:43.520,0:24:47.760
and i’ll tell you why

0:24:45.279,0:24:49.039
why because in

0:24:47.760,0:24:52.640
the

0:24:49.039,0:24:55.120
star wars mmo star wars the old republic

0:24:52.640,0:24:56.720
there is an occurrence of an emperor and

0:24:55.120,0:24:58.960
that emperor

0:24:56.720,0:25:01.760
happens to use various types of

0:24:58.960,0:25:03.840
technology and sith rituals and and the

0:25:01.760,0:25:06.880
force and all this stuff

0:25:03.840,0:25:08.400
to extend his life hundreds and

0:25:06.880,0:25:10.799
thousands of years

0:25:08.400,0:25:13.360
he’s resurrected himself he’s renamed

0:25:10.799,0:25:15.520
himself he’s reinvented himself over and

0:25:13.360,0:25:17.840
over on at least three occasions within

0:25:15.520,0:25:19.200
that storyline alone okay

0:25:17.840,0:25:20.880
now

0:25:19.200,0:25:23.840
for those who do

0:25:20.880,0:25:26.320
keep up on the expanded universe stuff

0:25:23.840,0:25:28.559
there’s this concept of these beings

0:25:26.320,0:25:30.799
called celestials

0:25:28.559,0:25:32.720
not celestials from marvel universe

0:25:30.799,0:25:35.120
although it’d be a cool tie-in to that

0:25:32.720,0:25:36.400
and be a great gateway to that hint hint

0:25:35.120,0:25:38.799
disney

0:25:36.400,0:25:40.320
so you have these beings that came

0:25:38.799,0:25:42.559
before

0:25:40.320,0:25:44.480
all the other beings in the universe

0:25:42.559,0:25:46.240
in the galaxy and then they evolved and

0:25:44.480,0:25:49.919
they moved on

0:25:46.240,0:25:52.720
well this storyline is leaning in

0:25:49.919,0:25:56.240
the old republic that this particular

0:25:52.720,0:25:58.159
emperor happened to be the entity or the

0:25:56.240,0:25:59.919
essence of one of these

0:25:58.159,0:26:02.400
celestials

0:25:59.919,0:26:04.320
so it would fit perfectly in that this

0:26:02.400,0:26:06.240
guy somehow gets defeated in the old

0:26:04.320,0:26:07.039
republic goes dormant or something like

0:26:06.240,0:26:09.360
that

0:26:07.039,0:26:11.840
and then turns out that it’s palpatine

0:26:09.360,0:26:13.679
who is that same emperor who’s trying to

0:26:11.840,0:26:15.440
resurrect everything again

0:26:13.679,0:26:17.520
so okay they

0:26:15.440,0:26:20.080
didn’t want the storyline from the old

0:26:17.520,0:26:22.960
republic to be canon but that story line

0:26:20.080,0:26:25.360
would have fed perfectly into the sequel

0:26:22.960,0:26:27.360
trilogy to explain

0:26:25.360,0:26:29.360
how this guy who was thrown down this

0:26:27.360,0:26:32.000
pit on the space station that blew up

0:26:29.360,0:26:34.080
and fell out of orbit is still alive

0:26:32.000,0:26:37.120
gotcha because apparently he can do

0:26:34.080,0:26:39.440
transfer essence across the galaxy

0:26:37.120,0:26:41.120
that’s a little hard to believe

0:26:39.440,0:26:42.720
now i could understand if you transfer

0:26:41.120,0:26:44.880
your essence to

0:26:42.720,0:26:46.640
rey who’s right in front of you

0:26:44.880,0:26:48.720
but apparently he couldn’t even do that

0:26:46.640,0:26:49.840
when he was able to transfer to another

0:26:48.720,0:26:52.640
body that was all the way across the

0:26:49.840,0:26:53.840
galaxy right right so it’s hard to

0:26:52.640,0:26:56.080
believe the way that they brought them

0:26:53.840,0:26:57.679
back but had they done it right i would

0:26:56.080,0:26:59.120
have bought it

0:26:57.679,0:27:00.400
the fact that you have rey as his

0:26:59.120,0:27:02.640
granddaughter

0:27:00.400,0:27:03.840
makes no sense whatsoever you didn’t

0:27:02.640,0:27:04.799
need him

0:27:03.840,0:27:06.640
because

0:27:04.799,0:27:08.400
anakin was supposed to be that vessel

0:27:06.640,0:27:09.520
that he was supposed to transfer himself

0:27:08.400,0:27:11.600
into

0:27:09.520,0:27:14.240
because the one book that is

0:27:11.600,0:27:17.360
canon the sidious book talks about

0:27:14.240,0:27:21.360
sidious and his former master plagueis

0:27:17.360,0:27:22.880
who he learned how to preserve life from

0:27:21.360,0:27:26.240
they got together performed a sith

0:27:22.880,0:27:29.360
ritual and basically conceived anakin

0:27:26.240,0:27:32.000
from the force so he was that’s why his

0:27:29.360,0:27:34.559
okay goofy midichlorians were so high

0:27:32.000,0:27:36.000
because he was pure force he was

0:27:34.559,0:27:38.720
supposed to be the vessel that they were

0:27:36.000,0:27:40.559
going to pour themselves into

0:27:38.720,0:27:42.799
so when he gets killed

0:27:40.559,0:27:44.960
he’s not there anymore so now they

0:27:42.799,0:27:47.279
invent a granddaughter that he somehow

0:27:44.960,0:27:50.320
had at some point in time a son

0:27:47.279,0:27:52.240
somewhere and that son had a kid with

0:27:50.320,0:27:54.159
someone else and the sun’s not pure

0:27:52.240,0:27:55.120
force and the wife wasn’t pure force and

0:27:54.159,0:27:57.039
the

0:27:55.120,0:27:58.240
kid’s less pure for like it makes no

0:27:57.039,0:28:00.000
sense

0:27:58.240,0:28:02.640
it just it doesn’t work what they tried

0:28:00.000,0:28:04.240
to do with it okay so but the fact that

0:28:02.640,0:28:05.200
they just decided to resurrect them

0:28:04.240,0:28:06.720
because they couldn’t come up with a

0:28:05.200,0:28:08.559
better guy

0:28:06.720,0:28:10.880
and the fact that they wasted their time

0:28:08.559,0:28:12.559
making snoke out in two movies to be the

0:28:10.880,0:28:13.840
ultimate bad guy

0:28:12.559,0:28:16.399
and then they just offed them because

0:28:13.840,0:28:18.240
they were done with the right right

0:28:16.399,0:28:20.480
that was that was almost as bad as i’m

0:28:18.240,0:28:22.480
killing off darth maul in the first

0:28:20.480,0:28:23.840
prequel trilogy movie you’re still

0:28:22.480,0:28:25.200
bitter about that

0:28:23.840,0:28:26.880
well and then they brought them back so

0:28:25.200,0:28:29.200
it’s still really bad i mean they cut

0:28:26.880,0:28:31.360
more than half they cut snoke in half

0:28:29.200,0:28:33.120
snoke really dead no probably not he’s

0:28:31.360,0:28:34.559
in a jar somewhere yeah he’ll be back in

0:28:33.120,0:28:38.240
an animated version somewhere with

0:28:34.559,0:28:41.520
spider legs with spider legs anyway oh

0:28:38.240,0:28:43.120
that’s awesome that’s my soapbox okay so

0:28:41.520,0:28:45.520
let’s talk about something that’s going

0:28:43.120,0:28:48.960
to get me less worked up but equally as

0:28:45.520,0:28:52.159
annoyed okay so from screenrant.com it

0:28:48.960,0:28:55.279
seems that andor the star wars show has

0:28:52.159,0:28:58.159
reportedly wrapped filming so disney

0:28:55.279,0:29:00.720
plus upcoming star wars spin-off show

0:28:58.159,0:29:03.640
andorr has reportedly wrapped filming

0:29:00.720,0:29:06.960
the show will serve as a prequel to the

0:29:03.640,0:29:09.600
2016 film rogue one and will follow the

0:29:06.960,0:29:12.799
story of cassian andor

0:29:09.600,0:29:14.880
during his early years in the rebellion

0:29:12.799,0:29:16.960
alliance little known is about the

0:29:14.880,0:29:18.080
show’s plot or characters apart from a

0:29:16.960,0:29:20.640
brief

0:29:18.080,0:29:23.200
sizzle reel that was shown late last

0:29:20.640,0:29:26.559
year which teased that the show would be

0:29:23.200,0:29:29.120
kind of a spy thriller in universe

0:29:26.559,0:29:30.399
cassian’s history is obviously kind of

0:29:29.120,0:29:32.080
tragic

0:29:30.399,0:29:34.960
as he reveals

0:29:32.080,0:29:38.000
to jyn in rogue one his struggle against

0:29:34.960,0:29:40.000
the empire was a lifelong one

0:29:38.000,0:29:42.799
he first came into conflict with

0:29:40.000,0:29:45.200
palpatine’s war machine during the clone

0:29:42.799,0:29:47.760
wars when he was just six years old when

0:29:45.200,0:29:50.159
the empire was still referred to as the

0:29:47.760,0:29:53.679
galactic republic throughout the course

0:29:50.159,0:29:56.159
of the film his uh machiavelli

0:29:53.679,0:29:58.640
the ends justify the means philosophy

0:29:56.159,0:30:01.919
paint a picture of a man that will fight

0:29:58.640,0:30:04.640
to achieve peace at any cost with all of

0:30:01.919,0:30:06.799
these ingredients in place and or has

0:30:04.640,0:30:09.279
potential to further

0:30:06.799,0:30:12.480
flush out one of the more compelling and

0:30:09.279,0:30:15.600
morally gray characters from rogue one a

0:30:12.480,0:30:18.640
recent report from star wars scooper

0:30:15.600,0:30:20.640
bespin bullet claims that filming for

0:30:18.640,0:30:22.799
the show has wrapped

0:30:20.640,0:30:25.200
it seems that there were various members

0:30:22.799,0:30:28.080
of production who were having their own

0:30:25.200,0:30:30.399
wrap parties and confirming that filming

0:30:28.080,0:30:33.360
had concluded um

0:30:30.399,0:30:36.399
so after speaking with multiple sources

0:30:33.360,0:30:39.840
he had uh the the reporter had said that

0:30:36.399,0:30:43.520
it had wrapped uh they had checked in

0:30:39.840,0:30:46.000
with uh pinewood studio sources and that

0:30:43.520,0:30:48.960
it looked like on august 18th they were

0:30:46.000,0:30:50.399
still kind of filming some things uh but

0:30:48.960,0:30:52.720
by the 20th

0:30:50.399,0:30:56.399
most things had had pretty much finished

0:30:52.720,0:30:59.519
up uh andor sets itself apart from other

0:30:56.399,0:31:01.760
disney plus star wars spin-off shows uh

0:30:59.519,0:31:02.960
that were actually filmed are on

0:31:01.760,0:31:06.240
location

0:31:02.960,0:31:08.720
rather than using the vr volume

0:31:06.240,0:31:11.679
set which was used for book of boba fett

0:31:08.720,0:31:15.120
the mandalorian and the upcoming obi-wan

0:31:11.679,0:31:17.919
kenobi series so because they were

0:31:15.120,0:31:21.279
doing a lot of shots outside obviously

0:31:17.919,0:31:22.240
there were set leaks from andor

0:31:21.279,0:31:24.559
that

0:31:22.240,0:31:26.080
people were were passing around on the

0:31:24.559,0:31:28.000
internet trying to figure out what it

0:31:26.080,0:31:30.960
was going to be

0:31:28.000,0:31:33.840
there were some some

0:31:30.960,0:31:35.679
uh trooper variants and some imperial

0:31:33.840,0:31:38.320
things that people have seen

0:31:35.679,0:31:40.480
so again we’ll have to see so compared

0:31:38.320,0:31:42.640
to other upcoming star wars shows the

0:31:40.480,0:31:43.840
hype and interest in andor

0:31:42.640,0:31:46.399
seems to be

0:31:43.840,0:31:47.840
tempted at best which is kind of where

0:31:46.399,0:31:50.320
you are

0:31:47.840,0:31:52.559
this is despite rogue one being a

0:31:50.320,0:31:55.120
critical and commercial success for

0:31:52.559,0:31:57.919
lucasfilms that said cassian is

0:31:55.120,0:32:00.559
considered one of the better characters

0:31:57.919,0:32:03.679
in that movie thanks to his moral

0:32:00.559,0:32:05.679
uh ambuguity painting of the rebellion

0:32:03.679,0:32:07.760
in a darker light but it’s worth

0:32:05.679,0:32:10.000
remembering that the bad batch earned

0:32:07.760,0:32:12.159
mixed reactions following its initial

0:32:10.000,0:32:15.039
announcement yet the show has

0:32:12.159,0:32:17.120
more than justified its existence uh

0:32:15.039,0:32:20.159
with arguably one of the strongest first

0:32:17.120,0:32:21.760
seasons of star wars animation

0:32:20.159,0:32:23.440
so we’ll see

0:32:21.760,0:32:25.679
yeah so

0:32:23.440,0:32:27.840
i know you’re not excited about it the

0:32:25.679,0:32:30.559
problem that i have here is that rogue

0:32:27.840,0:32:32.720
one and i loved the movie i really did i

0:32:30.559,0:32:34.559
thought it was great it was shot well it

0:32:32.720,0:32:37.279
was acted well

0:32:34.559,0:32:38.480
it was a fantastic story it did a great

0:32:37.279,0:32:40.559
handoff

0:32:38.480,0:32:44.399
rogue one was supposed to be

0:32:40.559,0:32:45.440
essentially a prequel to a new hope

0:32:44.399,0:32:49.120
okay

0:32:45.440,0:32:52.399
i i can buy that so i i finally know

0:32:49.120,0:32:54.399
how princess leia got the plans right i

0:32:52.399,0:32:56.240
didn’t need to it didn’t do anything for

0:32:54.399,0:32:57.519
the overall story arc right but now i

0:32:56.240,0:32:59.360
know

0:32:57.519,0:33:01.600
so this is a prequel

0:32:59.360,0:33:03.760
to the prequel

0:33:01.600,0:33:05.919
and it’s a character who was basically a

0:33:03.760,0:33:07.440
carbon copy of han solo

0:33:05.919,0:33:10.559
down to the point that they even dressed

0:33:07.440,0:33:11.440
him like han solo

0:33:10.559,0:33:14.159
so

0:33:11.440,0:33:15.679
i don’t understand why we need an origin

0:33:14.159,0:33:18.640
story for

0:33:15.679,0:33:21.120
cassie and andor who’s dead who’s dead

0:33:18.640,0:33:22.720
you know where his story goes

0:33:21.120,0:33:24.480
you know what his contribution to the

0:33:22.720,0:33:26.159
overall story was

0:33:24.480,0:33:28.000
knowing what he did before that is

0:33:26.159,0:33:30.320
completely irrelevant

0:33:28.000,0:33:31.919
you have a character who is morally

0:33:30.320,0:33:34.880
ambiguous

0:33:31.919,0:33:37.440
you have and here we go again with the

0:33:34.880,0:33:38.960
the hints of why he’s like that because

0:33:37.440,0:33:41.760
of his experience since he’s been

0:33:38.960,0:33:43.440
involved since he was six

0:33:41.760,0:33:46.080
that’s all you need to know

0:33:43.440,0:33:48.159
you don’t need to know you know you knew

0:33:46.080,0:33:50.880
that hand shot first

0:33:48.159,0:33:53.360
that scene defined hand

0:33:50.880,0:33:56.399
this scene in rogue one where he shoots

0:33:53.360,0:33:58.159
his informant and and uses that as an

0:33:56.399,0:33:59.919
opportunity to escape

0:33:58.159,0:34:01.679
defines him

0:33:59.919,0:34:04.799
as a character the way that he portrayed

0:34:01.679,0:34:06.960
that character defines the character

0:34:04.799,0:34:08.879
when you go back and you do a prequel

0:34:06.960,0:34:10.320
and you try to explain that character

0:34:08.879,0:34:11.919
further you’re going to dilute the

0:34:10.320,0:34:13.679
character and you’re going to diminish

0:34:11.919,0:34:15.679
that character

0:34:13.679,0:34:18.000
now if they shoot it and they do a story

0:34:15.679,0:34:19.599
as good as they did rogue one

0:34:18.000,0:34:21.359
that’s great

0:34:19.599,0:34:22.720
you know regardless i’m going to wind up

0:34:21.359,0:34:25.200
watching it

0:34:22.720,0:34:26.399
but disney needs to come up with better

0:34:25.200,0:34:28.639
stories they need to come up with

0:34:26.399,0:34:31.440
original stories i’ll even give you the

0:34:28.639,0:34:34.159
bad batch because the bad batch

0:34:31.440,0:34:36.079
is bridging that gap between clone wars

0:34:34.159,0:34:38.399
and a new hope it’s telling you that

0:34:36.079,0:34:41.040
story it’s it’s filling in the blanks

0:34:38.399,0:34:44.399
that people want to know

0:34:41.040,0:34:45.919
star wars now has this huge gap

0:34:44.399,0:34:48.879
between

0:34:45.919,0:34:52.000
prevent return of the jedi and force

0:34:48.879,0:34:53.919
awakens that for some reason disney

0:34:52.000,0:34:55.599
doesn’t want to touch you’re getting

0:34:53.919,0:34:57.119
little hints of it from the mandalorian

0:34:55.599,0:34:58.960
but you’re only looking five years in

0:34:57.119,0:35:02.240
the future right you’re not looking more

0:34:58.960,0:35:04.400
than that 30-year gap there and they’re

0:35:02.240,0:35:06.640
doing absolutely nothing to tell you

0:35:04.400,0:35:08.560
about the stuff that got you to their

0:35:06.640,0:35:11.839
last three big movies right they’re

0:35:08.560,0:35:11.839
basically going back

0:35:12.240,0:35:16.480
further right ahead

0:35:14.480,0:35:19.520
and not where

0:35:16.480,0:35:21.040
right they should be right in that sense

0:35:19.520,0:35:22.640
yeah they’re they’re doing they’re going

0:35:21.040,0:35:25.040
about the storytelling the wrong way

0:35:22.640,0:35:27.200
people are desperate to get

0:35:25.040,0:35:28.960
like where the hell did the first order

0:35:27.200,0:35:30.880
come from they still haven’t explained

0:35:28.960,0:35:32.480
that they hint it to it

0:35:30.880,0:35:33.760
in some of the novels but nobody’s gonna

0:35:32.480,0:35:36.400
read the novels you’re gonna have three

0:35:33.760,0:35:38.480
percent of the people read the novels

0:35:36.400,0:35:42.160
and that would help

0:35:38.480,0:35:45.359
for disney at least bridging the gap of

0:35:42.160,0:35:47.680
star wars galaxy’s edge exactly why are

0:35:45.359,0:35:49.599
we worried about the first order where’s

0:35:47.680,0:35:52.240
darth vader where’s all these you know

0:35:49.599,0:35:53.520
okay kylo ren all right whatever but

0:35:52.240,0:35:55.520
how did we

0:35:53.520,0:35:57.760
they want to get to here entire star

0:35:55.520,0:35:59.119
wars property on the on the sequel

0:35:57.760,0:36:00.560
trilogy

0:35:59.119,0:36:03.040
but they seem

0:36:00.560,0:36:05.680
very hesitant to get you to that trilogy

0:36:03.040,0:36:07.520
to how it’s there i have i feel i have

0:36:05.680,0:36:08.480
no investment whatsoever in that new

0:36:07.520,0:36:09.920
trilogy

0:36:08.480,0:36:12.240
the characters that they introduced

0:36:09.920,0:36:15.040
there are completely paper characters

0:36:12.240,0:36:17.680
that have no meaning to me whatsoever

0:36:15.040,0:36:19.200
rey is a jedi okay great what’s she

0:36:17.680,0:36:20.480
gonna do now

0:36:19.200,0:36:22.320
we don’t know

0:36:20.480,0:36:23.839
she turned into lightsabers and she

0:36:22.320,0:36:26.400
moved on like

0:36:23.839,0:36:28.000
that makes no sense

0:36:26.400,0:36:30.079
you had finn that you were setting up as

0:36:28.000,0:36:31.359
a jedi because he was force sensitive

0:36:30.079,0:36:32.800
and then all of a sudden he’s not force

0:36:31.359,0:36:34.160
sensitive anymore nobody cares if he’s

0:36:32.800,0:36:36.640
force sensitive

0:36:34.160,0:36:38.800
he’s just there

0:36:36.640,0:36:41.440
you’ve got you’ve got power who you

0:36:38.800,0:36:43.440
completely threw away in last jedi and

0:36:41.440,0:36:45.359
he comes back and he

0:36:43.440,0:36:47.599
kind of does stuff and he can fly again

0:36:45.359,0:36:50.079
all of a sudden and it’s like

0:36:47.599,0:36:51.920
they gave you nothing to be invested in

0:36:50.079,0:36:53.599
these characters right

0:36:51.920,0:36:56.560
people were far more worried about

0:36:53.599,0:36:59.040
carrie fisher showing up in in

0:36:56.560,0:37:00.960
riza skywalker and what she did they

0:36:59.040,0:37:03.760
were more invested

0:37:00.960,0:37:04.960
in laura dern’s character who nobody

0:37:03.760,0:37:07.280
liked but

0:37:04.960,0:37:08.800
she sacrificed herself

0:37:07.280,0:37:10.560
you know they were they were more

0:37:08.800,0:37:12.800
concerned about ackbar but you just

0:37:10.560,0:37:14.160
spaced him you just killed him off and

0:37:12.800,0:37:15.200
nobody you didn’t get to see anything

0:37:14.160,0:37:16.720
with him

0:37:15.200,0:37:18.800
it’s a trap

0:37:16.720,0:37:21.040
it’s like

0:37:18.800,0:37:24.400
i i don’t understand what they’re like

0:37:21.040,0:37:27.119
like disney is a storytelling company

0:37:24.400,0:37:29.359
and they’re doing a terrible job

0:37:27.119,0:37:32.400
you look at what they do with marvel

0:37:29.359,0:37:35.440
marvel is a fantastic fantastic

0:37:32.400,0:37:37.280
storytelling thing by the way uh kevin

0:37:35.440,0:37:39.760
feige did come out and announce he’s

0:37:37.280,0:37:41.760
doing he’s producing he’s co-producing

0:37:39.760,0:37:43.520
a star wars movie with kathleen kennedy

0:37:41.760,0:37:44.800
and han solo is not gonna be in the

0:37:43.520,0:37:46.079
movie

0:37:44.800,0:37:47.359
apparently there was some speculation

0:37:46.079,0:37:49.280
that han solo was gonna show up in

0:37:47.359,0:37:50.640
whatever movie he was doing but he’s

0:37:49.280,0:37:52.640
dead

0:37:50.640,0:37:56.320
well so was darth maul darth maul’s back

0:37:52.640,0:37:57.839
too so true okay yeah and obi-wan is

0:37:56.320,0:38:00.640
dead and he’s back and cassian’s dead

0:37:57.839,0:38:02.240
and he’s back so okay gotcha death in

0:38:00.640,0:38:04.480
the star wars universe doesn’t really

0:38:02.240,0:38:08.640
matter it’s like a soap opera exactly

0:38:04.480,0:38:08.640
exactly you you look different

0:38:08.960,0:38:11.200
anyway

0:38:10.160,0:38:13.520
you done

0:38:11.200,0:38:15.920
are you done ranting i am done this was

0:38:13.520,0:38:17.520
a star wars rant this week phew

0:38:15.920,0:38:20.960
so we’ll be right back with our

0:38:17.520,0:38:20.960
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0:38:22.250,0:38:25.369
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0:39:31.440,0:39:37.200
go for entertainment news so spencer

0:39:34.560,0:39:39.920
eldon the man who was photographed as a

0:39:37.200,0:39:43.119
baby on the album cover for nirvana’s

0:39:39.920,0:39:45.920
never mind is actually suing the band

0:39:43.119,0:39:47.839
alleging sexual exploitation

0:39:45.920,0:39:49.920
so the cover depicts eldon as a

0:39:47.839,0:39:52.320
four-month-old in a swimming pool

0:39:49.920,0:39:54.079
grasping for a dollar bill that’s being

0:39:52.320,0:39:55.200
dangled in front of him on a fishing

0:39:54.079,0:39:57.839
line

0:39:55.200,0:40:00.320
now 30 eldon says his parents never

0:39:57.839,0:40:03.440
signed a release authorizing the use of

0:40:00.320,0:40:06.240
his image on the album he also alleges

0:40:03.440,0:40:07.839
that the nude image constitutes child

0:40:06.240,0:40:10.480
pornography

0:40:07.839,0:40:13.520
these images expose spencer’s intimate

0:40:10.480,0:40:16.319
part body parts and displays his

0:40:13.520,0:40:19.200
genitals from the time he was an infant

0:40:16.319,0:40:21.599
to present day says his legal papers

0:40:19.200,0:40:24.640
that were filed in california

0:40:21.599,0:40:26.640
so non-sexualized photos of infants are

0:40:24.640,0:40:30.240
generally not considered child

0:40:26.640,0:40:32.880
pornography under u.s law however his

0:40:30.240,0:40:35.359
his attorney argues that

0:40:32.880,0:40:37.440
in the inclusion of the dollar bill

0:40:35.359,0:40:40.000
which was superimposed after the

0:40:37.440,0:40:44.160
photograph was taken makes the miner

0:40:40.000,0:40:46.720
seem like a quote-unquote sex worker

0:40:44.160,0:40:49.920
the legal case also alleges that nirvana

0:40:46.720,0:40:52.720
had promised to cover his genitals with

0:40:49.920,0:40:55.839
a sticker but the agreement was never

0:40:52.720,0:40:58.400
upheld eldon alleges that his true

0:40:55.839,0:41:01.839
identity and legal name are forever tied

0:40:58.400,0:41:04.400
to this commercial sexual exploitation

0:41:01.839,0:41:07.200
he experienced as a minor which has been

0:41:04.400,0:41:09.920
distributed and sold worldwide from the

0:41:07.200,0:41:12.160
time he was a baby to the present day he

0:41:09.920,0:41:15.440
claims that he has suffered and will

0:41:12.160,0:41:18.640
continue to suffer lifelong damages as a

0:41:15.440,0:41:21.200
result of the artwork including extreme

0:41:18.640,0:41:24.319
and permanent emotional distress

0:41:21.200,0:41:27.359
as well as interference with his normal

0:41:24.319,0:41:30.400
development and educational progress

0:41:27.359,0:41:34.240
and medical and psychological treatment

0:41:30.400,0:41:37.359
so he is now asking for damages for uh

0:41:34.240,0:41:38.640
of at least 150 000

0:41:37.359,0:41:42.000
from each

0:41:38.640,0:41:45.200
of the 15 defendants who include the two

0:41:42.000,0:41:48.319
surviving band members uh the managers

0:41:45.200,0:41:51.119
of kurt cobain’s estate cobain’s former

0:41:48.319,0:41:53.520
wife courtney love and the photographer

0:41:51.119,0:41:56.240
uh kirk well uh weedle uh

0:41:53.520,0:41:57.920
representatives for nirvana and the

0:41:56.240,0:42:00.800
their record label have not yet

0:41:57.920,0:42:03.359
responded to the claims uh elden has

0:42:00.800,0:42:06.000
recreated the album cover several times

0:42:03.359,0:42:07.680
as a teenager and adult always wearing

0:42:06.000,0:42:10.000
swimming trunks

0:42:07.680,0:42:13.440
to mark nevermind’s 10th

0:42:10.000,0:42:15.520
20th and 25th anniversaries however he

0:42:13.440,0:42:19.040
has sometimes expressed ambivalence

0:42:15.520,0:42:21.599
about the photo shoot so back in 2016 he

0:42:19.040,0:42:24.560
actually told time magazine that he got

0:42:21.599,0:42:25.760
a little upset about the notoriety as he

0:42:24.560,0:42:28.160
grew up

0:42:25.760,0:42:30.240
he said i just woke up already being a

0:42:28.160,0:42:32.480
part of this huge project it’s pretty

0:42:30.240,0:42:35.200
difficult you feel like you’re famous

0:42:32.480,0:42:36.960
for nothing it’s hard not to get upset

0:42:35.200,0:42:38.400
when you hear how much money was

0:42:36.960,0:42:40.480
involved

0:42:38.400,0:42:42.640
and then you go to a baseball game and

0:42:40.480,0:42:44.720
you think about it man everybody at this

0:42:42.640,0:42:46.240
game has probably seen my little baby

0:42:44.720,0:42:48.400
penis

0:42:46.240,0:42:51.359
and you kind of feel that you know his

0:42:48.400,0:42:54.560
human rights were were revoked but then

0:42:51.359,0:42:57.119
in under other interviews uh that he did

0:42:54.560,0:43:00.000
he was kind of more upbeat about the

0:42:57.119,0:43:02.079
image so at one point he had said it’s

0:43:00.000,0:43:04.319
always been a positive thing and opened

0:43:02.079,0:43:05.440
doors for me and this he had told

0:43:04.319,0:43:07.760
guardian

0:43:05.440,0:43:11.359
the guardian about six years ago he had

0:43:07.760,0:43:14.160
said i was 23 and an artist and it the

0:43:11.359,0:43:18.640
story actually gave me an opportunity to

0:43:14.160,0:43:20.880
work with uh shepard fairley uh for five

0:43:18.640,0:43:22.800
years and he was a huge music

0:43:20.880,0:43:25.119
connoisseur so when he heard that i was

0:43:22.800,0:43:28.400
the nirvana baby he thought it was

0:43:25.119,0:43:31.359
really cool and then back in 2008 his

0:43:28.400,0:43:34.560
father had recounted that the photo

0:43:31.359,0:43:36.079
shoot um for the photo shoot to us radio

0:43:34.560,0:43:39.119
network npr

0:43:36.079,0:43:41.920
uh that they were actually offered 200

0:43:39.119,0:43:44.880
by the photographer who was actually a

0:43:41.920,0:43:48.000
family friend and they basically had had

0:43:44.880,0:43:50.480
this huge pool party no one had any idea

0:43:48.000,0:43:52.400
what was going on and the family quickly

0:43:50.480,0:43:54.560
forgot about the photo shoot until three

0:43:52.400,0:43:58.319
months later when they saw the never

0:43:54.560,0:44:02.400
mind album cover blown up on the wall

0:43:58.319,0:44:05.599
of tower records in los angeles

0:44:02.400,0:44:07.599
two months after the npr article

0:44:05.599,0:44:10.400
griffin records had sent the

0:44:07.599,0:44:13.040
one-year-old spencer a platinum album

0:44:10.400,0:44:14.800
and a teddy bear um the album which

0:44:13.040,0:44:17.359
included the hits smells like teen

0:44:14.800,0:44:20.079
spirit come as you are and lithium went

0:44:17.359,0:44:21.359
to sell on 30 million copies around the

0:44:20.079,0:44:24.240
world

0:44:21.359,0:44:26.400
so i’m not a lawyer or

0:44:24.240,0:44:28.560
league i don’t play one on tv

0:44:26.400,0:44:29.760
nor do i play one on tv

0:44:28.560,0:44:32.160
uh but

0:44:29.760,0:44:34.079
i can’t help but think if you looked up

0:44:32.160,0:44:36.240
frivolous lawsuit in the dictionary this

0:44:34.079,0:44:38.960
guy’s face would be right next to it

0:44:36.240,0:44:40.319
right next to his baby penis

0:44:38.960,0:44:42.480
um

0:44:40.319,0:44:44.720
this is ridiculous because it was okay

0:44:42.480,0:44:46.640
for him to exploit his notoriety because

0:44:44.720,0:44:48.319
i’ll tell you

0:44:46.640,0:44:49.599
you have no idea who that baby is

0:44:48.319,0:44:51.359
absolutely

0:44:49.599,0:44:53.440
and you wouldn’t know anything about who

0:44:51.359,0:44:55.920
that baby is if he hadn’t exploited it

0:44:53.440,0:44:58.000
himself right so apparently the gravy

0:44:55.920,0:45:00.880
train has run out on his ability to

0:44:58.000,0:45:02.960
exploit this right so now

0:45:00.880,0:45:05.119
he’s going to complain about it and say

0:45:02.960,0:45:07.040
his rights were violated and try to get

0:45:05.119,0:45:08.960
more money out of it and that’s his next

0:45:07.040,0:45:12.480
phase of exploitation of this right

0:45:08.960,0:45:15.280
especially if you’ve never gone and

0:45:12.480,0:45:17.599
recreated this right but you did it

0:45:15.280,0:45:19.359
multiple times 10-year

0:45:17.599,0:45:21.280
20-year

0:45:19.359,0:45:23.119
just five years ago

0:45:21.280,0:45:24.560
on the 25th anniversary what happened

0:45:23.119,0:45:26.400
was he realized well you know i didn’t

0:45:24.560,0:45:28.000
get nearly as much money for the 25-year

0:45:26.400,0:45:29.440
one that i thought was going to get yeah

0:45:28.000,0:45:31.040
i’m not going to get anywhere near what

0:45:29.440,0:45:33.760
i want for the 30 years so let me sue

0:45:31.040,0:45:36.000
now right and i’m sorry but once you’ve

0:45:33.760,0:45:37.599
taken advantage of this and exploited it

0:45:36.000,0:45:39.440
and used it for your own gain you’ve

0:45:37.599,0:45:42.000
you’ve given up any right you have to

0:45:39.440,0:45:43.440
sue on it right right i think they

0:45:42.000,0:45:45.680
should go through with the lawsuit and

0:45:43.440,0:45:47.920
when he loses he should pay the

0:45:45.680,0:45:49.920
defendant’s legal fees

0:45:47.920,0:45:50.720
and this is why you need tort reform in

0:45:49.920,0:45:52.880
this

0:45:50.720,0:45:56.560
country so that you don’t have stupid

0:45:52.880,0:45:59.599
frivolous lawsuits like this yep

0:45:56.560,0:46:02.640
on to a sadder note yeah so continuing

0:45:59.599,0:46:06.720
with some music news but very sad music

0:46:02.640,0:46:09.040
news charlie watts the self uh effacing

0:46:06.720,0:46:11.520
and unshakable rolling stones drummer

0:46:09.040,0:46:14.480
who helped anchor one of rock’s greatest

0:46:11.520,0:46:17.040
rhythm sections and used his day job to

0:46:14.480,0:46:19.599
support his enduring love of jazz had

0:46:17.040,0:46:21.760
passed away according to his publicist

0:46:19.599,0:46:24.480
and he was 80 years old

0:46:21.760,0:46:26.880
his publicist said on tuesday that watts

0:46:24.480,0:46:29.040
passed away peacefully in a london

0:46:26.880,0:46:31.680
hospital hospital earlier today

0:46:29.040,0:46:34.480
surrounded by his family charlie was a

0:46:31.680,0:46:37.520
cherished husband father and grandfather

0:46:34.480,0:46:39.520
who also uh and was also a member of the

0:46:37.520,0:46:41.680
rolling stones one of the greatest

0:46:39.520,0:46:42.960
drummers of his generation

0:46:41.680,0:46:45.440
generation

0:46:42.960,0:46:48.640
watts had announced that he would not go

0:46:45.440,0:46:51.920
on the world tour in uh with the stones

0:46:48.640,0:46:52.800
in 2022 because of an undefined health

0:46:51.920,0:46:55.280
issue

0:46:52.800,0:46:57.920
the quiet elegantly dressed watts had

0:46:55.280,0:46:59.760
often ranked with keith moon ginger

0:46:57.920,0:47:02.079
baker and a handful of others as a

0:46:59.760,0:47:04.880
premier rock drummer

0:47:02.079,0:47:07.200
respected worldwide for his muscular

0:47:04.880,0:47:08.960
swinging style as the stones rose from

0:47:07.200,0:47:12.079
their scruffy beginnings to

0:47:08.960,0:47:15.680
international stardom he joined the band

0:47:12.079,0:47:18.319
early in 1963 and remained for nearly 60

0:47:15.680,0:47:20.559
years ranked just behind mick jagger and

0:47:18.319,0:47:23.440
keith richards as the group’s longest

0:47:20.559,0:47:26.720
lasting and most essential members he

0:47:23.440,0:47:29.200
stayed on and largely held to him uh

0:47:26.720,0:47:32.480
held himself apart through the drug

0:47:29.200,0:47:34.960
abuse creative clashes and ego wars that

0:47:32.480,0:47:36.160
helped kill founding member brian

0:47:34.960,0:47:39.440
jones

0:47:36.160,0:47:42.079
drove basis bill wyman and jos jones’s

0:47:39.440,0:47:44.800
replacement mick taylor to quit and

0:47:42.079,0:47:48.000
otherwise made being in the stones a

0:47:44.800,0:47:50.400
most exhausting job a classic stone song

0:47:48.000,0:47:52.800
like brown sugar and start me off

0:47:50.400,0:47:55.200
uh start me up often begin with a hard

0:47:52.800,0:47:58.400
guitar riff from richard with watts

0:47:55.200,0:48:00.960
slowly closing behind with wyman as the

0:47:58.400,0:48:02.079
bassist likely to say fattening up the

0:48:00.960,0:48:04.480
sound

0:48:02.079,0:48:06.480
watts’s speed power and time keeping

0:48:04.480,0:48:09.359
were never better showcased than during

0:48:06.480,0:48:11.920
the concert documentary shine a light

0:48:09.359,0:48:14.480
when director martin scorsese filmed

0:48:11.920,0:48:16.559
jumping jack flash from where he drummed

0:48:14.480,0:48:20.079
towards the back of the stage

0:48:16.559,0:48:22.640
the stones began watt said as black as

0:48:20.079,0:48:25.440
white blokes from england playing black

0:48:22.640,0:48:28.000
american music but quickly evolved their

0:48:25.440,0:48:29.920
own distinctive sound watts was actually

0:48:28.000,0:48:32.079
a jazz drummer in his early years and

0:48:29.920,0:48:33.440
never lost his affinity for the music he

0:48:32.079,0:48:35.520
first loved

0:48:33.440,0:48:37.839
heading his own jazz band and taking on

0:48:35.520,0:48:39.839
numerous side projects

0:48:37.839,0:48:43.839
um richard and

0:48:39.839,0:48:47.040
and jagger at times you know seemed to

0:48:43.839,0:48:50.079
admire him as both a man and a musician

0:48:47.040,0:48:52.559
um and richards has actually caught

0:48:50.079,0:48:55.680
called watts the key and often joked

0:48:52.559,0:48:58.160
that their uh affinity was so strong

0:48:55.680,0:49:00.559
that on stage he sometimes tried to

0:48:58.160,0:49:02.880
rattle him by suddenly changing the beat

0:49:00.559,0:49:04.880
only to have watts just kind of change

0:49:02.880,0:49:07.280
it back

0:49:04.880,0:49:09.480
watts also found refuge from the rock

0:49:07.280,0:49:12.480
life by marrying shirley anne shepard in

0:49:09.480,0:49:13.839
1964 and having a daughter seraphina

0:49:12.480,0:49:16.559
soon after

0:49:13.839,0:49:18.240
so while other famous rock star

0:49:16.559,0:49:20.480
marriages crumbled

0:49:18.240,0:49:22.960
they were together up until

0:49:20.480,0:49:25.920
his passing yeah

0:49:22.960,0:49:28.559
shane he was a he was a gentleman he was

0:49:25.920,0:49:31.119
a sharp dresser to talk about how he was

0:49:28.559,0:49:34.800
always fashion conscious yeah uh and he

0:49:31.119,0:49:36.960
was always so quiet yes in interviews

0:49:34.800,0:49:39.040
and on stage like he never

0:49:36.960,0:49:41.520
he was modest to the point that he never

0:49:39.040,0:49:44.000
tried to take you know the spotlight

0:49:41.520,0:49:45.920
from anybody yeah and he was very can he

0:49:44.000,0:49:47.440
knew how good he was everybody else knew

0:49:45.920,0:49:49.359
how good he was

0:49:47.440,0:49:51.200
and that was all he needed to know he

0:49:49.359,0:49:52.400
did not need to be a front man he did

0:49:51.200,0:49:54.240
not need to be

0:49:52.400,0:49:56.079
yeah you know that guy that was out

0:49:54.240,0:49:58.000
there strutting his stuff yeah and they

0:49:56.079,0:49:59.760
were talking about obviously you know

0:49:58.000,0:50:00.559
all the different radio stations have

0:49:59.760,0:50:02.960
been

0:50:00.559,0:50:04.800
talking about it you know the last two

0:50:02.960,0:50:05.680
days and stuff and they were basically

0:50:04.800,0:50:08.160
saying

0:50:05.680,0:50:08.880
you know he was one of a kind he he you

0:50:08.160,0:50:11.599
know

0:50:08.880,0:50:13.200
was a rock star for so long but yet

0:50:11.599,0:50:15.839
never really

0:50:13.200,0:50:18.000
lived it he settled down and he had his

0:50:15.839,0:50:20.400
wife he had his daughter he had his

0:50:18.000,0:50:21.920
granddaughter and that’s what he wanted

0:50:20.400,0:50:23.760
he didn’t need

0:50:21.920,0:50:25.599
to be crazy

0:50:23.760,0:50:27.359
always looking for the next clean home

0:50:25.599,0:50:29.359
when did he get home when could he spend

0:50:27.359,0:50:31.040
time with his family right right and

0:50:29.359,0:50:32.319
that’s that’s really a tribute to the

0:50:31.040,0:50:33.920
kind of man here

0:50:32.319,0:50:35.599
yeah

0:50:33.920,0:50:38.559
so it’s sad

0:50:35.599,0:50:40.559
we will we’ll miss his passing

0:50:38.559,0:50:42.640
so will gonna take a quick break we’ll

0:50:40.559,0:50:45.200
be right back with our insightful picks

0:50:42.640,0:50:45.200
of the week

0:50:46.570,0:50:51.200
[Applause]

0:50:48.880,0:50:53.760
go for your insightful pick so my

0:50:51.200,0:50:56.160
insightful pick this week is broadway

0:50:53.760,0:50:58.720
beyond the golden age

0:50:56.160,0:51:01.440
it is available on pbs uh it is

0:50:58.720,0:51:02.480
available through streaming and probably

0:51:01.440,0:51:04.800
if you

0:51:02.480,0:51:07.119
are interested and you look up pbs your

0:51:04.800,0:51:10.559
schedule it’s probably playing multiple

0:51:07.119,0:51:11.839
times it’s under the great performances

0:51:10.559,0:51:14.559
uh

0:51:11.839,0:51:18.480
header so broadway beyond the golden age

0:51:14.559,0:51:21.920
explores the world of broadway from 1959

0:51:18.480,0:51:24.800
through the early 1980s as recounted by

0:51:21.920,0:51:27.359
a diverse cast of broadway stars who

0:51:24.800,0:51:30.240
live through it creating a first-hand

0:51:27.359,0:51:32.640
archive of personal backstage stories

0:51:30.240,0:51:35.520
and memories it was written and directed

0:51:32.640,0:51:36.960
and produced by the late filmmaker rich

0:51:35.520,0:51:40.079
rick mckay

0:51:36.960,0:51:41.520
and hosted by two-time award tony

0:51:40.079,0:51:43.680
award-winning

0:51:41.520,0:51:45.280
tony award nominee

0:51:43.680,0:51:47.520
jonathan groff

0:51:45.280,0:51:51.200
the new documentary is a long-awaited

0:51:47.520,0:51:53.839
sequel to mckay’s award-winning 2003

0:51:51.200,0:51:56.720
film broadway the golden age by the

0:51:53.839,0:51:59.119
legends who were there

0:51:56.720,0:52:01.520
so this is a follow-up to

0:51:59.119,0:52:05.040
his um original

0:52:01.520,0:52:08.640
uh oral history of broadway which

0:52:05.040,0:52:12.079
included the 60s and 70s

0:52:08.640,0:52:14.160
so it spotlights um the broadway show

0:52:12.079,0:52:16.720
once upon a mattress

0:52:14.160,0:52:20.079
bye bye birdie barefoot in the park

0:52:16.720,0:52:23.520
pippin a chorus line ain’t misbehavin

0:52:20.079,0:52:26.000
chicago and 42nd street um so particular

0:52:23.520,0:52:29.040
focus is placed on famed directors and

0:52:26.000,0:52:32.400
choreographers like bob fosse and george

0:52:29.040,0:52:35.680
abbott and michael bennett um with you

0:52:32.400,0:52:37.480
know antidotes from 1959’s once upon a

0:52:35.680,0:52:40.000
mattress through

0:52:37.480,0:52:43.119
1983’s when a chorus line became the

0:52:40.000,0:52:46.240
longest running broadway show in history

0:52:43.119,0:52:49.359
and it features a galaxy of stars from

0:52:46.240,0:52:53.119
alec baldwin uh carol burnett glenn

0:52:49.359,0:52:55.440
close jane fonda uh robert goulet uh

0:52:53.119,0:52:58.400
liza minnelli cheetah rivera dick van

0:52:55.440,0:52:59.839
dyke benverene and and so many more and

0:52:58.400,0:53:03.359
what’s interesting is that they have

0:52:59.839,0:53:04.640
some very rare archival photos and also

0:53:03.359,0:53:08.000
never before

0:53:04.640,0:53:10.400
um footage that was shown from on stage

0:53:08.000,0:53:11.920
and off stage so you know they they talk

0:53:10.400,0:53:14.480
about what was really interesting was

0:53:11.920,0:53:16.640
how a chorus line came to be and they

0:53:14.480,0:53:18.640
had the original cast members and and

0:53:16.640,0:53:20.079
basically the idea kind of happened

0:53:18.640,0:53:22.160
because

0:53:20.079,0:53:24.000
dancers were always just kind of

0:53:22.160,0:53:26.160
something that went along with broadway

0:53:24.000,0:53:28.079
shows you know they were always the ones

0:53:26.160,0:53:30.160
that worked the hardest because they had

0:53:28.079,0:53:31.920
to learn all these routines and

0:53:30.160,0:53:34.559
basically got no

0:53:31.920,0:53:35.760
recognition so one night

0:53:34.559,0:53:38.240
this one

0:53:35.760,0:53:41.040
right this this one writer and director

0:53:38.240,0:53:42.960
kind of gathered up all these different

0:53:41.040,0:53:44.720
dancers from all these different shows

0:53:42.960,0:53:46.400
and kind of had a party

0:53:44.720,0:53:48.319
at his house and they kind of started at

0:53:46.400,0:53:50.960
like 11 o’clock at night

0:53:48.319,0:53:53.280
and it went until noon the next morning

0:53:50.960,0:53:55.520
and basically they were just telling

0:53:53.280,0:53:58.240
all their stories of how they became a

0:53:55.520,0:54:00.720
dancer what they were kind of

0:53:58.240,0:54:02.800
escaping from and and what their story

0:54:00.720,0:54:05.280
was of of going from one audition to

0:54:02.800,0:54:07.440
another and finally getting it and that

0:54:05.280,0:54:09.359
all became

0:54:07.440,0:54:11.359
what we know now as

0:54:09.359,0:54:13.680
the broadway show and what also became

0:54:11.359,0:54:14.480
the movie a chorus line and it and the

0:54:13.680,0:54:17.280
one

0:54:14.480,0:54:19.680
um dancer actually said if you look

0:54:17.280,0:54:20.800
through you know the notes from the

0:54:19.680,0:54:23.599
original

0:54:20.800,0:54:26.559
uh script from their party

0:54:23.599,0:54:28.720
his his dialogue is like word for word

0:54:26.559,0:54:30.480
it was his exact story

0:54:28.720,0:54:33.359
basically they just changed the the name

0:54:30.480,0:54:35.440
of the actor that was that was it um and

0:54:33.359,0:54:38.160
then it goes on that it just became such

0:54:35.440,0:54:40.799
a hit and that when they did finally

0:54:38.160,0:54:42.480
become the longest running show they did

0:54:40.799,0:54:46.079
a special performance where they brought

0:54:42.480,0:54:47.920
back everybody who had been in a chorus

0:54:46.079,0:54:49.440
line and

0:54:47.920,0:54:50.880
it was this like phenomenal

0:54:49.440,0:54:52.960
record-breaking

0:54:50.880,0:54:55.280
cast that they had so it was really cool

0:54:52.960,0:54:57.520
so if you’re interested in broadway

0:54:55.280,0:54:59.440
and you know seeing some of this

0:54:57.520,0:55:00.960
archival photo you know unfortunately

0:54:59.440,0:55:03.200
some of the actors have since passed

0:55:00.960,0:55:05.440
away but it’s great that their oral

0:55:03.200,0:55:08.240
history has been preserved and you you

0:55:05.440,0:55:10.319
have them talking about how their

0:55:08.240,0:55:12.400
experience was really kind of

0:55:10.319,0:55:15.200
fascinating to hear these backstories of

0:55:12.400,0:55:17.760
these beloved shows that you know have

0:55:15.200,0:55:19.630
have stood the test of time okay cool

0:55:17.760,0:55:23.760
thank you

0:55:19.630,0:55:25.760
[Applause]

0:55:23.760,0:55:29.200
so my pick this week like i said earlier

0:55:25.760,0:55:33.839
is kind of a little off the wall

0:55:29.200,0:55:36.319
this is a top secret ufo projects

0:55:33.839,0:55:38.880
it’s a six episode series on netflix

0:55:36.319,0:55:42.079
that features interviews with experts on

0:55:38.880,0:55:44.720
alien sightings and project blue book

0:55:42.079,0:55:47.680
the us air force’s investigation in the

0:55:44.720,0:55:50.400
ufos that went on from the early 1950s

0:55:47.680,0:55:52.240
to the late 1960s

0:55:50.400,0:55:54.640
produced in a documentary style the

0:55:52.240,0:55:56.240
series covers reported alien events in

0:55:54.640,0:55:58.720
thematic fashion

0:55:56.240,0:56:02.480
from supposedly unknown details from

0:55:58.720,0:56:04.880
project blue book to soviet secrets

0:56:02.480,0:56:07.760
using new account news accounts

0:56:04.880,0:56:10.400
witness testimony subject matter experts

0:56:07.760,0:56:12.799
leaked documentation and dramatic

0:56:10.400,0:56:15.599
recreations the show attempts to depict

0:56:12.799,0:56:18.799
various accounts of extraterrestrial

0:56:15.599,0:56:20.640
encounters over the six part series

0:56:18.799,0:56:23.680
personally i consider myself an

0:56:20.640,0:56:25.599
optimistic skeptic when it comes to ufos

0:56:23.680,0:56:27.839
i don’t generally consume these types of

0:56:25.599,0:56:29.359
programs to feed some search for truth

0:56:27.839,0:56:31.520
or revelation

0:56:29.359,0:56:33.920
instead i enjoy picking out the cultural

0:56:31.520,0:56:35.520
references historical data and general

0:56:33.920,0:56:38.640
state of mind of the individuals

0:56:35.520,0:56:40.000
involved in these types of accounts

0:56:38.640,0:56:42.319
the interesting thing is these

0:56:40.000,0:56:45.200
investigations did happen

0:56:42.319,0:56:47.520
whether or not ufos were found or aliens

0:56:45.200,0:56:48.799
were found or any of the conclusions

0:56:47.520,0:56:50.799
that are drawn

0:56:48.799,0:56:53.040
within the documentation of the

0:56:50.799,0:56:54.720
documentary itself um

0:56:53.040,0:56:57.359
actually happened

0:56:54.720,0:57:01.680
you know i leave that to the viewer

0:56:57.359,0:57:04.880
but i enjoy the historical aspect of

0:57:01.680,0:57:06.640
the u.s air force devoting resources to

0:57:04.880,0:57:08.640
researching these things

0:57:06.640,0:57:10.480
and to a certain extent

0:57:08.640,0:57:12.480
they don’t necessarily research it from

0:57:10.480,0:57:14.319
the perspective of are they aliens as

0:57:12.480,0:57:15.280
much as they research it from the effect

0:57:14.319,0:57:18.079
of

0:57:15.280,0:57:20.960
is there a threat to national security

0:57:18.079,0:57:21.760
you know all during the cold war

0:57:20.960,0:57:24.079
the

0:57:21.760,0:57:26.559
speculation was okay well are the

0:57:24.079,0:57:28.160
russians developing technology that are

0:57:26.559,0:57:30.400
is capable

0:57:28.160,0:57:31.440
of performing the way these observations

0:57:30.400,0:57:34.880
are

0:57:31.440,0:57:36.079
and the the army then goes in and says

0:57:34.880,0:57:37.839
okay well

0:57:36.079,0:57:39.920
a lot of these incidents are focused

0:57:37.839,0:57:41.119
over nuclear sites so that’s a national

0:57:39.920,0:57:42.880
security

0:57:41.119,0:57:45.280
uh issue there

0:57:42.880,0:57:47.440
so there was a lot of things and and

0:57:45.280,0:57:48.880
information came out from

0:57:47.440,0:57:50.480
uh released

0:57:48.880,0:57:52.240
russian documents

0:57:50.480,0:57:54.640
that the soviet union didn’t try to

0:57:52.240,0:57:57.359
capitalize to a certain extent on the

0:57:54.640,0:57:59.760
alien ufo scare

0:57:57.359,0:58:01.760
to try to cause mass hysteria in the u.s

0:57:59.760,0:58:04.480
for tactical advantage

0:58:01.760,0:58:07.359
so a lot of the stuff that’s that’s out

0:58:04.480,0:58:08.960
there is factual information

0:58:07.359,0:58:10.720
how it’s interpreted and what your

0:58:08.960,0:58:12.720
conclusions are

0:58:10.720,0:58:15.920
are subjective

0:58:12.720,0:58:19.359
so top secret ufo projects declassify

0:58:15.920,0:58:23.000
the six part series available on netflix

0:58:19.359,0:58:23.000
and we’ll be right back

0:58:23.680,0:58:27.680
[Applause]

0:58:26.000,0:58:29.280
so we’re running up against the clock on

0:58:27.680,0:58:31.599
this one here but we do have some

0:58:29.280,0:58:35.359
afterthoughts to give you what do we got

0:58:31.599,0:58:37.520
sure so we have a september 11th uh free

0:58:35.359,0:58:40.000
toy show which will be at carnival of

0:58:37.520,0:58:42.000
collectibles which is in sicklerville

0:58:40.000,0:58:43.599
also hosted by

0:58:42.000,0:58:47.680
toy show

0:58:43.599,0:58:49.839
toy shows.org is the delaware train show

0:58:47.680,0:58:52.880
which will be october 9th the

0:58:49.839,0:58:55.040
oktoberfest toy show which is october

0:58:52.880,0:58:58.720
10th those are held in newcastle

0:58:55.040,0:59:01.520
delaware then we have retro con which

0:58:58.720,0:59:04.240
will be september 25th and 26th at the

0:59:01.520,0:59:06.880
greater philadelphia expo center also

0:59:04.240,0:59:09.760
that weekend in hunts valley

0:59:06.880,0:59:13.280
uh hunt valley maryland is monster media

0:59:09.760,0:59:17.520
47 then a month later is monster mania

0:59:13.280,0:59:20.720
48 which will be at oaks pennsylvania um

0:59:17.520,0:59:22.720
october 22nd through the 24th

0:59:20.720,0:59:25.040
then the beginning of october at the

0:59:22.720,0:59:26.480
greater philadelphia expo center is

0:59:25.040,0:59:27.680
brickfest

0:59:26.480,0:59:29.680
okay

0:59:27.680,0:59:32.640
i think that’s all we had

0:59:29.680,0:59:34.400
uh before we go i do want to employ i

0:59:32.640,0:59:35.760
just really went crazy with that shot

0:59:34.400,0:59:37.520
you’re like

0:59:35.760,0:59:40.720
okay

0:59:37.520,0:59:42.799
before we go i do want to uh

0:59:40.720,0:59:44.960
once again invite our audience to

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